Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

CSF

Tigger wrote: »

frankie aldo is the biggest that could be with Conor at 170

It is, but it's not the biggest that could be in general, and no fight is. Nothing marquee about it, just a standard enough card with a couple of good fights.

Wrongway1985

CSF wrote: »

It's not Conor's fault that the rest of the card isn't up to scratch.

It was a presser for the fight week not UFC 200

I'm not sure what's the bigger problem people were primed for some fantasy sh1t or that Conor isn't competing at 200.

UFC 200 is stacked bar the chap fighting Sage Northcutt all the other fighters are fairly profile.

When McG/Diaz 2 was announced initially it was met with bafflement (including from myself) what?,this headlines 200 etc etc. People warmed to it including myself then now it's pulled it's the worst thing ever seriously?

Given how the last fight went Aldo/Edgar is the one I'm looking forward to the most, Sanchez Luazon should be a cracker and prob won't make the main card!

Faugheen

If I'm the CEO of a company, and my best sales rep is making me millions, I would reward him with more money, bonuses etc because his track record deserves it.

However, that same sales rep has a contract to turn up to work and do his job. If there's a big sales pitch to a potentially huge new client, I'd expect him there to deliver it, not call me and say 'Nah you know what I've made you a sh*t ton of money, get one of the others to do it while I take a day off' then it's not going to wash either, because it makes me look weak, and he'd get to call the shots.

McGregor makes more money for the UFC than any other fighter and, in return, he makes more money himself than any other fighter. When he signed up to the fight, he signed up to all the promotional work that comes with it. That's what a contract is, and nobody should be allowed to just back out of a signed, sealed and delivered contract so they can do their own thing.

Also, let's not pretend this isn't about Conor's ego. It absolutely is. If he was there yesterday, he would have heard Nate tell him he 'got his ass beat' and what could he say in return? Nothing. He would have been able to have the pops at RDA and Aldo, but realistically he couldn't say anything to affect Diaz.

On a sidenote, I thought Diaz was excellent in the presser yesterday, and not for the comment about beating McGregor. I thought the curveball he threw about only wanting to fight McGregor and nobody else, and the going on vacation thing was hilarious and totally caught Dana by surprise.

The whole thing is a mess, but it would have been easily resolved if McGregor does his job.

Augme

CSF wrote: »

It's not Conor's fault that the rest of the card isn't up to scratch.

The rest of the card seems pretty solid. Obviously losing one of the biggest fights on it, because of Conor, has now weakened it a lot. If any event lots it headline fight it wouldn't be up to scratch. Hence why they'll get a replacement.

CSF wrote: »

It's a good fight, but a marquee event like this needs some 1st vs 2nd in the division title fights IMO.

McGregor vs Diaz isn't 1st vs 2nd in the 170 division.

XsApollo

JustTheOne wrote: »

What questions is there in his run to the title?

Mendes no camp?
And one punch knockout of Aldo are questions in my eyes.
Yea the punch was beautiful but can happen to anybody.

Tigger

XsApollo wrote: »

Mendes no camp?
And one punch knockout of Aldo are questions in my eyes.
Yea the punch was beautiful but can happen to anybody.

what other ufc champ lot their belt with one punch?

XsApollo

mdwexford wrote: »

What do you lot be on about, moving up and winning the 155 belt and vacating the 145 belt would have been a pussy move?

It would have been the exact opposite of that.

Great champions take on the biggest fights and fight anyone anywhere anytime. Which is what Conor has always done.

There is only one man at 145 who deserves a crack at Conor. Everyone else got their chance.

Well what I meant to get across there was that I don't I think he ever had any intention of defending the 145 belt.
Win it and run which is the pussy move.

But if he wins at 155 then it's all good.
I'm not doubting that.

XsApollo

Tigger wrote: »

what other ufc champ lot their belt with one punch?

I understand that.
It was a lovely punch .but there is always the question Mark over it don't you think?

Depp

XsApollo wrote: »

I understand that.
It was a lovely punch .but there is always the question Mark over it don't you think?

wouldnt agree with that, takes an awful lot of skill and accuracy to land a punch on a rushing opponent like that and if aldo was as much better than conor as people let on conor wouldnt have got near him

JustTheOne

XsApollo wrote: »

I understand that.
It was a lovely punch .but there is always the question Mark over it don't you think?

Doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile.

He defeated the undefeated champion.

There is nothing else to say.

froog

XsApollo wrote: »

Mendes no camp?
And one punch knockout of Aldo are questions in my eyes.
Yea the punch was beautiful but can happen to anybody.

how does that work exactly? he takes longer to beat him it's more impressive??

as conor said, that exchange (aldo leaving himself exposed, conor knocking him out) would have happened at some stage in the fight, it just happened at the start of the fight.

eddie73

Beating Aldo with one punch, in 5 rounds or with a submission/whatever is all incidental to the fact that he beat him. The biggest testimony to this win was the opinions of all the top ufc fighters about his win or his chances before the Aldo fight. Most knew or at least strongly felt that Conor would win it and beat aldo well. It was neither a fluke nor a fix. Nor was it dubious nor controversial. You can love or hate McGregor, but he won that fight as if all the stars were lined up perfectly on that evening for him to do it.

The difficulty now is that he has left himself a very hard act to follow. A 13 second knock out for a title fight, followed by a submission at the hands of Nate Diaz is a weird, weird series of results to get traction from. The best thing that could happen Conor McGregor is that he fights someone and it goes 5 rounds and he wins. At least twice. If he is going to be fighting in 155 or above then this is much more likely to happen

jigglypuffstuff

Faugheen wrote: »

If I'm the CEO of a company, and my best sales rep is making me millions, I would reward him with more money, bonuses etc because his track record deserves it.

However, that same sales rep has a contract to turn up to work and do his job. If there's a big sales pitch to a potentially huge new client, I'd expect him there to deliver it, not call me and say 'Nah you know what I've made you a sh*t ton of money, get one of the others to do it while I take a day off' then it's not going to wash either, because it makes me look weak, and he'd get to call the shots.

McGregor makes more money for the UFC than any other fighter and, in return, he makes more money himself than any other fighter. When he signed up to the fight, he signed up to all the promotional work that comes with it. That's what a contract is, and nobody should be allowed to just back out of a signed, sealed and delivered contract so they can do their own thing.

Also, let's not pretend this isn't about Conor's ego. It absolutely is. If he was there yesterday, he would have heard Nate tell him he 'got his ass beat' and what could he say in return? Nothing. He would have been able to have the pops at RDA and Aldo, but realistically he couldn't say anything to affect Diaz.

On a sidenote, I thought Diaz was excellent in the presser yesterday, and not for the comment about beating McGregor. I thought the curveball he threw about only wanting to fight McGregor and nobody else, and the going on vacation thing was hilarious and totally caught Dana by surprise.

The whole thing is a mess, but it would have been easily resolved if McGregor does his job.

This is the most accurate description of the situation ive seen , 100%

Tigger

the funeral of Joao Carvalho was yesterday I wonder if its connected
http://www.record.xl.pt/modalidades/desportos-de-combate/detalhe/funeral-de-joao-carvalho-realizou-se-esta-sexta-feira.html

Gamb!t

I wonder would he have done the press conference had he beaten Diaz ?

weldoninhio

mdwexford wrote: »

What do you lot be on about, moving up and winning the 155 belt and vacating the 145 belt would have been a pussy move?

It would have been the exact opposite of that.

Great champions take on the biggest fights and fight anyone anywhere anytime. Which is what Conor has always done.

There is only one man at 145 who deserves a crack at Conor. Everyone else got their chance.

Everyone else got their chance??? What top ten 145 fighters got a full camp and a chance to fight him?? Aldo and ........................ He's proven nothing at 145.

weldoninhio

Depp wrote: »

wouldnt agree with that, takes an awful lot of skill and accuracy to land a punch on a rushing opponent like that and if aldo was as much better than conor as people let on conor wouldnt have got near him

Did you think Hasan Rahman was a worthy world champion when he caught Lewis with a big punch to ko him??

Tigger

weldoninhio wrote: »

Everyone else got their chance??? What top ten 145 fighters got a full camp and a chance to fight him?? Aldo and ........................ He's proven nothing at 145.

