Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

price690

Cathy.C wrote: »

Good interview earlier.

Favourite comment: "[Conor] got boxed up, he didn't get tapped out - he got beat up".

For anyone that missed it live..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP1B0sSW704

Who was the sparring partner of Conor's that Nate said (at 23m30s) he should go and 'beat his ass' for talking s*** about him?

Didn't get who he was referring to there. Anyone know who that was and also what it was that the guy said?

I'd imagine it was Chris Van Heerden, Mc Gregor was sparring with him apparently. This is clearly prep for Nate Diaz because Van Heerden is about as far removed from Mayweather as you can get. Solid pro though.

Subcomandante Marcos

price690 wrote: »

I'd imagine it was Chris Van Heerden, Mc Gregor was sparring with him apparently. This is clearly prep for Nate Diaz because Van Heerden is about as far removed from Mayweather as you can get. Solid pro though.

Conor only started sparing with Van Heerden about 10 days ago since he got to L.A.

Subcomandante Marcos

Depp wrote: »

never said hed win, just think saying hes a 'novice level boxer' is a bit ridiculous, he never beats floyd without unbelieveable luck but saying floyd knocks him out easily like some randomer off the street is a bit silly

Compared to an elite professional, Conor is a novice boxer.

price690

Depp wrote: »

never said hed win, just think saying hes a 'novice level boxer' is a bit ridiculous, he never beats floyd without unbelieveable luck but saying floyd knocks him out easily like some randomer off the street is a bit silly

He is a novice at that level though, don't see how its such an outlandish statement. Just like Mayweather would be finished inside the octagon.

He does better than a randomer off the street sure, but thats not the highest of praise. Its a fight against a professional boxer in a boxing ring!

Mayweather would see it as a sparring session seriously. Like James Toney got destroyed when he tried to do something he had no business doing in MMA.

price690

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Conor only started sparing with Van Heerden about 10 days ago since he got to L.A.

I didn't hear the interview to be honest, was it a sparring story previous to this week then?

If McGregor wanted good stand up prep for Diaz then Antonio Margarito would be a proper shout Hes definately the boxing equivalent of Nate Diaz, tall, keeps coming forward, great chin and accumulation puncher.

Hopefully leaves the plaster of paris at home though

Subcomandante Marcos

price690 wrote: »

I didn't hear the interview to be honest, was it a sparring story previous to this week then?

If McGregor wanted good stand up prep for Diaz then Antonio Margarito would be a proper shout Hes definately the boxing equivalent of Nate Diaz, tall, keeps coming forward, great chin and accumulation puncher.

Hopefully leaves the plaster of paris at home though

Chris is basically the "resident pro" and Box'n'Burn, Conor has been training there since he got to L.A. just over a week ago, I don't know that he ever sparred with him before, but he's not a regular sparring partner.

Subcomandante Marcos

price690 wrote: »

I'd imagine it was Chris Van Heerden, Mc Gregor was sparring with him apparently. This is clearly prep for Nate Diaz because Van Heerden is about as far removed from Mayweather as you can get. Solid pro though.

Just listened to this back again, apparently Conor was sparring with someone from Freddie Roach's camp and that guy was talking crap about Conor the other week on Twitter.

Mellor

pone2012 wrote: »

I dont think Conor gave up that much of an advantage..i mean his walk around weight is very close....i just think Diaz is the better fighter (personally)

His walk around weight was pretty close to the 170 lbs limits. Nate's wasn't.

price690 wrote: »

Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo (twice-one being his most contentious win), prime Demarcus Corley, Arturo Gatti, Zab Judah, De La Hoya (at 154), Ricky Hatton (who was unbeaten), Juan Manuel Marquez, Miguel Cotto, Maidana twice, Saul Alvarez (again at 154). The guy has a superb resume like it or not.

Those are elite fighters of course. But they make up less than half of his 30 title fights. I also never said he hasn't fought elite guys .
I was referencing the fact that he is extremely particular about the conditions of the fight. Even down to dictating the brands of gloves that Maidana was allowed to wear. Look how lone Pac-Man terms took to agree.

Conor stepping up to fight nate diaz is not akin to Mayweather stepping up to fight GGG. Its more akin to Floyd stepping up to middleweight to fight the likes of Billy Joe Saunders or Matthew Macklin in all honesty. Diaz isn't even a top lightweight never mind welterweight.

