Where would you go next...

wotzgoingon

It's not the relative bargain it used to be. I think some posters on here bought brand new Mk7 sts for 22-23k.

Wow 22-23k. It's mad how things change in such a short space of time. I think we are in a bit of bubble and then CV 19. Shít may hit the fan yet. Or just inflation who knows.

hooch-85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118120592#Comment_118120592

Yep I bought a brand new ST2 in Spirit blue which itself was a 950 cost option for 23,750 in 2016. Ford did €5k off them for the 161 registration period. Great value in hindsight but also makes it a bit of a joke that some dealers are asking up to €20k for low mileage ones today.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118120285#Comment_118120285

Change the record it's getting boring. You have no actual experience of an EV and it seems owning a 6cyl bmw makes you an expert on fun cars.

Going to the petrol station is inconvenient.

vintagevrs

Have to agree.

Leonard....I've owned a few 6pot beamers, and, well, meh.

M20b25 in the e30 in fairness was nice, but it's old, tappety and drinks and drinks fuel. Needed to adjust valves on it every other week it felt. Changing oil, filters plugs regularly....I could live without.

I then had a straight 6 E46, forget which one and it was smooth but absolutely gutless. Sold it very quickly.

The 330d then was more modern and 8 speed box meant it was quick and effortless. With that said though, you realise a 300hp EV with no gearbox will leave the 300hp beamer behind. The max torque is always there, there is no curve, it's just flat with max area under it, meaning it's instant. No wrong gear, no wrong part of the rev range. It's always just there. And then there's no gearbox, so no milliseconds lost even to a DCT or whatever BM are pushing now back with the ZF boxes in the M cars again. So you put your foot down and the power delivery is maintained without interruption. This is was manufacturers have been trying to do for years with super fast boxes or cvts.

Drive a fast EV and see what you think, maybe you have already? They will be embraced by car people as they offer more for less.

6 pot beamers will be for sunny afternoons at the weekend.

James Bond Junior

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118121011#Comment_118121011

6 pot beamers will be for sunny afternoons at the weekend.

Nail. On. Head. Coming back to Ireland in June and a hybrid at least or an EV is what will be bought. Sometimes even petrol heads want something that brings you from A to B without hassle and in comfort.

My wife had Mini Coopers back in the day. Feel like driving like a loon, fantastic! Day to day or on a journey any more than 30 mins, tiresome, hard and uncomfortable. Same with the E36, most of the charm of it was putting it away and getting back into the boring barge that was my S60. It made both cars more special and if I had to daily the E36 I'd only hate it.

Wailin

Leave LH alone lads! He's talking about driver involvement, with a manual gearbox, rear wheel drive etc etc, not just floor it and yawn while doing so cos you've nothing else to do.

Its like everything in the modern world. All the mod cons practically doing everything for us while our brains shrink due to lack of excitement and use lol!

Edit: vintage you haven't driven anything yet with the B58 (correct me if I'm wrong), 140i, 340i etc. Worlds apart from the cars you mentioned above.

vintagevrs

Nope I haven't.

But I think JBJ made the point better than I did. These auto everything electric cars have a place....school runs, groceries, commuting, sitting in traffic. They do all that better imo than an equivalent car with an engine.

I have fallen victim to dailying a car with stacks of driver involvement which inevitably wears you out.

notGill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118120563#Comment_118120563

You can't get the adaptive cruise with the ST due to block the intercooler I believe...!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118120621#Comment_118120621

Those were the days but they're long gone unfortunately. I got 16k through insurance during the summer for my own written off, I thought I was doing well until I noticed the dealers pricing recently.

A new facelift fiesta is now a 38k+ car with options, waiting to see the impact that the new VRT rates have as Ford Ireland are incredibly slow with their price updates.

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122136#Comment_118122136

I don't know. Reading back through this thread as a prime example and you can see the pattern of some people yearning for a certain type of car, getting one but then get tired of it and yearn for something else. The grass is always greener on the other side as they say and I see the same people getting tired of EVs quickly once the euphoria and novelty passes. When ICE cars are gone they will yearn for one again and be reminiscing in this thread about the good old days of having grease and oil on their hands and their head under the bonnet rather than just waiting for over the air software updates to install.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122082#Comment_118122082

He is quick to post a lot of nonsense about something he has no experience in. I have owned 2 x E46 m3s, a e39 530i, z4 coupe 3.0si , and several other 6 pot bmws and one EV, am I allowed an opinion or am I an EV fan boy as he has suggested?

vintagevrs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122310#Comment_118122310

True, sure that's all part of the fun though, looking at what's next. I like experiencing different things rather than stick to the same formula.

No one car can do it all really. Even if your fun car can do it all, driving it too much oddly takes away from it as mentioned before. It's like you need to work during the week to enjoy your weekends/holidays more. If you drive something dull during the week your fun car will stay fun.

Wailin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122334#Comment_118122334

Ah Cyrus, no one ever said you're not allowed an opinion! I'm not sure, I may have used the term "EV fanboys" myself at some stage, but it's a nonsense statement to be fair.

Maybe some of us here, like myself and a few others, are old dinosaurs reluctant to change. I can say for certain though, that I am adverse to this talk of EV's being better for the environment, I just simply do not buy it. I'm not going to say why, because its probably been said countless times on other threads.

