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Who will succeed Johnny Sexton

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    #152
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    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    Except the French have been working on their defense this week, so we can't be sure what we'll see from them in that regard.

    I think we'll see a much improved France to be honest. I'm not trying to be negative, but there is a good bit of talent in that team and it's not uncommon for France not to really show up against Italy and do just enough to beat them (albeit barely this time).

    I think France will be hard out of the blocks and right in our faces after the short turnaround we've had. Anyone expecting a "soft defence" and for us to run through them I think is going to be disappointed.

    That said, Guy Noves from what I've heard seems to almost be the opposite of Joe Schmidt and I think our pack, especially back row can get the upper hand here.

    Should be a very interesting game.


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    #153
    NiallBoo
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Madigan's utility status is helping him earn caps at the moment, he's able to cover more positions than Jackson so he earns a place on the bench,

    There's reason there but I can't help but wonder if JS is too obsessed with it?

    Last week (starting)we had 4 full-backs, two of them playing centre, and another one that regularly does. Also a winger who was converted from the centre. On the bench you had an out-half that plays centre and full-back and a winger that can play full-back.

    That's 2 options for OH, 4 for centre, 4+ for winger and 6 for full-back.

    Would you really lose much versatility by putting Jackson on the bench (who has occasionally played center/FB himself, though much, much less than Madigan).

    I also wonder if js just doesn't like out-and-out wingers


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    #154
    Billysays no
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    thats about it


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    #155
    CMOTDibbler
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    NiallBoo wrote: »
    There's reason there but I can't help but wonder if JS is too obsessed with it?

    Last week (starting)we had 4 full-backs, two of them playing centre, and another one that regularly does. Also a winger who was converted from the centre. On the bench you had an out-half that plays centre and full-back and a winger that can play full-back.

    That's 2 options for OH, 4 for centre, 4+ for winger and 6 for full-back.

    Would you really lose much versatility by putting Jackson on the bench (who has occasionally played center/FB himself, though much, much less than Madigan).

    I also wonder if js just doesn't like out-and-out wingers
    The issue isn't what's on the pitch, it's what's on the bench. It's simply a case of making sure you have minimum disruption on the pitch if there's an injury.

    In an ideal world there are no injuries and substitutions are made for impact purposes to close out a game. but if there is, you want to minimise the effect and still have an impact from the bench.

    The multi-positional attributes of players on the pitch are only helpful in a 'break glass in case of emergency' basis. They are not picked for these attributes primarily but are clearly an advantage if disaster strikes a la 6N 2013.


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    #156
    Billysays no
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    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    multi-positional attributes of players on the pitch are only helpful in a 'break glass in case of emergency
    we should place all our multi-positional players in multi-positional positions. then we wouldnt even need 15 players. love this idea. just pick our best five multi-positional players and they will cover every option.


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    #157
    johnnyryan89
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    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    The issue isn't what's on the pitch, it's what's on the bench. It's simply a case of making sure you have minimum disruption on the pitch if there's an injury

    This is it in a nutshell. The last thing you want to be doing is reshuffling around a couple of lads on the field to accommodate your sub coming on (e.g. Jackson is your only sub left and Trimble goes down injured, you gotta shift RK out to the wing, Henshaw or Payne into FB and Sexton into Centre for Jackson to play out-half).

    Until they change the rules and increase the number of subs then lads like Jackson, Marshall and McCloskey who all play in one position will more then likely only get a game against weaker opposition or friendlies until they get to the level to be considered test starters.

    Hopefully when the 6 Nations is over they use the summer test games against South Africa and the Autumn internationals to blood players in, give the older lads a rest. The time to build towards Japan '19 is now or even Ireland '23 if we get the nod to host, put a plan in place to be realistically aiming to win the 2023 World Cup.


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    #158
    Billysays no
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    johnnyryan89 wrote: »
    This is it in a nutshell. The last thing you want to be doing is reshuffling around a couple of lads on the field to accommodate your sub coming on (e.g. Jackson is your only sub left and Trimble goes down injured, you gotta shift RK out to the wing, Henshaw or Payne into FB and Sexton into Centre for Jackson to play out-half).

