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Match Thread: Ireland v Wales [2.30pm 29/08/15 Aviva Stadium] Guinness Series

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    #662
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    awec wrote: »
    I am basing the fact he was awful yesterday on the one game yesterday in fairness. :D

    Schmidt doesn't agree with you. Name checked Jordi as having had a good game.


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    #663
    awec
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    .ak wrote: »
    I keep reading comments like "I'm not onboard the fitz hype train" etc., and I wonder... What hype train? He certainly isn't as hyped as the likes of Zebo. And I'm not going to write an essay on what I see him in.. But I'll just say this; no other Irish back bar BOD has the same awareness of the game. I wouldn't be surprised to see if Luke tops the rucking point for yesterday's game. I lost count on the amount of ball he secured. But people aren't impressed by that. That's fine, they want to see flashy bod moves... Fine. Or if he's on the wing they want to see loads of tries and ooh-aha moments and heel flicks. Thankfully joe sees things different. What fitz brings is something that benefits those around him, he'll almost always take the right option. He's step and handling is massively beneficial to the team. That pass in the 2nd half to sexton was far more than just a good looking pass, his awareness of the situation is the thing that stands out there.
    Ah come on now. You can't say what hype train and then say in the next sentence that only BOD has the same awareness of the game as him.

    If he were that good he wouldn't be fighting for a squad place behind a guy whose best position is full back. If he were that good he'd be nailed on as our 13 and wouldn't be being tried out in different positions to see where he can realistically cover at this level.

    If he does make it in the 31 (no guarantee) there's a good chance he doesn't even make it into our first choice 23 depending on who else travels.

    I am not expecting fireworks, nor saying that he's a bad player (he is a very good player), but he is over rated (along with a few others)


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    #664
    Wang King
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Schmidt doesn't agree with you. Name checked Jordi as having had a good game.

    Probably just to boost his confidence and take the journalistic heat off him
    ;(


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    #665
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    Wang King wrote: »
    Probably just to boost his confidence and take the journalistic heat off him
    ;(

    Probably because he had a good game, was a top tackler etc..

    Oh no, Schmidt just wanted to cheer him up on national TV. Jesus.


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    #666
    total former
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    awec wrote: »
    If he were that good he wouldn't be fighting for a squad place behind a guy whose best position is full back. If he were that good he'd be nailed on as our 13 and wouldn't be being tried out in different positions to see where he can realistically cover at this level.

    This sort of assumes Joe rates him the same as boards.ie, but we've seen so many instances where that simply isn't the case. I presume the "guy whose best position is full back" is Earls, but I don't know why people are so sure he is ahead of Fitzgerald?


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    #667
    Wang King
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Probably because he had a good game, was a top tackler etc..

    Oh no, Schmidt just wanted to cheer him up on national TV. Jesus.

    He definitely looked like he needed a cuddle ;)


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    #668
    case885
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    total former wrote:
    This sort of assumes Joe rates him the same as boards.ie, but we've seen so many instances where that simply isn't the case. I presume the "guy whose best position is full back" is Earls, but I don't know why people are so sure he is ahead of Fitzgerald?


    I think he meant Payne.
    Whichever of the two is seen as back up 13 will go imo.


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    #669
    Tox56
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    awec wrote: »
    Ah come on now. You can't say what hype train and then say in the next sentence that only BOD has the same awareness of the game as him.

    If he were that good he wouldn't be fighting for a squad place behind a guy whose best position is full back. If he were that good he'd be nailed on as our 13 and wouldn't be being tried out in different positions to see where he can realistically cover at this level.

    If he does make it in the 31 (no guarantee) there's a good chance he doesn't even make it into our first choice 23 depending on who else travels.

    I am not expecting fireworks, nor saying that he's a bad player (he is a very good player), but he is over rated (along with a few others)

    There is a chance he doesn't make it into our first choice 23, but there's also a chance he starts, as he did in our last game of any significance, there are a lot of good players and a lot of tight calls. If this is a discussion on his ability, while he is currently behind Payne as first choice 13, I don't think he is lacking in the ability to be our first choice 13, his performance yesterday was pretty much exactly what we saw from Payne through the six nations.


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    #670
    total former
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    case885 wrote: »
    I think he meant Payne.
    Whichever of the two is seen as back up 13 will go imo.

    Oh right, that makes more sense. My bad.


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    #671
    awec
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    There is a chance he doesn't make it into our first choice 23, but there's also a chance he starts, as he did in our last game of any significance, there are a lot of good players and a lot of tight calls. If this is a discussion on his ability, while he is currently behind Payne as first choice 13, I don't think he is lacking in the ability to be our first choice 13, his performance yesterday was pretty much exactly what we saw from Payne through the six nations.

    There is every chance in our strongest 23 that he is not there.

    Trimble, Bowe and maybe even Dave Kearney are ahead of him on the wings. The fact he is still being considered at centre suggests we are still trying to see where he can cover as opposed to him having a wing nailed down.

    Payne is ahead of him in the centre.

    He has no guarantee at all of being #23. It could just as easily be Earls.


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    #672
    CatFromHue
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    I don't think Fitzgerald is considered solely as a centre. Schmidt mentioned that both him and Earls were getting gametime on the wing and at 13 in the team announcement so my guess was both are going for the same spot in the squad. The wing and also back up 13.


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    #673
    awec
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    total former wrote: »
    This sort of assumes Joe rates him the same as boards.ie, but we've seen so many instances where that simply isn't the case. I presume the "guy whose best position is full back" is Earls, but I don't know why people are so sure he is ahead of Fitzgerald?