The arguements for and against EV's do get tiresome. At the end of the day, everyone has an opinion that they're entitled to.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118123688#Comment_118123688

I think we all know the best thing for the environment is for us to drive a car into the ground but I don't see many here advocating that 😃

I haven't seen many arguments on this thread around the environmental impact of EVs to be fair ,me personally I'm just working within the system.

Wailin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118123944#Comment_118123944

Out of interest, what ev have you Cyrus, Tesla?

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118124035#Comment_118124035

Nope Audi Etron 50, the larger one (not the new q4)

It is to EVs what hummers are to ice (in efficiency terms ) but suits the family needs and moves a bit for a big wagon.

Wildly Boaring

See one in Intel carpark.

Serious bus

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122136#Comment_118122136

Same here - daily’ed a manual with a stupid heavy clutch years ago and never again - moved to a dsg mk5 gti when they came out and have never looked back.

i throw my slippers at the tv when I hear car reviewers paw-paw’ing folks for getting a pdk Porsche or whatever, when ‘the manual is such a drivers car’. These guys are hooning these cars for a few hours or a few days and not sitting on the m50 at 8am in it. In Ireland 99% of us have one car in our name - choose wisely!, but choose whatever you want yourself.

The neighbours couldn’t care less.

Buddy Bubs

My mechanic invariably gives me a loan of whatever e36/46 BMW manual he has bought and is tidying up for sale when I drop my car into him for servicing and I can't wait to get out of them by the time I make my 30 min spin to work.

I actually had a 1999 e36 and 2 x e46 manuals in the past, they were my first 3 cars I bought but not a hope would I like to go back to that level of 'driver involvement'. They are usually 325i or 330i with 200bhp+ but manual petrol without the torque of my daily automatic diesel just makes it seem like hard work. And to be honest, slow.

I'd imagine once we make the move to electric, anything with an ICE engine is going to feel prehistoric if you go back to one temporarily.

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118126214#Comment_118126214

Yep, mine was in for a recall and Audi gave me a decent spec q5 with one of the quicker diesel engines and I hated it, especially the engine cutting in and out when you stop.

carsfan2

With all this ev appreciation, we might have to ask the mods to move this thread to the ev forum at this rate lads!

I do wonder though where all the public chargers are going to be if the rate of ev purchase grows exponentially as government would appear to advocate.

massive infrastructure investment required.

By the way,if you were changing from the Audi Cyrus what would you consider?

model Y?

I have been looking at reviews of the BMW ix3 lately and I know it’s not a ev only platform but the reviews are all extremely positive.

Wildly Boaring

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118124412#Comment_118124412

Ha. See one this morning at my kids music class too. Lovely looking machine

sk8board

speaking of manual hot hatches, here’s everything that’s wrong with the new car market. €75k for a GR.

literally double the price of a full spec refresh Fiesta ST (still waiting for the Ford configurator to list the price for ‘mean green’! Colour makes all the difference on a hot hatch)

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/toyota/yaris/used-2021-212-toyota-yaris-gr-circuit-dublin-fpa-202107255425988

hooch-85

In fairness that's €10k over the list for a circuit pack GR and it's got a lot of extra spec on it, not saying it's not crazy money or anythingT.

Toyota sold out all the allocation of these very easily so people (rich people!) obviously think they are worth the money.

sk8board

Absolutely. A future classic as they say :)

it’ll be used as a weekend car at best, as it’ll be very mileage averse in this top spec for a collector in the future.

putting a load of miles on an ST just seems like more enjoyment/€.

got an alert this morning for a 191 st3 listing for €29k. Only a few grand depreciation in 3 years!!

pity Toyota didn’t get to race the Yaris, these things would the Makinen evo’s of the future.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118126462#Comment_118126462

I think its just that this thread was almost the go to place for people that were considering some nice higher end stuff, new and used. I don't think there's many regular posters looking at changing to anything ICE these days so that conversation has died.

As for the infrastructure, I'm not sure. I don't see any concrete plan for public charging to match the pace of EV purchases. If and when I make the move I'll be a home and work charger. 400kms range will mean I'll be self sufficient. Wouldn't rely on public and don't want to be hanging around buying coffee and danishes in service stations

sk8board

We have to be cognisant too that any Motoring forum isn’t reflective of the market.

the no. of €60-150k ‘sports cars’ sold here is minimal in the overall scheme of things.

some current choices:

a €145k BMW m3 or an €85k i4 m50

a €68k Tesla m3LR versus a €68k golf R. That’s a genuine choice.

a more generic choice would be a €45k Tiguan V a €45k ID4.

I keep coming back to the Taycan - we’ve sold a literal handful of new 911’s over the past decade here, but have sold 100 Taycans in the last 12 months alone.

99% of people spending that money aren’t petrolheads, they have money to spend and want ‘the latest’ - EVs are massively in vogue at the moment

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118126462#Comment_118126462

Public charging isn't as important as you might think the majority of ev charging is done at home.

Change from the etron , not sure yet , maybe a taycan , model Y wouldnt be of interest, the aesthetic doesn't appeal nor does Tesla build quality and if I still need space and something like a taycan isn't a runner then model Y won't be on the running. IX3 is on a mixed platform and much smaller than the etron ditto the eqc. Maybe bmws ix when it comes out, not sure to be honest!

The etron is q7 \ range Rover sized with a massive boot, it's on its own in EV land outside the model x. Maybe go for another etron !

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118063028#Comment_118063028

And it's gone.

wotzgoingon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144176#Comment_118144176

Damn I was just about to buy it too....

Cyrus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118144176#Comment_118144176

thats me told 😁