Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

Soarer · 14-11-2018 4:48pm

listermint wrote: »

Charge it in his house like a normal person.

Enlightened.

So explain how he's supposed to get home to charge, if he doesn't have enough charge to get home?

Old diesel · 14-11-2018 5:38pm

Soarer wrote: »

Enlightened.

So explain how he's supposed to get home to charge, if he doesn't have enough charge to get home?

It's simple if you are an L40 driver and you think theres a chance you might hold up an Ioniq driver - you just dont do the journey.

At least that's the conclusion the recent posts on this thread give anyway.

Which I consider nonsense but hey ho.

Soarer · 14-11-2018 11:33pm

Old diesel wrote: »

It's simple if you are an L40 driver and you think theres a chance you might hold up an Ioniq driver - you just dont do the journey.

At least that's the conclusion the recent posts on this thread give anyway.

Which I consider nonsense but hey ho.

Not just this thread.

listermint · 14-11-2018 11:37pm

Charge for it. Because it's out of hand and going to get worse.

That would see the powder of all these long term Parkers.

Because that's what they are.

unkel · 15-11-2018 12:13am

listermint wrote: »

Charge for it.

Aye. Charge for fast charging. And charge for it heavily. Something like:

ELM327 wrote: »

Proposal in case those involved are listening:
29c /kWh at fast charger
€1 per minute charge too, with the first 30 minutes free.

Or even more. I would have no problem with twice those rates per kWh and per minute. It will make sure the fast charging network is only used by people who need it for long distance travel beyond the range of their car.

liamog · 15-11-2018 1:47am

unkel wrote: »

Aye. Charge for fast charging. And charge for it heavily. Something like:

Or even more. I would have no problem with twice those rates per kWh and per minute. It will make sure the fast charging network is only used by people who need it for long distance travel beyond the range of their car.

Rates like that will also ensure we do not have an extensive charging network.

Silent Running · 15-11-2018 9:01am

liamog wrote: »

Rates like that will also ensure we do not have an extensive charging network.

And we will also have a rather large block for people to take up EV ownership. If the cost to charge is the same, or even close, as running a diesel, why would anyone put up with the wait time to charge. They'll just stay with their diesels.

We have enough blocks to uptake including manufacturer gouging customers, lack of vehicle choice, ESB only half-heartedly committed to keeping the network, such as it it, running, etc. We don't need to add excessive charging. Anything over peak rate domestic charge per unit will do the job of keeping the chargers clear. No need to punish those that have no choice but to use the public network.

Old diesel · 15-11-2018 9:51am

Silent Running wrote: »

And we will also have a rather large block for people to take up EV ownership. If the cost to charge is the same, or even close, as running a diesel, why would anyone put up with the wait time to charge. They'll just stay with their diesels.

We have enough blocks to uptake including manufacturer gouging customers, lack of vehicle choice, ESB only half-heartedly committed to keeping the network, such as it it, running, etc. We don't need to add excessive charging. Anything over peak rate domestic charge per unit will do the job of keeping the chargers clear. No need to punish those that have no choice but to use the public network.

Exactly

Really we need to be getting to a point where most towns and villages have reliable public charging.

With lots of capacity at the busy spot.

For me Dundee is a good example of public charging provision planned well - albeit i believe the Scots don't actually charge you.

ELM327 · 15-11-2018 11:24am

Silent Running wrote: »

And we will also have a rather large block for people to take up EV ownership. If the cost to charge is the same, or even close, as running a diesel, why would anyone put up with the wait time to charge. They'll just stay with their diesels.

We have enough blocks to uptake including manufacturer gouging customers, lack of vehicle choice, ESB only half-heartedly committed to keeping the network, such as it it, running, etc. We don't need to add excessive charging. Anything over peak rate domestic charge per unit will do the job of keeping the chargers clear. No need to punish those that have no choice but to use the public network.