I'm aware that Diaz isn't at the top of the pile in the same way GGG is. But 145 to 170 is twice the jump that Mayweather would be making to face GGG at middleweight.

An equivalent jump for Mayweather would be to face George Groves, or Andre Ward, at 172 (halfway between supermiddle and lightheavy).
Which would never happen. Not even against a journey man.

To be clear, I'm just illustrating how they are two fighters in two differnet sports. Their records are comparable.

price690 wrote: »

Mayweather for all of his detractors can barely pack on enough pounds to hit 150lbs even when fighting at light middleweight?

He may have struggle in the past (De La Hoya fight). But not any more.

He got a TUE for an IV drip after his 147lb fight with Pacquio. He was definitely >150 in that fight.

And hes ducking a guy who will more than likely end up fighting super middleweights and light heavyweights in time? He will fight Andre Ward and Sergey Kovalev somewhere down the line.

Is McGregor ducking Robbie Lawlor? He probably would give it a crack in fairness to him but if he didn't fancy it would you consider that ducking him?

As above, you are comparing different weight jumps.
McGregor jumping to fight Lawor would be close to Mayweather fighting Sergey Kovalev.
Mayweather to GGG, is about the same as the UFC featherweight champ jumping up to face the lightweight champ, RDA. Which was the plan.

As much as I'd love to see it, I'm not suggesting that Mayweather is ducking GGG. This is just another example of the differences between the two sports. And the records they produce.

TheNap

Mellor wrote: »

His walk around weight was pretty close to the 170 lbs limits. Nate's wasn't.


Those are elite fighters of course. But they make up less than half of his 30 title fights. I also never said he hasn't fought elite guys .
I was referencing the fact that he is extremely particular about the conditions of the fight. Even down to dictating the brands of gloves that Maidana was allowed to wear. Look how lone Pac-Man terms took to agree.


I'm aware that Diaz isn't at the top of the pile in the same way GGG is. But 145 to 170 is twice the jump that Mayweather would be making to face GGG at middleweight.

An equivalent jump for Mayweather would be to face George Groves, or Andre Ward, at 172 (halfway between supermiddle and lightheavy).
Which would never happen. Not even against a journey man.

To be clear, I'm just illustrating how they are two fighters in two differnet sports. Their records are comparable.


He may have struggle in the past (De La Hoya fight). But not any more.

He got a TUE for an IV drip after his 147lb fight with Pacquio. He was definitely >150 in that fight.



As above, you are comparing different weight jumps.
McGregor jumping to fight Lawor would be close to Mayweather fighting Sergey Kovalev.
Mayweather to GGG, is about the same as the UFC featherweight champ jumping up to face the lightweight champ, RDA. Which was the plan.

As much as I'd love to see it, I'm not suggesting that Mayweather is ducking GGG. This is just another example of the differences between the two sports. And the records they produce.

Disagree . Mayweathers walk around weight is around 150lbs . McGregor close to 170lbs. So the comparisons are incorrect.

Gamebred

McNugget would be out boxed by Katie Taylor never mind Mayweather he doesnt even possess a jab...

ASOT

Gamebred wrote: »

McNugget would be out boxed by Katie Taylor never mind Mayweather he doesnt even possess a jab...

The prodigal son returns.

Saipanne

Mods, any chance of a separate "Mayweather rumours" thread?

dashoonage

Saipanne wrote: »

Mods, any chance of a separate "Mayweather rumours" thread?

I suggested this ages ago... two eltappo threads

One for fans who only care about the fighting...

one for touchbutt fanatics who only care about his twitter account...

dashoonage

Oh and please close this one and banish it to the wastelands

Spudman_20000

Cathy.C wrote: »

Good interview earlier.

Favourite comment: "[Conor] got boxed up, he didn't get tapped out - he got beat up".

For anyone that missed it live..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP1B0sSW704

Some good points made by Nate yesterday, but I would call the whole thing more of a rant than an interview.

I get that Ariel has been left out in the cold by Fox, but jezzzus at least rebuff some of Nate's points or challenge him on some of his statements. Far too much fawning over his guest for my liking. A good interviewer shouldn't be afraid to do this.

