Leaving Dogs outside all day

RobertKK

I had 3 of my 4 work dogs stolen last December, they do be out all day which is natural for them. I was so down for a good while after it.
My dogs get milk everyday, the washings milk with water it as part of the cleaning of the milking machine after milking. The cats love it too.

My uncle who also had his dogs outside all the time had one that would suck a cow, before the days of youtube, or I would have a youtube sensation on my hands and we didn't have a video recorder...

Keep them in all the time and you avoid both the good and bad...

lulu1

A man with a dog moved in oppisite us a few years ago. He had a large dog not sure what breed.

That poor dog lay in the garden morning noon and night even in the winter months with the hailstones and snow belting down on top of him.

He did take the dog foe a walk most days. Oh was talking to him one day and asked him about the dog sleeping outside. The man said that the dog would not come into the house but even so he could have provided some kind of shelter for him outside.

Andy From Sligo

RonanP77 wrote: »

Another load of crap, if a dog has always lived outside and has never been in the house then it doesn't know any different.

The main problem I have with your statement is the bit in Bold, you seem to be saying a dog that is kept outside will not be treated, or feel, like part of the family

There are a lot of dogs that live outside that are perfectly happy, they aren't being ignored, abused or treated badly.

I hate to see any animals in a house, I think it's dirty and it's not natural.

are you the dog whisperer lol - you dont really know what dogs 'like best' or whats good for dogs and as others have said all dogs are not the same.

its said that dogs are very faithful - I have seen dogs that have been abused still being faithful to humans, and some have been beaten and still will go up to their owners and wag their tail - that doesnt mean to say that the way they have been treated well - these poor dogs that have been outside in the damp and rain can end up with pneumonia and rheumatism in later life , so I dont agree that its the right things for dogs to be outside like this without ever being allowed into the house.

Yes, I suppose if they are dogs that have been kept outside most of the time they could be classed as 'Dirty' with muddy paws and god knows what parasite and ticks picked up from outside - we have dogs that come into the house they are not dirty, they are always washing, dont pee up stuff, they are a bit smelly and malt quite a bit but I reckon if they could talk they would say they are more contented at being inside in the daytime and at night - they love being outside for walks but sometimes when they are in the garden they have enough, bark then we let them in and they shut up - so maybe their barking is saying 'let us in!'

Roquentin

have to be careful they dont get stolen

RonanP77

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

are you the dog whisperer lol - you dont really know what dogs 'like best' or whats good for dogs and as others have said all dogs are not the same.

its said that dogs are very faithful - I have seen dogs that have been abused still being faithful to humans, and some have been beaten and still will go up to their owners and wag their tail - that doesnt mean to say that the way they have been treated well - these poor dogs that have been outside in the damp and rain can end up with pneumonia and rheumatism in later life , so I dont agree that its the right things for dogs to be outside like this without ever being allowed into the house.

Yes, I suppose if they are dogs that have been kept outside most of the time they could be classed as 'Dirty' with muddy paws and god knows what parasite and ticks picked up from outside - we have dogs that come into the house they are not dirty, they are always washing, dont pee up stuff, they are a bit smelly and malt quite a bit but I reckon if they could talk they would say they are more contented at being inside in the daytime and at night - they love being outside for walks but sometimes when they are in the garden they have enough, bark then we let them in and they shut up - so maybe their barking is saying 'let us in!'

Did you read anything after that post? I said the very same thing as the bit in bold an hour ago.

Bongalongherb

Maybe a new law should be implemented for the half majority of adults in Ireland that purchase a dog to give as a gift, or the other sponge-brained folk that haven't the slightest clue how to look after a dog. A competence test should be included for every person before they can own or bring up a dog. Maybe then the animal shelters won't be full to capacity and also have to destroy some dogs.

A bit of education to the sponges will help it all forward and hopefully extinguish the need for dog rescue centres. Even by half would be good.

LadyFenghuang

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Treating a dog as akin to a person is silly IMO, but I hate the other, "hard", utilitarian attitude towards dogs too.

For a domesticated dog, somewhere in between seems fairest IMO.

It's actually just as bad to treat animals as humans they need different care.

LadyFenghuang

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Maybe a new law should be implemented for the half majority of adults in Ireland that purchase a dog to give as a gift, or the other sponge-brained folk that haven't the slightest clue how to look after a dog. A competence test should be included for every person before they can own or bring up a dog. Maybe then the animal shelters won't be full to capacity and also have to destroy some dogs.

A bit of education to the sponges will help it all forward and hopefully extinguish the need for dog rescue centres. Even by half would be good.

I think neutering and only allowing planned breeding would be a good idea in this country.

LadyFenghuang

Bongalongherb wrote: »

hopefully extinguish the need for dog rescue centres. Even by half would be good.