6c/kWh at home for 99% of charging or you've bought the wrong car

Silent Running · 15-11-2018 12:02pm

ELM327 wrote: »

6c/kWh at home for 99% of charging or you've bought the wrong car

Not that simple though. A part of the decision process to move to EV would be the need to get a day/night meter, and the extra annual costs associated with that. Most people would use the worst case figures in their calculations, which would be their current 24 hour rate, and would include VAT.

99% would only apply after a fee was introduced to use the chargers. I have nothing to back this up, but I can't imagine there are very many people currently doing 99% of their charging at home, while there's free electricity to be had. Human nature and all that.

Because of my use pattern and necessity (and my nature as a human:P) I reckon that 95% of my charging is done on the public network. I know of some where that figure is 100%.

Fees for charging should be high enough to chase the likes of me back to their home chargers, where possible,:o but not so high as to be a negative factor in the decision process.

ELM327 · 15-11-2018 12:35pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Not that simple though. A part of the decision process to move to EV would be the need to get a day/night meter, and the extra annual costs associated with that. Most people would use the worst case figures in their calculations, which would be their current 24 hour rate, and would include VAT.

99% would only apply after a fee was introduced to use the chargers. I have nothing to back this up, but I can't imagine there are very many people currently doing 99% of their charging at home, while there's free electricity to be had. Human nature and all that.

Because of my use pattern and necessity (and my nature as a human:P) I reckon that 95% of my charging is done on the public network. I know of some where that figure is 100%.

Fees for charging should be high enough to chase the likes of me back to their home chargers, where possible,:o but not so high as to be a negative factor in the decision process.

Moving to a night meter is free.
I believe once you use 20% of your energy at night it is advantageous to have one, and for me, I had a night meter before I had my EV for that reason.

Whether it's 6c at night or worst case 17c at day time for 99% of the charging it's still not even in the same stratosphere as fossil fuel. If 95-100% of your charging is on the public network by necessity then you have bought the wrong car.

If it's 95-100% of your charging is on the public network now for cheapness then you just don't value your time. It costs approx €2 on night rate to charge an Ioniq from 0 to full. If sitting at a fast charger for 34 minutes from 0 to 94% is worth €2 to you then you need either a better paid job or a reality check.

KCross · 15-11-2018 1:20pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Because of my use pattern and necessity (and my nature as a human:P) I reckon that 95% of my charging is done on the public network. I know of some where that figure is 100%.

Are you talking SCP or FCP charging? Do you spend alot of time waiting around for the car to charge?

Why dont you charge at home... is it just to save the few quid you do it?

ELM327 · 15-11-2018 1:22pm

KCross wrote: »

Are you talking SCP or FCP charging? Do you spend alot of time waiting around for the car to charge?

Why dont you charge at home... is it just to save the few quid you do it?

€2 per charge saving, even if he's charging all the time at fast chargers it means he values his time at best at €4 per hour, and this does not exclude time spent driving to and from the fast charger.

He is a prime example of why we need payment for charging now, and why it needs to be dearer than home charging by some margin.

Silent Running · 15-11-2018 2:01pm

KCross wrote: »

Are you talking SCP or FCP charging? Do you spend alot of time waiting around for the car to charge?

Why dont you charge at home... is it just to save the few quid you do it?

ELM327 wrote: »

€2 per charge saving, even if he's charging all the time at fast chargers it means he values his time at best at €4 per hour, and this does not exclude time spent driving to and from the fast charger.

He is a prime example of why we need payment for charging now, and why it needs to be dearer than home charging by some margin.

Wow, wow, steady on there. My usage pattern is not the normal commute to work and home. I'm retired and live the life of leisure. Yesterday I ran up to Dublin, did a bit of stuff up there and ran back down. 2 fast charges required, so shoot me.

Tomorrow, I'll go into Wexford, do a bit of shopping and have lunch, while my car will be on a slow charger. That's what they're for, right? I plan to go to Waterford over the weekend, where I'll use a destination charger.

You two are talking like I'm a two headed demon, without knowing my usage and charging pattern. Of course I charge at home. Of course I use fast chargers as necessary, on route, of course I use destination charging. I don't think I'm at all unique in my usage, maybe I'm just more honest.

