Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II **off topic discussion**

Hunterbiker

RobFowl wrote: »

At a conference on concussion, wonder how long before someone mentions cycling and helmets !

And then followed by hi-viz...

Eamonnator

RobFowl wrote: »

At a conference on concussion, wonder how long before someone mentions cycling and helmets !

I'll say 34 minutes.

RobFowl

Eamonnator wrote: »

I'll say 34 minutes.

Was less than that

No mention of high viz yet though

Darkglasses

What about using the footpad?

tomasrojo

Rugby getting much of a mention?

RobFowl

tomasrojo wrote: »

Rugby getting much of a mention?

Rugby seems the main focus, most of data seems to be from the States and American football based.

tomasrojo

That's what I would have assumed, based on the academic discussions online. Lot of interest in brain damage in the NFL.

tomasrojo

Of course, the NFL isn't directly comparable to rugby, in some ways. More protective equipment, including helmets, funnily enough.

RobFowl

tomasrojo wrote: »

Of course, the NFL isn't directly comparable to rugby, in some ways. More protective equipment, including helmets, funnily enough.

One of the big things from AFL is that helmets have no protective effect at all on concussion

ThisRegard

tomasrojo wrote: »

Of course, the NFL isn't directly comparable to rugby, in some ways. More protective equipment, including helmets, funnily enough.

Isn't that part of the reason for a high level of concussions, players smack into each other with much less care and consideration to themselves and others, as they believe the equipment protects them, than what they would do without it.

tomasrojo

I think that it goes beyond taking less care: they started using head-ramming tactics after the adoption of helmets. So I've read anyway. I don't know a lot about NFL apart from what I read.

RobFowl

ThisRegard wrote: »

Isn't that part of the reason for a high level of concussions, players smack into each other with much less care and consideration to themselves and others, as they believe the equipment protects them, than what they would do without it.

NFL have noted reports and documented athletes being coached to and using helmets as "weapons". Apparantly sanction against this now.

RobFowl

tomasrojo wrote: »

I think that it goes beyond taking less care: they started using head-ramming tactics after the adoption of helmets. So I've read anyway. I don't know a lot about NFL apart from what I read.

Beat me to it but that's what was presented .

ThisRegard

tomasrojo wrote: »

they started using head-ramming tactics after the adoption of helmets.

RobFowl wrote: »

NFL have noted reports and documented athletes being coached to and using helmets as "weapons". Apparantly sanction against this now.

Yeah, I was going to add that myself but I wasn't sure how prevalent it was as I don't watch it that often. I wasn't sure if the times I did see it happen wasn't just put into a look at this mad stuff that happens in NFL type package show.

Beasty

RobFowl wrote: »

At a conference on concussion, wonder how long before someone mentions cycling and helmets !

Did anyone suggest helmets provide significant protection from concussion? (I see your comment about the AFL, and what you mention is certainly my understanding - you can get concussion with absolutely no impact to the head as it's typically caused by the brain bouncing off the inside of the skull and helmets cannot protect from that - although you'll know a lot more about it than me)

Also curious whether there are moves in the cycling world to stop racers getting back on their bikes if there is any suggestion of concussion (may already be a rule, but it seems to me that riders or teams are either oblivious to or ignore it if there is one)

Alek

I haven't been involved in any graphic design job for like 10 years, and then suddenly...





https://www.facebook.com/Irish-Cyclocross-861838950495588/timeline/

tomasrojo

RobFowl will know this much better than I do, but I believe there were or are competing theories about the causes of concussion. One was coup contrecoup, where the brain whacks off the inside of the skull, resulting in localised contusions, and the other was related to shearing of layers in the brain, which is caused more by rotational acceleration. The latter is generally more destructive, and more associated with concussion. That's my limited understanding anyway.
http://www.cordingleyneurology.com/contuseconcuss.html

Apparently woodpeckers avoid concussion by lining up their beaks perfectly with the target wood every blow, avoiding oblique impacts that would impart rotation to the brain.

Raam

Alek wrote: »

I haven't been involved in any graphic design job for like 10 years, and then suddenly...





https://www.facebook.com/Irish-Cyclocross-861838950495588/timeline/

Cycloc Ross? Who is he?

Qualitymark

Alek wrote: »

I haven't been involved in any graphic design job for like 10 years, and then suddenly...

Verra nice. Are the posters available anywhere?

Lusk_Doyle

Raam wrote: »

Cycloc Ross? Who is he?

He's Irish. If that helps narrow it down?

The Black Oil

Isn't yer man who is the CEO of the NFL a bit of a chancer? Meanwhile, one US college trains with a robot.

Alek

Are the posters available anywhere?

Its just a logo for a facebook page, but if you wish I can send you a high res version for printing

Cycloc Ross? Who is he?

He's Irish. If that helps narrow it down?

Lol

magicbastarder

ThisRegard wrote: »

Isn't that part of the reason for a high level of concussions, players smack into each other with much less care and consideration to themselves and others, as they believe the equipment protects them, than what they would do without it.

isn't the use of boxing gloves linked to a higher level of brain injury in boxing? thought to be caused by fights going on longer than they should due to a lack of visible damage; plus you can throw more weight with a heavily gloved hand.

link_2007

tomasrojo wrote: »

I think that it goes beyond taking less care: they started using head-ramming tactics after the adoption of helmets. So I've read anyway. I don't know a lot about NFL apart from what I read.

The Freakonomics podcast have a good episode on this called 'The Dangers of Safety'

Qualitymark

Nuala O'Faolain brings her nieces on a little cycle

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/summers-past-nuala-o-faolain-cycles-from-dublin-to-lahinch-1989-1.2320949

And Rás Tailteann champion of the 1960s Iron Mick dies

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/video-legendary-cyclist-iron-man-mick-murphy-dies-353401.html

Melodeon

magicbastarder wrote: »

isn't the use of boxing gloves linked to a higher level of brain injury in boxing? thought to be caused by fights going on longer than they should due to a lack of visible damage; plus you can throw more weight with a heavily gloved hand.

In Ye Olden Days of bareknuckle boxing when matches went on until someone quit or couldn't continue, punching your opponent in the head/jaw was a pretty good way of loosing a fight.
Contrary to what Hollywood would have us believe, hand and wrist bones are much more delicate and fragile than skulls, and a broken hand (or two!) will lead to your defeat in short order.
Gloves were introduced to protect boxers hands, but allowed for much harder blows to the head, leading to the almost commonplace phenomenon up to quite recently of the punch-drunk 'retired' boxer.

Qualitymark

Ye olden days? Aren't the poorest in Ireland still performing these bouts?

Melodeon

Qualitymark wrote: »

Ye olden days? Aren't the poorest in Ireland still performing these bouts?

The problem with that crowd is trying to diagnose whether the brain injury was acquired or inherent

Qualitymark

Melodeon wrote: »

The problem with that crowd is trying to diagnose whether the brain injury was acquired or inherent

I know you were joking, but still have to say - Travellers don't have any lack of intelligence. There are some Travellers that are big trouble, but the people most troubled by them are other Travellers.

Melodeon

Of course!
I meant the crowd who participate in the sort of ridiculous 'calling out' nonsense so popularly posted on YouTube.