Dustin Poirier and Max Holloway both had full camps #10 lw and #4 fw respectively

weldoninhio

Tigger wrote: »

Dustin Poirier and Max Holloway both had full camps #10 lw and #4 fw respectively

Where were they ranked when they fought McGregor??

Edit: I see Poirier was ranked 5th. Holloway wasn't in the top 10. So he had one full camp fight against a top 10 ranked fighter before he got a title shot. And has fought no one since. His spiel about "dominating" that division is farcical.

Depp

weldoninhio wrote: »

Did you think Hasan Rahman was a worthy world champion when he caught Lewis with a big punch to ko him??

what?!

Saipanne

weldoninhio wrote: »

Everyone else got their chance??? What top ten 145 fighters got a full camp and a chance to fight him?? Aldo and ........................ He's proven nothing at 145.

You gotta love the logic of haters.

Before 194: "Aldo is the goat, p4p number 1. McGregor is really facing a true legend."

After:

"Lucky punch... Beating him proves nothing... Not Aldo in his prime..."


Excuse after excuse after excuse. Pathetic.

overpronator

Denis Siver and Porier were top 10 fighters when Mcgregor stopped both comfortably. Not sure about Holloway. To say he proved nothing at 145 is ludicrous and revisionism of the highest order. I also love how people dismiss the Aldo result, listen to anf UFC fighter talk about that result and you will see how impressive it was.

Some people are so bitter towards Mcgregor that they cant even bring themselves to him any credit, its pretty sad and wierd.

weldoninhio

Depp wrote: »

what?!

Rahman was a nobody who ko'ed heavyweight champion Lewis. One punch means nothing.

Now maybe he'd batter Aldo around the ring if the fight had lasted longer, but the question is still there. Was it a lucky punch?

Saipanne

weldoninhio wrote: »

Rahman was a nobody who ko'ed heavyweight champion Lewis. One punch means nothing.

Now maybe he'd batter Aldo around the ring if the fight had lasted longer, but the question is still there. Was it a lucky punch?

It's not luck when you describe in minute detail, EXACTLY how you are going to win and then you go on fulfill your own prophecy.

weldoninhio

overpronator wrote: »

Denis Siver and Porier were top 10 fighters when Mcgregor stopped both comfortably. Not sure about Holloway. To say he proved nothing at 145 is ludicrous and revisionism of the highest order. I also love how people dismiss the Aldo result, listen to anf UFC fighter talk about that result and you will see how impressive it was.

Some people are so bitter towards Mcgregor that they cant even bring themselves to him any credit, its pretty sad and wierd.

Siver was ranked #12 when he fought McGregor. So my factual point stands. He fought one top ten fighter with a full camp before he got a title show. And he's fought none since.

J Mysterio

J Mysterio wrote: »

He'll need a bit of mental toughness now and his teams support.

I'd say both the UFC and Kavanagh have let him down recently in...

I think these are the key to Conor's next steps: it's not obvious that he is getting enough good/smart support. Really hope he is; last few years of his life have been crazy town. He's smart and driven; hope he knows how to really look after himself and his personal and business interests.

Swashbuckler

weldoninhio wrote: »

Siver was ranked #12 when he fought McGregor. So my factual point stands. He fought one top ten fighter with a full camp before he got a title show. And he's fought none since.

He has fought everyone the UFC put in front of him and also fought Siver when he didn't need to. Besides Frankie there's nobody at lightweight of note that he hasn't fought.

Tom1991

weldoninhio wrote: »

Rahman was a nobody who ko'ed heavyweight champion Lewis. One punch means nothing.

Now maybe he'd batter Aldo around the ring if the fight had lasted longer, but the question is still there. Was it a lucky punch?

Hate to reply to ya pal but no one can call that a lucky punch.
1) He anticipated Aldo over extending and said so beforehand
2) Can be seen practising the movement before the walkout in his dressing room.
Execution of a perfect game plan that thousands of hours of work and study went into.

To the bandwagoners and armchair MMA experts that burst out at any McGregor event theres twice as much evidence supporting the fact that McGregor got lazy in his prep against Nate (a bit like in the fighter when he fights the lad just up off the couch).But no he's a hack that fluked his way to the top of a division beating the dominant Aldo.This debacle aside he should be fighting and should of done the press in Vegas as I genuinely believe hes earned the right to be top of the 200th landmark card.
Though I'm happy to see the dedication and hard training being back on display again.In Iceland and Portugal rolling with top level guys prepping hard for the biggest fight yet.