Jeez, high horse brigade out in force today.

KCross · 15-11-2018 2:03pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Wow, wow, steady on there. My usage pattern is not the normal commute to work and home. I'm retired and live the life of leisure. Yesterday I ran up to Dublin, did a bit of stuff up there and ran back down. 2 fast charges required, so shoot me.

Tomorrow, I'll go into Wexford, do a bit of shopping and have lunch, while my car will be on a slow charger. That's what they're for, right? I plan to go to Waterford over the weekend, where I'll use a destination charger.

You two are talking like I'm a two headed demon, without knowing my usage and charging pattern. Of course I charge at home. Of course I use fast chargers as necessary, on route, of course I use destination charging. I don't think I'm at all unique in my usage, maybe I'm just more honest.

Jeez, high horse brigade out in force today.

Wow wow steady on there. I didnt put you down at all. I asked you some basic questions, without any judgement at all, and you've given the answers. Thanks!

Silent Running · 15-11-2018 2:09pm

KCross wrote: »

Are you talking SCP or FCP charging? Do you spend alot of time waiting around for the car to charge?

Why dont you charge at home... is it just to save the few quid you do it?

KCross wrote: »

Wow wow steady on there. I didnt put you down at all. I asked you some basic questions, without any judgement at all, and you've given the answers. Thanks!

Well, the bolded part was an assumption that I never charge at home, and that I'm just a miser.

ELM327 · 15-11-2018 2:11pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Wow, wow, steady on there. My usage pattern is not the normal commute to work and home. I'm retired and live the life of leisure. Yesterday I ran up to Dublin, did a bit of stuff up there and ran back down. 2 fast charges required, so shoot me.

Tomorrow, I'll go into Wexford, do a bit of shopping and have lunch, while my car will be on a slow charger. That's what they're for, right? I plan to go to Waterford over the weekend, where I'll use a destination charger.

You two are talking like I'm a two headed demon, without knowing my usage and charging pattern. Of course I charge at home. Of course I use fast chargers as necessary, on route, of course I use destination charging. I don't think I'm at all unique in my usage, maybe I'm just more honest.

Jeez, high horse brigade out in force today.

Doesnt align with:

Silent Running wrote: »

Not that simple though. A part of the decision process to move to EV would be the need to get a day/night meter, and the extra annual costs associated with that. Most people would use the worst case figures in their calculations, which would be their current 24 hour rate, and would include VAT.

99% would only apply after a fee was introduced to use the chargers. I have nothing to back this up, but I can't imagine there are very many people currently doing 99% of their charging at home, while there's free electricity to be had. Human nature and all that.

Because of my use pattern and necessity (and my nature as a human:P) I reckon that 95% of my charging is done on the public network. I know of some where that figure is 100%.

Fees for charging should be high enough to chase the likes of me back to their home chargers, where possible,:o but not so high as to be a negative factor in the decision process.

KCross · 15-11-2018 2:22pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Well, the bolded part was an assumption that I never charge at home, and that I'm just a miser.

You said 95% of your charging was on the public network so I knew you had a home charger for the other 5%. I then asked you why you were using the public network so much and asked if it was to save money or not.

No assumptions, just a question which I asked and you have answered.

Nowhere in my post did I put you down.

Silent Running · 15-11-2018 2:38pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Doesnt align with:

How does it not? My usage pattern allows for me to us the public network most of the time. Again, that's what destination chargers are for, right? I only use fast chargers as a necessity, I don't go out of my way to use them, not that there are any CCS chargers within an asses roar of where I live.

I'm not the first to post on here that I use the public charging network as an opportunist, and I'm far from the only one to do it. Are you saying that you don't plug in to the public network when you can? Probably not, because that would make you a hypocrite.

Look, lads, this is all great banter, but be realistic. I'm sure most of us take advantage of the free charge when it's available. Am I wrong in this? Am I just a miserable git? I won't deny that it's possible and that a fixed income over many years will do that to you.