    That's exactly my point. I don't think he's actually as good as spoken about on here, otherwise his place in the 31 man squad wouldn't even be in question.

    On the flip side of the coin, players like Dave Kearney are better than they are actually rated on here (or were rated in the past).

    Felix Jones too seems to be a player who has been underrated in the past. Felix Jones is no world beater but unless I am mistaken he has more caps under Joe Schmidt than Luke Fitzgerald.


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    #674
    Buer
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    Stats updated now for yesterday's game (which don't take into account a hell of a lot of elements of play).

    Players who are under scrutiny:

    DK: 61m made, 0 clean breaks, 1 defender beaten, 1 offload, 0 turned over possession, 3 tackles made, 0 missed.
    LF: 18m made, 0 clean breaks, 0 defenders beaten, 0 offloads, 0 turned over possession, 8 tackles made, 0 missed.
    KE: 22m made, 0 clean breaks, 0 defenders beaten, 0 offloads, 4 possessions turned over, 6 tackles made, 1 missed.
    NW: all zeroes aside from 4 tackles made and 2 missed but can't really judge a prop on those stats!


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    #675
    Buer
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    Game is up on YouTube now. Well worth watching again. Has changed my initial perception of a couple of lads who were actually everywhere, stuck into a lot.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDj7X-zCzZI


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    #676
    Wang King
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    awec wrote: »
    That's exactly my point. I don't think he's actually as good as spoken about on here, otherwise his place in the 31 man squad wouldn't even be in question.

    On the flip side of the coin, players like Dave Kearney are better than they are actually rated on here (or were rated in the past).

    Felix Jones too seems to be a player who has been underrated in the past. Felix Jones is a world beater but unless I am mistaken he has more caps under Joe Schmidt than Luke Fitzgerald.

    I forgive your obvious typo
    :)


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    #677
    .ak
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    awec wrote: »
    Ah come on now. You can't say what hype train and then say in the next sentence that only BOD has the same awareness of the game as him.

    If he were that good he wouldn't be fighting for a squad place behind a guy whose best position is full back. If he were that good he'd be nailed on as our 13 and wouldn't be being tried out in different positions to see where he can realistically cover at this level.

    If he does make it in the 31 (no guarantee) there's a good chance he doesn't even make it into our first choice 23 depending on who else travels.

    I am not expecting fireworks, nor saying that he's a bad player (he is a very good player), but he is over rated (along with a few others)

    The reason he's fighting for a space (btw it's only us assuming he is fighting for a space) is because he's unfortunately coming back from another surgery.


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    #678
    kuang1
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Schmidt doesn't agree with you. Name checked Jordi as having had a good game.

    Actually guys if you listen back to the interview, he name checks Jordi, but immediately moves on. I remember thinking "Jordi Murphy? Really Joe?", and when I listened back again I actually wondered if it was actually a slip of the tongue on his part!! (I know...how many slips of the tongue is this guy guilty of so far...none?!)


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    #679
    Wang King
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    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/638003569308905472

    Well? Has Murray Kinsella got a point?


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    #680
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    Wang King wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/638003569308905472

    Well? Has Murray Kinsella got a point?

    No he doesn't, happens all the time. Ref's just had a bad day at the office.


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    #681
    Hagz
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    No.


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    #682
    total former
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    Wang King wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/638003569308905472

    Well? Has Murray Kinsella got a point?

    No.

    Jonny never stops remonstrating with every ref in every game.

    Tin foil hat stuff. POC broke a law that the refs have been told to crack down on. End of.


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    #683
    aimee1
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    http://www.independent.ie/videos/sport/video-joe-schmidt-reacts-to-gatlands-comments-about-the-irish-rugby-team-31488400.html

    Love the smiley reaction from JS


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    #684
    Hagz
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    POC didn't break the law btw. It was an incorrect call. Nothing wrong with stating that.


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    #685
    Interested Observer
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    Is there a clip of this POC incident anywhere? I saw it during the game and didn't think it was a penalty but would like to see it again.


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    #686
    molloyjh
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    total former wrote: »
    No.

    Jonny never stops remonstrating with every ref in every game.

    Tin foil hat stuff. POC broke a law that the refs have been told to crack down on. End of.

    He was pinged for clearing the Welshman out by the neck. He had him around the shoulders.


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    #687
    Hagz
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    Wang King wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/638003569308905472

    When on earth did this happen? I've gone through the first half twice now and I can't find it anywhere. I feel like I'm losing my marbles.

    EDIT: Oh jesus. I just copped that 10 mins of the first half have been cut out of my recording.


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    #688
    irishbucsfan
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    Hagz wrote: »
    When on earth did this happen? I've gone through the first half twice now and I can't find it anywhere. I feel like I'm losing my marbles.

    Looks like maybe just after POM and Fitzgerald won that penalty... Not sure exactly when that was


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    The Lost Sheep
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    Wang King wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/638003569308905472

    Well? Has Murray Kinsella got a point?
    No. He doesn't.
    Hagz wrote: »
    POC didn't break the law btw. It was an incorrect call. Nothing wrong with stating that.
    He did. What was incorrect about the call?


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    #690
    Hagz
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    He did. What was incorrect about the call?

    Can you tell me what was correct about the call?


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    #691
    Hagz
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Looks like maybe just after POM and Fitzgerald won that penalty... Not sure exactly when that was

    Found it. 31st minute. Welsh player sealed off the ball in the previous ruck.


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