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Racism against white people?

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    #152
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    ComfortKid wrote: »
    You can not win the award if you are white, which is discriminating people based on they're skin colour which is racism.
    wakka12 wrote: »
    Ignoring the centuries of oppression that ethnic minorities suffered, and pretending like everyone in this world is treated exactly as fairly as you is so so ignorant, but if sticking to your dictionary definition and closing your eyes to the reality of the world around us keeps you happy then so be it

    Fantastic, both extremes on a spectrum of idiocy within about 5 posts of each other.


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    #153
    ComfortKid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭ComfortKid


    Icepick wrote:
    Stupid or dishonest? You can't win a female beauty if you aren't a woman either.


    Obviously. Big difference though, I was under the assumption that we cannot discriminate based on skin colour. I can have a men's football team but I can't have a white only football team.

    A woman can't win the worlds strongest man either

    Comparing sex's to racism is a poor contribution.


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    #154
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    ComfortKid wrote: »
    Obviously. Big difference though, I was under the assumption that we cannot discriminate based on skin colour. I can have a men's football team but I can't have a white only football team.

    A woman can't win the worlds strongest man either

    Comparing sex's to racism is a poor contribution.

    Where does it say the awards are based on skin colour?

    You just made that bit up .


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    #155
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Valetta wrote: »
    Of course you can win the award if you're "white" ; whatever that means.

    What colour skin would you say Easah Suliman has?

    Your outrage is at best misguided.
    I agree that defining and classifying people by colour is stupid, but Suliam identifies with the Asian community and is considered asian despite possible being 'white passing' . If he considered himself white he wouldnt be in the competition


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    #156
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I agree that defining and classifying people by colour is stupid, but Suliam identifies with the Asian community and is considered asian despite possible being 'white passing' . If he considered himself white he wouldnt be in the competition


    Why not? It's possible to be both an ethnic minority and white you know.


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    #157
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I agree that defining and classifying people by colour is stupid, but Suliam identifies with the Asian community and is considered asian despite possible being 'white passing' . If he considered himself white he wouldnt be in the competition

    Which may be true, but irrelevant to the accusation that the competition is racist.

    Asian means you come from Asia ; nothing to do with skin colour.


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    #158
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Why not? It's possible to be both an ethnic minority and white you know.

    Yes I know but he doesn't identify as white in this case , and another poster said he was white.


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    #159
    Paramite Pie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    El Guapo! wrote: »
    And I can't win the paralympics because of these 2 damn legs I was born with.

    Oh well.

    A person with no legs can't physically enter the Olympics, hence the separate category.

    Are you suggesting that non-whites are at a similar disadvantage physically? Nonsense. Stupid comparison.


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    #160
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Yes I know but he doesn't identify as white in this case , and another poster said he was white.

    If that's referring to me, I never said he was "white", whatever that means.


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    #161
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Yes I know but he doesn't identify as white in this case , and another poster said he was white.

    Can I identify as not white as well? I've always considered myself more of a pasty pink :pac:


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    #162
    Starokan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Starokan


    In an ideal world where no racism exists and where everyone has the common sense to recognise that we are all the same no matter our what skin colour is then yes you would ideally have a situation where all award ceremonies are completely inclusive and anyone can enter etc.

    To answer your question op no I do not have a problem with it though, sometimes it helps to put yourself in other peoples shoes, black only awards exist because well basically they as in black people were unbelievably marginalised for a very very long time. I guess they provide the group as a whole with an identity , a sense of pride in their skin colour , a sense of pride in who they are.

    For mainstream white people this is not an issue because well we have in modern times never been denied basic human and civil rights. I use the term mainstream because if you break down the white race into different groups - LGBT, Travellers, for example these groups have organisations and/or awards or ceremonies that also allow them to gain a sense of pride in who they are, it allows them to say look we are no different than you, why can you not see this?.

    The simple reality is that until the day comes when black people are considered by the majority as being equal then you will always see these type of events, its only when the black community as a whole feel equal that such events will become irrelevant. It could be another hundred years before this becomes reality although in recent times I have seen things that give me hope. Take schools - in most primary schools in Ireland , black , white , asian etc mix freely and are friends with each other, if this continues into adult life then in time we will see a much more inclusive tolerant society.


    White society has been at the pinnacle for a very long time, white males in particular - its changing, there is a real danger that it goes to far too and the once oppressors become the oppressed but that's a whole other story.

    For now I would say to you do not begrudge another ethnic group their ceremonies or groups even though yes they exclude you, rather try and understand the horrific events that occurred to make this come about.


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    #163
    moneymad
    Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭moneymad


    Starokan wrote: »
    The simple reality is that until the day comes when black people are considered by the majority as being equal then you will always see these type of events, its only when
    Equal in what way exactly? What are you talking about here?


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    #164
    Starokan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Starokan


    moneymad wrote: »
    Equal in what way exactly? What are you talking about here?

    From my own experiences it has become obvious to me that the majority of people I encounter do not consider black people as their equals. I base this on nothing but my own experiences so I do not expect all to agree - you and many others may see this in an entirely different light


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    #165
    moneymad
    Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭moneymad


    Starokan wrote: »
    From my own experiences it has become obvious to me that the majority of people I encounter do not consider black people as their equals. I base this on nothing but my own experiences so I do not expect all to agree - you and many others may see this in an entirely different light
    If all those people based it on their experiences, what does that say about them?


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    #166
    Starokan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 746 ✭✭✭Starokan


    moneymad wrote: »
    If all those people based it on their experiences, what does that say about them?