Moreilly · 15-11-2018 6:44pm

Jeazus i hope people considering buying a EV don't read threads like this or scan through the various facebook groups or i can foresee a resurgence in the oul' ICE cars .......

Old diesel · 15-11-2018 7:32pm

Interesting report from Ioniq driver on Irish EV owners association.

He got a charger error message (when using a fast charger) BUT his car actually charged up.

Wierd one.

Shefwedfan · 15-11-2018 9:08pm

Hyundai have partnered with Vodafone, looks like app could be coming in Europe....

https://www.hyundai.news/eu/brand/hyundai-and-kia-enter-strategic-partnership-with-vodafone/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=newsroom&fbclid=IwAR2EdVKRi94SrbKXKnEVIgkDOakLzorIE4suJnx4vDUW8xd2hjtFZlkoVa8

15-11-2018 11:25pm

Moreilly wrote: »

Jeazus i hope people considering buying a EV don't read threads like this or scan through the various facebook groups or i can foresee a resurgence in the oul' ICE cars .......

Why? it looks like charging an EV is more cost effective than petrol or diesel,
Id like to see some cost comparisons but Im not sure how they are compared. The considerations for fuel costs would be how much it is for the consumer to purchase the fuel (or electricity) at. In the end thats what it costs to deliver to the end user generally, I know there are taxes on fuels and potentially subsidies on EVs that arent related to the respective products.
Be good to know how much loses there are in delivering electricity, but that might be more difficult to determine the cost of, but there is a whole infrastructure to deliver liquid fuels and the cost/impact/effciency of that is never considered.
Even recently Id considered of going a hybrid vehicle route, but when you see what is available now, it seems likely the options could cover the distances for most peoples needs, and no tailpipe emmisions, think its coming whether people like it or not, maybe something else will come along too, but I think it will be a while.

zg3409 · 15-11-2018 11:38pm

>it looks like charging an EV is more cost >effective than petrol or diesel,
>Id like to see some cost comparisons

My electric cost is 400 per year measured after losses at home charger not car, night rate.

Diesel for same commute approx 2000

Petrol guzzler was 4000 per year.

110km per day. Also 400 savings in tolls. It is mostly just tax avoidance. Ioniq EV. All motorway on m50 at rush hour. I have 45 to 50% battery spare each day.

BigAl81 · 15-11-2018 11:50pm

Shefwedfan wrote:

Hyundai have partnered with Vodafone, looks like app could be coming in Europe....

No way, that would be great!!

However it's on "upcoming 2019 models" from how I'd read the article, so I don't think current Ioniqs will get it. I don't think the current batch of cars have the module for it?

Shefwedfan · 16-11-2018 9:50pm

BigAl81 wrote: »

No way, that would be great!!

However it's on "upcoming 2019 models" from how I'd read the article, so I don't think current Ioniqs will get it. I don't think the current batch of cars have the module for it?

No it would be rolled out with new models.....

Kia will get as well

zg3409 · 20-11-2018 10:37am

This Kildare dealer seems to have a brand new ioniq in stock:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-electric-vehicle-ev-unlimited-m/20380182#xtor=EPR-4-[searchAlert]-20181120-[viewMatchingAd]-521001@1

I hope price is before grants!

ELM327 · 20-11-2018 10:56am

Just came here to post the same
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-electric-vehicle-ev-unlimited-m/20380182

Absolutely insane price.

Zenith74 · 20-11-2018 11:07am

The prices of the Ioniq in general seem a little perplexing, is it just the short supply I wonder? I'm debating swapping one of the Leafs for an Ioniq to try it out, but looking on Autotrader at say these three -
2016 - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201810171586932 £21000
2017 - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201811072220909 £23400
2018 - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201810251831824 £22995

How are these all so closely priced given they're same specs, similar(ish) low mileage, same colour, all from dealers etc but three years of different ages. Hard to know what good value is

sean72 · 20-11-2018 11:39am

Do Hyundai recommend any specific type of home charger for their range?

Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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