By half would be amazing! Actually what would really be amazing is if the extreme nature of some cases were things we didn't see. And if people were sensible about type of pets they can have. Horses are not for the majority too expensive and too much work.

Mark Tapley

A lot of rescues wont rehome dogs to people who keep them outside.

Swanley

Swanley says treat animal like person. Not like human. Swanley says, what is person anyway?

borderlinemeath

RonanP77 wrote: »

Another load of crap, if a dog has always lived outside and has never been in the house then it doesn't know any different.

It's really not as black and white as you think. Dogs have been bred for thousands of years as companion animals. Fine if you spend your time outdoors with them, not so good if you barely give them any interaction during the day. Just because you have decided to keep a companion animal away from its companions and it has resigned itself to a life of solitude does not make it right.

The main problem I have with your statement is the bit in Bold, you seem to be saying a dog that is kept outside will not be treated, or feel, like part of the family

There are a lot of dogs that live outside that are perfectly happy, they aren't being ignored, abused or treated badly.

I hate to see any animals in a house, I think it's dirty and it's not natural.

How do you know that the dog is "perfectly happy"? If they are happier inside with their humans then there is nothing wrong with that.

As for your opinion that having dogs in the house is dirty and not natural, nothing could be further from the truth. Having a dog living as part of the family environment has been proven to boost the immune system, particularly of babies and children. Babies are born with only their mothers immunity and their immune system develops within their natural environment. Living with pets has been scientifically proven to boost immune systems whereas children who live in "sterile" homes that are kept too clean are the ones that succumb to viruses and illnesses and are far more likely to develop asthma and other respiratory illnesses.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/09/study-why-dogs-and-cats-make-babies-healthier/

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/news/20120709/many-babies-healthier-in-homes-with-dogs

http://www.isciencetimes.com/articles/3375/20120709/dogs-boost-children-s-immune-system.htm

Bongalongherb

LadyFenghuang wrote: »

I think neutering and only allowing planned breeding would be a good idea in this country.

Well every single dog from all rescue centres are neutered in this case, but it is up to the other folk out there when they get a dog to neuter it, but as you know, they just don't understand the basics of this.

They need to be educated in regards to the case of animal shelters and how they are trying to cope in regards to... Giving a puppy as a gift, and when the dog gets bigger they dump it.

They don't understand that all animal shelters in Ireland are at breaking point because of said uneducated folk.

Andy From Sligo

lulu1 wrote: »

A man with a dog moved in oppisite us a few years ago. He had a large dog not sure what breed.

That poor dog lay in the garden morning noon and night even in the winter months with the hailstones and snow belting down on top of him.

He did take the dog foe a walk most days. Oh was talking to him one day and asked him about the dog sleeping outside. The man said that the dog would not come into the house but even so he could have provided some kind of shelter for him outside.

Well thats what I class as animal abuse - out in all weathers in the elements without even a shelter - whether the dog wanted to come in or not was/is irrelevant - and is/was that very 'convenient' for the owner that the dog would not come into the house plus when your an owner of a dog you have to be the leader - im sure if the owner slowly introduced the dog into coming into the house in the end the dog would become accustomed to it and i the end it would be the best decision all round ...

maggiepip

Dogs are domesticated animals, they are social creatures, they need and crave interaction and attention. It is desperately wrong to get a dog and stick it outside alone 24/7. Thats where the problem lies, dogs living out their days isolated, bored and lonely, and so many dogs live these lives its disgraceful.

Bongalongherb

Mark Tapley wrote: »

A lot of rescues wont rehome dogs to people who keep them outside.

The rescue centre I got my dog from sends a person or two out to your abode to make sure it has a decent garden and a nice home, they are very particular, and they will never give the dog unless everything is in good order.

Some people will lie regarding living in a flat/apartment saying they have a house with garden, but they get caught-out very quickly and they are outright refused.

Bongalongherb

Swanley wrote: »

Swanley says treat animal like person. Not like human. Swanley says, what is person anyway?

I feel like I'm replying to the Echelon computer system ?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Mark Tapley wrote: »

A lot of rescues wont rehome dogs to people who keep them outside.

Well bigger fools them.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

maggiepip wrote: »

Dogs are domesticated animals, they are social creatures, they need and crave interaction and attention. It is desperately wrong to get a dog and stick it outside alone 24/7. Thats where the problem lies, dogs living out their days isolated, bored and lonely, and so many dogs live these lives its disgraceful.

You know cattle are domesticated animals too, right? No room in my house for any however.


Who said anything about the dog being alone 24/7?

Pretzill

I'm not totally against leaving dogs outside once they get the company, warmth, attention and their needs are met. Dogs are social animals and many breeds like to be in on the action.