Mellor

TheNap wrote: »

Disagree . Mayweathers walk around weight is around 150lbs . McGregor close to 170lbs. So the comparisons are incorrect.

Mayweather is <150lbs as evident by the IV.

But how does that make anything I said incorrect. I never said they were the same size.

Devastator

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Some good points made by Nate yesterday, but I would call the whole thing more of a rant than an interview.

I get that Ariel has been left out in the cold by Fox, but jezzzus at least rebuff some of Nate's points or challenge him on some of his statements. Far too much fawning over his guest for my liking. A good interviewer shouldn't be afraid to do this.

careful now! The way some people talk about Ariel on this forum they'll call that blasphemy! I agree with you though, he does my head in at times. I quite like the mma hour but ffs stop talking balls about DJ washing his fence or other equally as irrelevant nonsense.

There were a few funny comments from Diaz during the interview but as with any interview you hear with him its difficult to follow what he's talking about, he even admits himself a few times about rambling. Liked the part when he says McGregor would be embarrassed in boxing against Mayweather BUT Mayweather would be more embarrassed fighting McGregor in MMA. He seemed to catch on that it was nearly verging on a compliment to McG and kinda backtracked then sorta mumbled any boxer would be embarrassed in a MMA fight :pac:

Subcomandante Marcos

Mellor wrote: »

Mayweather is <150lbs as evident by the IV.

But how does that make anything I said incorrect. I never said they were the same size.

He was 150.5 when he weighed in 30 days out from the Pacquiao fight.

On the 24th of February Conor was walking around at 177.

Lukker-

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Some good points made by Nate yesterday, but I would call the whole thing more of a rant than an interview.

I get that Ariel has been left out in the cold by Fox, but jezzzus at least rebuff some of Nate's points or challenge him on some of his statements. Far too much fawning over his guest for my liking. A good interviewer shouldn't be afraid to do this.

That's always been his style. When you are talking to someone as incoherent as Nate he's going to ramble, interviewers job to steer him in the right direction, which he does Imo.

Gamebred

Interesting when he was on about a boxer mcgregor had been doing some sparring with in L.A was talking **** about him and that Conor should go down to the gym and whoop him :pac:

Presume its this south african southpaw he done some boxing with,seen an interview where he was sounding a bit cocky saying I only stepped off the plane before sparring him and still schooled him he was making out.

Mellor

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

He was 150.5 when he weighed in 30 days out from the Pacquiao fight.

A random weigh-in means nothing though. Had he trained that day, what had he eaten, what had he drank.
I'd regularly swing by 5lbs in a day.

He weighed in at 146 or 147 on the Friday. He used an IV to rehydrate that night. Beyond that I do t think there's any other info.


Regardless, I don't see where that's relevant to what I said. MMA fighters cut more than boxers, the comparisons in my post allow for that.

lougal88

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Mellor wrote: »

Mayweather is <150lbs as evident by the IV.

But how does that make anything I said incorrect. I never said they were the same size.

He was 150.5 when he weighed in 30 days out from the Pacquiao fight.

On the 24th of February Conor was walking around at 177.

What was the source for his 177 weight? I assumed he didn't really cut much weight for the Diaz fight.

If he's at 170-180lbs now then he should vacate that FW belt.

DeVore

Anyone else get the feeling Conor is never going to defend that belt?

Nate and he are hard pressed to agree terms with UFC (there isn't enough pie to go around for all the egos involved) and the whole thing seemed stalled. He is messing around with Mayweather rumours (which will never ever come to pass imho). He has had a horrific cut to 145 before and now seems to want to fight at higher weights to avoid that cut plus who knows if he can even make the cut now that he is training for a 170 fight! Fat and water can be cut, muscle is harder!

If Conor wins against Nate he's not going to go straight back to 145 and defend against Edgar\Aldo imho... I think he will say "feck it, let them have it" and demand a shot at the 155 strap.

If he loses God knows what happens. Maybe he gets some humility and stops this messing about or maybe he walks away from the sport. On one hand he says he needs to get away from the media spotlight and get his head straight and his training on track, on the other hand he's messing with this Mayweather nonsense.

