Eir rural FTTH thread

Pique

pegasus1 wrote: »

Fact!

Mod's, should there be an FAQ standalone thread...

Balls :mad:

guil

Pique wrote: »

Balls :mad:

In my mind the blue lines mean sweet feck all yet.

plodder

ED E wrote: »

All or nothing. Your existing line runs parallel to the blue, doesn't connect. You either get [150/300/1000Mb] or are left with the existing service.

Say your house is on the blue line, but you have a very long driveway/entrance, is there a limit on how far they will run the spur up to your house?

Also, those three speed options - is that based purely on the package you are willing to pay for, or are there other constraints?

ED E

plodder wrote: »

Say your house is on the blue line, but you have a very long driveway/entrance, is there a limit on how far they will run the spur up to your house?

Also, those three speed options - is that based purely on the package you are willing to pay for, or are there other constraints?

Purely packages. its the way eir have chosen to price/market it. They could have picked 500/750/1000 if they wished.

If you've a long drive way with existing poles used for a copper line they should just hang it for you, if not then you'll be instructed to duct the route and call them when its ready, same as for regular line provides I assume.

damienirel

bk wrote: »

Three years ago Eir announced they were going to connect 1.6 million homes to FTTC/VDASL by 2016 and they have achieved exactly that. It was one of the fastest rollouts of FTTC anywhere in the world.

The fact that you personally haven't been sorted yet is irrelevant in the bigger picture. I know that sucks for you, but such is life.

I love that you think I'm the only dissatisfied eir/com customer! And that it only sucks for me.

damienirel

Gonzo wrote: »

If they manage to get the first 100,000 rural homes up and running with FTTH by the completion date of March 2017 for this first phase I will be extremely impressed. Seems they are going ahead with rural fibre almost a year before we thought they would with many homes due to be connected in time for Christmas.

If that happens I will eat my hat -defo!

ED E

damienirel wrote: »

I love that you think I'm the only dissatisfied eir/com customer! And that it only sucks for me.

He doesn't, and he's right.

We were one of the first exchanges to get DSL, a blazing 1Mb, but were soon after left at 4.6Mb sync for the guts of a decade before UPC bailed us out. I can empathize with T/E / eircom issues of the past and the crap that went on, but modern OpenEir has got its act together big time (bar the debt, and using KNN, but theyre working on it) and are now leading the way in some aspects. They've worked with Huawei to deploy a really solid product with NGA and blitz this rural dwelling backward little Island at the back arse of Europe. We could have it a LOT worse.

Gonzo

KOR101 wrote: »

Say Eir win one region, lose another.

In the winning region, Eir will scrap any earlier date than the NBP schedule (starts 2017) for those houses. Why? Because all spare resources will be piled into connections in the losing region.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's great that Eir have been forced to do something real about their earlier announcement (probably to support any needed legal claim). And, they really do have a recent track record of delivering.

I hope that doesnt happen! Im willing to believe that they will deliver on this first phase of FTTH on time or close to it, hopefully all the exchanges listed will have work starting by the summer! They did a good job on the FTTC with the only hold ups being planning etc.

tsue921i8wljb3

I have a question about cable deployment. I have noticed that where eir lines cross ESB lines that the eir line is usually buried underground in ducting between poles. Does anybody know what is planned to get the fibre cable through this ducting? Can it be blown or manually pushed through given that the ducting usually ends half way up the pole? I know fibre is relatively delicate with regards to bending.

Also these pole ducts look to be pretty tight on space. What cable diameter will be used on poles?

damienirel

ED E wrote: »

He doesn't, and he's right.

We were one of the first exchanges to get DSL, a blazing 1Mb, but were soon after left at 4.6Mb sync for the guts of a decade before UPC bailed us out. I can empathize with T/E / eircom issues of the past and the crap that went on, but modern OpenEir has got its act together big time (bar the debt, and using KNN, but theyre working on it) and are now leading the way in some aspects. They've worked with Huawei to deploy a really solid product with NGA and blitz this rural dwelling backward little Island at the back arse of Europe. We could have it a LOT worse.

This backward little island you speak of is home to some of some of the best tech people in the world - the Collisons grew up down the road from me the same road that has 2 meg internet. Don't tell me that the Irish people don't deserve more. I hope you're right about eir - but hope is all there is.

Pique

damienirel wrote: »

the Collisons grew up down the road from me the same road that has 2 meg internet. .

sshhhh, you'll give Eircom an excuse not to bump you up. Sure those lads did grand with 2meg BB.

damienirel

Pique wrote: »

sshhhh, you'll give Eircom an excuse not to bump you up. Sure those lads did grand with 2meg BB.

Don't worry eircom don't need excuses.

Oafley Jones

So, I've only just discovered this thread and FTTH. We're currently suffering with Novabroadband and this gave me a glimmer of hope. And then I checked the map. Blue lines run to houses 700metres and 1.3km either side of us. I take it they'll only connect those running right besides the lines? Am I doomed to have terrible broadband forever?