    Until they change the rules and increase the number of subs then lads like Jackson, Marshall and McCloskey who all play in one position will more then likely only get a game against weaker opposition or friendlies until they get to the level to be considered test starters.

    Hopefully when the 6 Nations is over they use the summer test games against South Africa and the Autumn internationals to blood players in, give the older lads a rest. The time to build towards Japan '19 is now or even Ireland '23 if we get the nod to host, put a plan in place to be realistically aiming to win the 2023 World Cup.

    which totally backs up my point. every player should be exposed to play in every position just in case


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    #159
    Stheno
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    Billysays no wrote: »
    we should place all our multi-positional players . just pick our best five multi-positional players and they will cover every option.

    But we need fifteen starters and eight subs?

    Are you suggesting mini sevens?


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    #160
    Billysays no
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Billysays no


    Stheno wrote: »
    But we need fifteen starters and eight subs?

    Are you suggesting mini sevens?

    fair point. so while everybody can play in every position it is unlikely that they can be in all positions at the same time. so as you point out we probably need 23 players no matter what. :-(


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    #161
    Steve
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    Who is the only one that steps up when all other 10's are out?

    Isa.

    Played a stormer tonight. Yeah he missed one but so does JS an IM the odd time.

    (sorry if this thread is IRL not LEIN)


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    #162
    Steve
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    Who is the only one that steps up when all other 10's are out?

    Isa.

    Played a stormer tonight. Yeah he missed one but so does JS an IM the odd time.

    (sorry if this thread is IRL not LEIN)


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    #163
    Billysays no
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Billysays no


    Steve wrote: »
    Who is the only one that steps up when all other 10's are out?

    Isa.

    Played a stormer tonight. Yeah he missed one but so does JS an IM the odd time.

    (sorry if this thread is IRL not LEIN)

    my point made ten times over.
    even if its against zebre.

    rob kearney to flanker


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    #164
    Stheno
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    Billysays no wrote: »
    my point made ten times over.
    even if its against zebre.

    rob kearney to flanker

    No. More a Steve being pissed post


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    #165
    pickarooney
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    So we just need to annex Fiji?


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    #166
    NiallBoo
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    pickarooney wrote: »
    So we just need to annex Fiji?

    Well...he was born in Ireland as much as he was in Fiji...


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    #167
    pickarooney
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    Neither a hurling stronghold


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    #168
    CMOTDibbler
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    It has to be Paddy Jackson who's most likely to succeed. He has the advantage of having played at a high level from a very young age and training with Sexton for the last few years in Ireland camps.

    He has definitely improved and that's an encouraging sign. Some players can only go so far and then plateau and that's all you're going to get from them. Paddy may well be different. The only thing he seems to lack is that hard edge that Sexton has, the almost single minded drive for perfection and anger at anything less than the best from himself.

    In that respect, Sexton reminds me of POC. That uncompromising drive and ability to bring players with them.


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    #169
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    It has to be Paddy Jackson who's most likely to succeed. He has the advantage of having played at a high level from a very young age and training with Sexton for the last few years in Ireland camps.

    He has definitely improved and that's an encouraging sign. Some players can only go so far and then plateau and that's all you're going to get from them. Paddy may well be different. The only thing he seems to lack is that hard edge that Sexton has, the almost single minded drive for perfection and anger at anything less than the best from himself.

    In that respect, Sexton reminds me of POC. That uncompromising drive and ability to bring players with them.

    ROG was quite the grumpy little **** at times too. A trait Irish 10s seem to use well. PJ's just too cuddly to be that kind of 10.


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    #170
    case885
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    pickarooney wrote:
    Neither a hurling stronghold


    The O'hailpins would beg to differ :D


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    #171
    johnnyryan89
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    Billysays no wrote: »
    which totally backs up my point. every player should be exposed to play in every position just in case

    I agree with you to a certain extent that it comes in handy for lads to be able to play in a number of positions and it's probably the reason why lads like Earls, Fitzgerald, McFadden and Madigan have the number of caps that they have because they are utility players but would much prefer the number of subs increased so the likes of Jackson or McCloskey who have been the form players leading up the 6 Nations being picked ahead of lads who could do a job for you as they say.


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