To end this wall of text me being more a lurker around here Thanks to the folks actively involved in MMA community who post on boards and take the time to try educate the general public like myself and can only imagine how infuriating it must be reading some of the bile being spouted.

zpehtsfd

Cali_girl wrote: »

I think these are the key to Conor's next steps: it's not obvious that he is getting enough good/smart support. Really hope he is; last few years of his life have been crazy town. He's smart and driven; hope he knows how to really look after himself and his personal and business interests.

That's the problem, Conor is not getting the right support. This "retirement" stunt was a complete and utter cluskerfook of the highest order. I mean we are talking multi-millions of $$$ here and while the presser is ongoing you have Conor tweeting like some irrational teenager. I 've said if before and i'll say it again "No one is bigger then an organization" and any business savvy manager would have told him this. He clearly wants to learn the hard way.

In saying all that i do believe what has transpired will ultimately favor Conor as he is clearly not mentally prepared yet. If he went ahead with all the promotional tour i'd say he'd have been beaten before he stepped into ring. What he needs is a win under his belt before a re-match with Diaz. Perhaps that was the plan all a long and the stunt was a complete success.

Cathy.C

This post contains a conspiracy theory. So feel free to ignore :P

Something that has really been bugging me about this whole debacle is the behavior of John Kavanagh. I have seen many interviews with him over the past few years, follow him on Twitter also, and yet I have never seen him say anything out of the ordinary before. On the contrary, he has always been measured and came across as someone with their head very much well screwed on. And so why, all of sudden, would this man behave like a dope. Why would he post churlish nonsense and stick his nose into this in a way which would be something you would associate with a teenager? An Eminem video? Photos behind sofas? Calling on people to give the UFC stick? Nah, doesn't make sense. I smell a rat. Many conspiracy theories have been posted on this thread so far and I have, along with the rest of you, rolled my eyes and moved on but the carry on of Kavanagh, a normally well adjusted individual, just comes across to me as someone that just doesn't know how to keep a lid on a secret. It's like he is overacting. This fight was worth upwards of $10m to Conor and I simply do not buy that John Kavanagh would act the way he has if everything was as we are being told that it is. No chance. We're being had.

Something Dana said last night has also sent up some red flags about all this and that is when he said Conor would not be fighting at MSG, that he would fight before that. Now why would Dana be saying that? Here we have a situation where he apparently can't get Conor to come to the states to do promo for UFC 200 and yet he is confident enough to say that Conor will be fighting on a card before MSG!? Doesn't add up. If anything, in the context of Conor fighting again, he should be saying 'God alone knows'. Add to that the fact that he keeps saying Conor removed himself from the card and yet five minutes later he will say that the UFC pulled him. Lets go back a few weeks.

When UFC announced that Nate vs Diaz II would head the card at 200, to say nobody gave a crap would be an understatement. Dana was tweeted non-stop asking why this fight was even considered at all, let alone headlining 200. Most podcasters agreed it was odd, that Conor should be defending his belt. Dana/UFC were accused of pandering to Conor. Basically that he was the tail wagging the dog. So, what if all that made them panic? What if (here comes the conspiracy) a few weeks back they all decided they made a mistake, that clearly nobody cares about this fight and concocted this whole set up:

Get Conor to hold up somewhere in Europe and say he is not coming, that he is sick of the media and the UFC making him dance like a monkey, we'll pull him from the card and the watch people watch people go ape. Then, at the presser we'll get Nate to say that if he doesn't fight Conor he's gonna on fcuking vacation! They'll buy that as everyone thinks Nate loves vacations. The damn Internet will shut down! Then we'll see how Jones gets on on the 23rd and if he wins easy, we'll announce that Nate is pulled from 200 also because he is refusing to fight the fighter the UFC wanted to replace Conor with. We'll announce Jones will be headlining 200 instead. They'll be baying for Dana's blood for not giving the Nate, Conor and the fans the fight they all clearly want... and then we'll announce that to appease Conor and the fans, we'll fly Nate to Ireland so he can fight Conor in Dublin!!

Sometime between August and October I reckon.