    It says that they possess a different viewpoint than me which they are perfectly entitled too


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    #167
    bnt
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    OP never heard of the BET Awards either, I'm guessing?

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

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    #168
    ComfortKid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭ComfortKid


    bnt wrote:
    OP never heard of the

    bnt wrote:
    either, I'm guessing?


    Nope I didn't. Ye have all pointed out these black or ethnic awards ceremonys.

    Can ye show me awards where only white people can be nominated?


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    #169
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    ComfortKid wrote: »
    Nope I didn't. Ye have all pointed out these black or ethnic awards ceremonys.

    Can ye show me awards where only white people can be nominated?

    I'll ask for a third time:

    What does "white people" mean, exactly?


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    #170
    ComfortKid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭ComfortKid


    Starokan wrote:
    In an ideal world where no racism exists and where everyone has the common sense to recognise that we are all the same no matter our what skin colour is then yes you would ideally have a situation where all award ceremonies are completely inclusive and anyone can enter etc.

    Starokan wrote:
    To answer your question op no I do not have a problem with it though, sometimes it helps to put yourself in other peoples shoes, black only awards exist because well basically they as in black people were unbelievably marginalised for a very very long time. I guess they provide the group as a whole with an identity , a sense of pride in their skin colour , a sense of pride in who they are.

    Starokan wrote:
    For mainstream white people this is not an issue because well we have in modern times never been denied basic human and civil rights. I use the term mainstream because if you break down the white race into different groups - LGBT, Travellers, for example these groups have organisations and/or awards or ceremonies that also allow them to gain a sense of pride in who they are, it allows them to say look we are no different than you, why can you not see this?.

    Starokan wrote:
    The simple reality is that until the day comes when black people are considered by the majority as being equal then you will always see these type of events, its only when the black community as a whole feel equal that such events will become irrelevant. It could be another hundred years before this becomes reality although in recent times I have seen things that give me hope. Take schools - in most primary schools in Ireland , black , white , asian etc mix freely and are friends with each other, if this continues into adult life then in time we will see a much more inclusive tolerant society.

    Starokan wrote:
    The simple reality is that until the day comes when black people are considered by the majority as being equal then you will always see these type of events, its only when the black community as a whole feel equal that such events will become irrelevant. It could be another hundred years before this becomes reality although in recent times I have seen things that give me hope. Take schools - in most primary schools in Ireland , black , white , asian etc mix freely and are friends with each other, if this continues into adult life then in time we will see a much more inclusive tolerant society.


    I don't know anyone who thinks they are better than any other people because of skin colour. No one alive today was responsible for enslaving black people. Can't they just get over it?
    Britain did similar in this country but we seem to have gotten over it, we don't hate the Brits anymore because the people responsible are long dead


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    #171
    moneymad
    Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭moneymad


    Starokan wrote: »
    It says that they possess a different viewpoint than me which they are perfectly entitled too
    I'm not being pedantic here, but you're not entitled to different viewpoints.


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    #172
    ComfortKid
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    Valetta wrote:
    What does "white people" mean, exactly?


    You know what it means, so I won't answer your stupid question


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    #173
    Doctor Jimbob
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    ComfortKid wrote: »
    I don't know anyone who thinks they are better than any other people because of skin colour. No one alive today was responsible for enslaving black people. Can't they just get over it?
    Britain did similar in this country but we seem to have gotten over it, we don't hate the Brits anymore because the people responsible are long dead

    I actually agree with you to an extent on this, but the awards you're complaining about are for ethnic minorites, which is not a term that excludes white people.

    I know there are some extremists around the internet who have a 'whites vs minorites' outlook, but I don't think applying the same mindset to these awards is logical.


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    #174
    smokingman
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    Valetta wrote: »
    I'll ask for a third time:

    What does "white people" mean, exactly?

    I think he may mean "Aryan" or however you spell "little Hitler wannabe"....


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    #175
    ComfortKid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭ComfortKid


    smokingman wrote:
    I think he may mean "Aryan" or however you spell "little Hitler wannabe"....


    Wow. Just wow


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    #176
    moneymad
    Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭moneymad


    Valetta wrote: »
    I'll ask for a third time:

    What does "white people" mean, exactly?

    are you white? I think he means white people.


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    #177
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    ComfortKid wrote: »
    You know what it means, so I won't answer your stupid question

    And the mask slips.

    Your OP is disingenuous in the extreme. You completely ignored my post where I asked how you figured our a white person couldn't win the award.

    You also ignored my question about the skin colour of Easah Suliman.

    Do you have an agenda you are trying to subtly introduce?


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    #178
    moneymad
    Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭moneymad


    Valetta wrote: »
    And the mask slips.

    Your OP is disingenuous in the extreme. You completely ignored my post where I asked how you figured our a white person couldn't win the award.

    You also ignored my question about the skin colour of Easah Suliman.

    Do you have an agenda you are trying to subtly introduce?

    Just say the word racist and get it out the way like a good girl.
    And then the grown ups can carry on chatting, sound good?

    mod: banned


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    #179
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    moneymad wrote: »
    Just say the word racist and get it out the way like a good girl.
    And then the grown ups can carry on chatting, sound good?

    Very sexist post there .


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    #180
    moneymad
    Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭moneymad


    :)


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    #181
    ComfortKid
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    Valetta wrote:
    You also ignored my question about the skin colour of Easah Suliman.


    I also questioned how Jessica Ennis is up for an award as she's neither black or part of an ethnic minority, I've never heard of or seen Easah Suliman.
    You have the agenda here pal.


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