Walks, human interaction and a warm place to sleep of an evening is the least a pet deserves.

My two dogs are house dogs but they love the outdoors, however, it's not quite the same for them if we don't come along. This weather they'd sit outside all day until it's walk or play time or follow us around the garden looking for fun.

However they wouldn't entertain going out in the lashing rain or staying out on a stormy day and they like their home comforts.

We made the decision if we had dogs they would be part of the home. I know a neighbour who keeps little dogs (toy breeds) outside in all weathers even the minus ones and their constant barking and howling is disturbing. But some breeds don't mind the outdoors as I said once they have somewhere warm and comfortable to retreat to.

borderlinemeath

Eduardo Fierce Salt wrote: »

Well bigger fools them.

If you had any involvement in rescue you would understand why. Most of the dogs that end up in rescues that have been surrendered have been given up because they have developed behavioural problems associated with solitary living outside of their family unit. If they rehomed the dog to a home that was to keep the dog outside then the dog would highly likely bounce back to the rescue within a few months as the new home would find the behavioural problems too difficult to deal with. It's completely unfair on the dog to put it back in an environment that caused it problems in the first place.

LadyFenghuang

Bongalongherb wrote: »

They don't understand that all animal shelters in Ireland are at breaking point because of said uneducated folk.

I am well aware I volunteer. A couple of years ago they built a whole new building of kennels up in mount venus . The idea was to get rid of the old ones. But they now have to use both buildings.

tipparetops

Eduardo Fierce Salt wrote: »

You know cattle are domesticated animals too, right? No room in my house for any however.


Who said anything about the dog being alone 24/7?

Being fair, we dont eat dogs.

LadyFenghuang

maggiepip wrote: »

Dogs are domesticated animals, they are social creatures, they need and crave interaction and attention. It is desperately wrong to get a dog and stick it outside alone 24/7. Thats where the problem lies, dogs living out their days isolated, bored and lonely, and so many dogs live these lives its disgraceful.

There are pets that are less high maintenance.People should see what is best for their personality.

Bongalongherb

Eduardo Fierce Salt wrote: »

Well bigger fools them.

You have to understand that a lot of dogs in rescue centres have issues. Some of these dogs most probably have been abused and neglected and/or physically and mentally hurt, so re-homing them in the correct comfortable environment is essential.

LadyFenghuang

Or just admit they are not actually pet people which is perfectly fine so long as you don't get one.

buried

Eduardo Fierce Salt wrote: »

You know cattle are domesticated animals too, right? No room in my house for any however.

That's a ridiculous comparison. I suppose you don't have to bring the cattle for a walk either

LadyFenghuang

There are still stringent regulations as to how cattle are kept. And you can't keep cattle etc in residential areas. I don't see the comparison.

LadyFenghuang

Also cattle are herd animals who don't accept humans as part of the herd. Dogs are social animals who are at this stage more accepting of humans than dogs in their 'pack'.

Bongalongherb

Eduardo Fierce Salt wrote: »

You know cattle are domesticated animals too, right? No room in my house for any however.


Who said anything about the dog being alone 24/7?

You do know why the dog is called man's/woman's best friend don't you. It is because of their intelligence and understanding to its companion. Spend a few hours with a cow and see how well it goes.

poeticjustice

LadyFenghuang wrote: »

I think neutering and only allowing planned breeding would be a good idea in this country.

If this statement is referring to humans then I couldn't agree more!

This thread has gotten ridiculous. All sorts of crazy claims about people knowing exactly what dogs want best. When as usual the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

There is nothing wrong with certain dogs living outside provided they have proper care, attention and facilities. Likewise there is nothing wrong with some dogs living inside provided they are giving plenty of exercise and time outside also.

Of course some dogs are mistreated and that is unacceptable. But peoples opinions of what defines mistreatment are vary and often lack education. Or if not education, then lack knowledge of circumstances. Every dog is different, as has been mentioned already.

borderlinemeath

Bongalongherb wrote: »

You do know why the dog is called man's/woman's best friend don't you. It is because of their intelligence and understanding to its companion. Spend a few hours with a cow and see how well it goes.

Yep, that field of cattle across the road are fantastic retrieving that ball I threw, or even doing a bit of agility for treats.:D

LadyFenghuang

Bongalongherb wrote: »

You do know why the dog is called man's/woman's best friend don't you. It is because of their intelligence and understanding to its companion. Spend a few hours with a cow and see how well it goes.

Mount Venus rescued a Vietnamese pot bellied pig a few years ago from woman who fed it nothing but cheese. It doesn't like humans because they are very very shy. He has a friend not (another pig). There are regulations in licensing on what pigs can be fed etc.