KOR101

Oafley Jones wrote: »

So, I've only just discovered this thread and FTTH. We're currently suffering with Novabroadband and this gave me a glimmer of hope. And then I checked the map. Blue lines run to houses 700metres and 1.3km either side of us. I take it they'll only connect those running right besides the lines? Am I doomed to have terrible broadband forever?

No, it just means you'll have to wait for the National Broadband Plan. Contract wiiners will be announced during the summer, connections 2017-2020.

mcquaim

loyatemu wrote: »

are you near the blue dot?

Can I just ask about this image!

With fibre once you go over 2km you might as well not have fibre at all.

With this new cabinet most of the blue lines that run from it reach beyond this 2km limit.

So, why would they bother if it wouldn't be much use at that distance?

rob808

Oafley Jones wrote: »

So, I've only just discovered this thread and FTTH. We're currently suffering with Novabroadband and this gave me a glimmer of hope. And then I checked the map. Blue lines run to houses 700metres and 1.3km either side of us. I take it they'll only connect those running right besides the lines? Am I doomed to have terrible broadband forever?

Dont worry your not the only one there loads doomed plus eir plan could feck up the hole NBP.If I was a bidder I would go after all the areas eir has plan in 2017-2020 which probably will happen.

511

mcquaim wrote: »

Can I just ask about this image!

With fibre once you go over 2km you might as well not have fibre at all.

With this new cabinet most of the blue lines that run from it reach beyond this 2km limit.

So, why would they bother if it wouldn't be much use at that distance?

You're confusing Eir's FTTC rollout with its FTTH rollout. eFibre (FTTC) isn't actually fibre. It's a fibre-copper hybrid. The fibre only runs to your local cabinet and then it's copper from there on

Eir is now rolling out FTTH and is 100% fibre, which has a range of 20km or so.

mcquaim

511 wrote: »

You're confusing Eir's FTTC rollout with its FTTH rollout. eFibre (FTTC). isn't actually fibre. It's a fibre-copper hybrid The fibre only runs to your local cabinet and then it's copper from there on

Eir is now rolling out FTTH and is 100% fibre, which has a range of 20km or so.

I don't think this is FTTH though as they are saying its going to be available shortly!

So if it's FTTC and the range is over 2km why would they bother?

plodder

mcquaim wrote: »

I don't think this is FTTH though as they are saying its going to be available shortly!

So if it's FTTC and the range is over 2km why would they bother?

The blue lines are fibre along roads directly to people's homes. The range is up to 20km approx.

It's a bit misleading for Eir to claim that Murrisk (in Mayo) is part of the FTTH rollout, when the blue line comes out of the exchange and proceeds west along the Louisburgh Road. The majority of houses in the village are actually to the east in the Westport direction!

mcquaim

plodder wrote: »

The blue lines are fibre along roads directly to people's homes. The range is up to 20km approx.

It's more confusing then as if it's FTTH why on the Extreme page line checker does it say fibre will be available between Jan-Mar 2016...

I think the database must be wrong as I'm not aware of any works currently out that direction but strange that all numbers I've checked along those routes all give the same date..

I'll just have to wait and see!!

KOR101

It's good to see that Eir's motives are being questioned, but trying to 'corner their share of the market' is better than no broadband at all.

Donegal TD raises concerns about Eir's broadband promises to rural areas

Recently elected Donegal TD, Deputy Thomas Pringle, has raised concerns about Eir's recent announcement that rural residents will see broadband rolled out across Donegal by the end of this year.

In total, 300,000 homes nationwide have been promised high speed internet, including 14,000 residents in Donegal, however these homes have already been earmarked for the rural broadband scheme established by the outgoing government.

Deputy Pringle explained: "Eir is now in direct competition with the Government’s own Rural Broadband strategy which can only work in areas that are deemed commercially unviable. EU state rules forbid any intervention by a Government to an area if a private operator is there already. If the Government is in breach of funding rules this could put funding in jeopardy for intervention in areas deemed definitively unviable such as isolated island communities and remote areas. If private operators encroach on rural areas the Government has already promised to connect what will this mean for places like Arainn Mhór and Tory Islands?"

"It may seem like welcome news that 24 communities in Donegal such as Donegal Town, Fintown, Killybegs, Ballybofey, Lifford and Ardara will be connected under Eir’s plan but we should be asking the question why a private company is so eager to provide broadband to rural areas all of a sudden.

"The Government strategy was established in the first place because companies deemed certain areas commercially unviable. I suspect this is an attempt by private companies to corner their share of the market and that they may be aware they are dealing with potentially inferior technology compared to fibre wrapped broadband. At the end of the day Donegal must not lose out because of private company dominance.