Gamebred

If Aldo beats frankie hes not going back to 145 imo,I can see him figting Edgar in NY if he gets past Aldo to say he cleared out the division,Jose wins he has nothing to prove ko'd him already no point cutting for a rematch he will think.

Lukker-

168 has been Conors fight weight for a little while now according to George Lockhart.

He has shed some muscle and body fat since the Diaz fight so I think he is eyeing one last FW fight.

Edgar will beat Aldo and they will fight in MSG imo.

califano

DeVore wrote: »

Anyone else get the feeling Conor is never going to defend that belt?

Nate and he are hard pressed to agree terms with UFC (there isn't enough pie to go around for all the egos involved) and the whole thing seemed stalled. He is messing around with Mayweather rumours (which will never ever come to pass imho). He has had a horrific cut to 145 before and now seems to want to fight at higher weights to avoid that cut plus who knows if he can even make the cut now that he is training for a 170 fight! Fat and water can be cut, muscle is harder!

If Conor wins against Nate he's not going to go straight back to 145 and defend against Edgar\Aldo imho... I think he will say "feck it, let them have it" and demand a shot at the 155 strap.

If he loses God knows what happens. Maybe he gets some humility and stops this messing about or maybe he walks away from the sport. On one hand he says he needs to get away from the media spotlight and get his head straight and his training on track, on the other hand he's messing with this Mayweather nonsense.

Totally agree. Ive been feeling the same for a while that hes never going to defend the belt as its too hard now and he hates now more than ever not to feel weakened. I think he prefers to be at a disadvantage of a higher weight and feeling strong.
Also think he may not ever get down that low again.

Saipanne

I think 155 is the right division for his build. 145 is too tough a cut, and he's nearly cleared it out anyway. If Frankie wants him, jump to 155. 170 is too big, imagine him against Lawlor.

155 is right. Beast of a division though!

DeVore

The thing is that McGregor vs the 145'ers is at a big advantage. He can muscle them around in the clinch/grapple. He doesn't have to worry too much about their knock out power (theres not much there) and he has the bigger reach, always. At 155, he might be in danger of being... well, average.... :^/

I think he should have stayed at 145 and defended his title, this business with Diaz is a silly distraction and Mayweather is simply cuckoo land.

I want to see McGregor back at 145, beating everyone there and sitting on his throne. But I don't think that's his plan...

Lukker-

DeVore wrote: »

The thing is that McGregor vs the 145'ers is at a big advantage. He can muscle them around in the clinch/grapple. He doesn't have to worry too much about their knock out power (theres not much there) and he has the bigger reach, always. At 155, he might be in danger of being... well, average.... :^/

I think he should have stayed at 145 and defended his title, this business with Diaz is a silly distraction and Mayweather is simply cuckoo land.

I want to see McGregor back at 145, beating everyone there and sitting on his throne. But I don't think that's his plan...

He shouldn't let fear dictate his decision. 155 is his division long term, even if he isn't the champion it is where he will develop as a fighter most. He needs some genuine wars to show he has the heart of a champion, that is how fighters are made. It's all well and good blowing 145ers out of the water with his power but that doesn't exactly translate well to fighting people his own weight or heavier as we have seen with Diaz.

He has all the tools to be a top 5 155er, even a champion if he can improve certain aspects.

If he continued cutting to 145 that could eventually kill him.

newbbieb

Lukker- wrote: »

He shouldn't let fear dictate his decision. 155 is his division long term, even if he isn't the champion it is where he will develop as a fighter most. He needs some genuine wars to show he has the heart of a champion, that is how fighters are made. It's all well and good blowing 145ers out of the water with his power but that doesn't exactly translate well to fighting people his own weight or heavier as we have seen with Diaz.

He has all the tools to be a top 5 155er, even a champion if he can improve certain aspects.

If he continued cutting to 145 that could eventually kill him.

Given the stumbling block for this fight i would like to see him fight the Frankie/Aldo winner and should he win then make the Nate rematch as a title eliminator at 55,to me thats the move to make here.

The rematch is a lot more winnable at 155 than at 170,and it puts that RDA or whoever is LW champion at the time,superfight back on the table and his shot at getting the two belts again should he win his next two and i think in that order Frankie/Aldo at 45 followed by Diaz at 55 are both very winnable fights for Conor.