"My broadband policy document maintains that’s why we need broadband roll out prioritised to rural areas first so they are not at risk of losing out due to unforeseen events and to enable communities to compete on an even playing field."

http://www.donegalnow.com/news/donegal-td-raises-concerns-about-eirs-broadband-promises-to-rural-areas/77994

MBSnr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's a bit misleading for Eir to claim that Murrisk (in Mayo) is part of the FTTH rollout, when the blue line comes out of the exchange and proceeds west along the Louisburgh Road. The majority of houses in the village are actually to the east in the Westport direction!

I just don't see how in the whole of Mayo there are only 4 locations listed and their logic of choosing them!
Murrisk?!?! Just down the road from Westport which is on the list. Kind of odd... Although not as strange as choosing Cornamona, Galway with only 100 houses, pretty much in the arse of nowhere. I mean they're hardly getting in before UPC snaps then up....

Castlebar must be fairly covered in the town, so must be doing the outskirts. That I can understand I guess.

Also Belcarra which was the pilot, so surely has been mostly done. Why not add another few villages or towns instead in another part of Mayo? Seems to me one of the largest counties has got the short straw compared to the list in, say, Kerry. Just look at Donegal....14,240 premises!

I'm just surprised they completely ignored other major towns and villages... Obviously including mine....!!

jd

Deleted User wrote:

It's a bit misleading for Eir to claim that Murrisk (in Mayo) is part of the FTTH rollout, when the blue line comes out of the exchange and proceeds west along the Louisburgh Road. The majority of houses in the village are actually to the east in the Westport direction!

I think houses to the east will have vdsl from the exchange, it says under construction.

Gonzo

KOR101 wrote: »

It's good to see that Eir's motives are being questioned, but trying to 'corner their share of the market' is better than no broadband at all.

Very true, with Eir I am now within a chance of seeing FTTH sometime hopefully within the next 12 months, with the NBP it couldve been another 4-5 years and what if a company like Imagine won so Im all up for Eir getting the finger out and actually doing something about it sooner.

Gonzo

I spent some time counting up all the homes and premises along the blue lines in the Dunshaughlin exchange and as far as the exchange boundary where it joins up with Ratoath exchange and I counted about 540 homes/premises out of a proposed 570 FTTH homes/premises so its safe to say everyone on the blue lines in the Dunshaughlin exchange has been accounted for! I didnt include any homes along blue lines inside the town where there is FTTC cabinets and I wasnt sure to include Batterstown which I think is its own exchange and on Eirs Map they are down as 2017-2020.

plodder

On the other hand, you could argue that the technology for FTTH has only recently become mature enough now to be deployable economically. Five years ago, copper wire based DSL was the only game if I'm not mistaken and the picture looked pretty bleak for rural consumers outside the limited range of DSL. It's really quite a revolution and amazing to think that rural consumers might end up with better broadband than urban ones. Either way, it's an amazing turnaround and should be welcomed however it came about.

legocrazy505

plodder wrote: »

On the other hand, you could argue that the technology for FTTH has only recently become mature enough now to be deployable economically. Five years ago, copper wire based DSL was the only game if I'm not mistaken and the picture looked pretty bleak for rural consumers outside the limited range of DSL. It's really quite a revolution and amazing to think that rural consumers might end up with better broadband than urban ones. Either way, it's an amazing turnaround and should be welcomed however it came about.

The only reason "rural" consumers could end up with better broadband though is the government pushing the likes of Eir to get off their backsides and either work for the whole country or kiss goodbye to the market share outside of Dublin. To be honest for me personally, Eir's FTTH plan doesn't include my village at all so personally I feel both their plan and the NBP have a lack of ambition.

plodder

legocrazy505 wrote: »

The only reason "rural" consumers could end up with better broadband though is the government pushing the likes of Eir to get off their backsides and either work for the whole country or kiss goodbye to the market share outside of Dublin. To be honest for me personally, Eir's FTTH plan doesn't include my village at all so personally I feel both their plan and the NBP have a lack of ambition.

I suppose what's revolutionary about it, is that the technology is so simple and with 20km range, it must surely be the case, that sooner or later all rural areas will get it, if not this time round. Agree it must be frustrating though. Where I live Eir(com) haven't provided broadband of any description up to now. I only managed to get it myself by having a legacy ISDN line that was patched through to the next exchange area which does have broadband, and it is very slow.

Johnboy1951

legocrazy505 wrote: »

The only reason "rural" consumers could end up with better broadband though is the government pushing the likes of Eir to get off their backsides and either work for the whole country or kiss goodbye to the market share outside of Dublin. To be honest for me personally, Eir's FTTH plan doesn't include my village at all so personally I feel both their plan and the NBP have a lack of ambition.

I don't hear anyone calling for the ESB/Vod to get a good kicking ....... and they are doing absolutely nothing at all for rural dwellers!

At least eir are actually doing something!

BTW .... I really would like this thread to be for FTTH and not just Eir FTTH