Some animals don't actually like humans. Pigs are intelligent and social but they don't like people only other pigs.

And yes apparently she fed it nothing but cheese and it was MASSIVELY over weight ..even for a pig.

The Backwards Man

There's no way in hell I'd keep a dog if it didn't have piles of space and human interaction, but I wouldn't keep one in the house either, to me that's just cruel. Dogs are companions, not furniture.

LadyFenghuang

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There's no way in hell I'd keep a dog if it didn't have piles of space and human interaction, but I wouldn't keep one in the house either, to me that's just cruel. Dogs are companions, not furniture.

They need a mix of both. It does depend on the breed though. Ideally people should consult a vet instead of assuming they know. Dietary habits of dogs differ from breed to breed too. Mongrels can eat a wider variety of foods usually.

lulu1

.At this moment in time our dog is curled up on the sofa beside oh with a blanket over him to keep him warm. At bedtime he will lay in the bed down at the bottom beside our feet.

In the good weather he will lay at the front door all day and will only bark if he sees another dog that he dosent know passing or if he hears the gate opening.

He is walked 2 or 3 times a day but would not put his nose outside if it was raining.

borderlinemeath

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There's no way in hell I'd keep a dog if it didn't have piles of space and human interaction, but I wouldn't keep one in the house either, to me that's just cruel. Dogs are companions, not furniture.

If you are in the house then it's highly likely that your dog will want to be as well. Yes there's certain dogs that prefer to be outside, guarding breeds etc but even within those breeds there dogs that want to be with their humans. It's more cruel to keep your dog apart if it wants to be with you.

LadyFenghuang

This thread is getting weirdypants.

maggiepip

Eduardo Fierce Salt wrote: »

You know cattle are domesticated animals too, right? No room in my house for any however.


Who said anything about the dog being alone 24/7?

Cattle are herd animals and get their social interaction from the rest of the herd. As far as Im aware you're not actually legally allowed to keep a lone cow for welfare reasons.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Bongalongherb wrote: »

You have to understand that a lot of dogs in rescue centres have issues. Some of these dogs most probably have been abused and neglected and/or physically and mentally hurt, so re-homing them in the correct comfortable environment is essential.

You are still missing the point. Being inside does not automatically equate to comfort for a dog.
And I know all about rescue dogs, thanks.

The Backwards Man

borderlinemeath wrote: »

If you are in the house then it's highly likely that your dog will want to be as well. Yes there's certain dogs that prefer to be outside, guarding breeds etc but even within those breeds there dogs that want to be with their humans. It's more cruel to keep your dog apart if it wants to be with you.

The dog doesn't want to be in the house, the dog wants to be with you. Big difference.

Bongalongherb

LadyFenghuang wrote: »

Mount Venus rescued a Vietnamese pot bellied pig a few years ago from woman who fed it nothing but cheese. It doesn't like humans because they are very very shy. He has a friend not (another pig). There are regulations in licensing on what pigs can be fed etc.

Some animals don't actually like humans. Pigs are intelligent and social but they don't like people only other pigs.

And yes apparently she fed it nothing but cheese and it was MASSIVELY over weight ..even for a pig.

Jezz, I thought you were talking about me there for a minute, I'm a pig for cheese of all kinds, love cheese on toast - cheese on a bacon sandwich melted in hotly. Damn munchies again.

tipparetops

The Backwards Man wrote: »

The dog doesn't want to be in the house, the dog wants to be with you. Big difference.

maybe the owner should sleep outside every second night. :pac:

borderlinemeath

LadyFenghuang wrote: »

They need a mix of both. It does depend on the breed though. Ideally people should consult a vet instead of assuming they know. Dietary habits of dogs differ from breed to breed too. Mongrels can eat a wider variety of foods usually.

Vets don't necessarily have the behavioural know how about dogs, the majority of their training is anatomy and surgical, behavioural and nutrition barely get a mention in their studies. A good vet will recommend a qualified behaviourist if your dog has any issues. As for nutrition - they get most of their info from the sales reps of the foods they stock in their surgeries. There's way better foods available than the likes of Hills or RC. Better again feed raw or fresh. Vets don't recommend it as they don't profit from it.

lulu1

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There's no way in hell I'd keep a dog if it didn't have piles of space and human interaction, but I wouldn't keep one in the house either, to me that's just cruel. Dogs are companions, not furniture.

Would you make your companion sleep outside.

The Backwards Man

lulu1 wrote: »

Would you make your companion sleep outside.

In the open air, not a hope. In a bed that is warm and dry and snug and more comfortable than my own, without hesitation.

LadyFenghuang

maggiepip wrote: »

Cattle are herd animals and get their social interaction from the rest of the herd. As far as Im aware you're not actually legally allowed to keep a lone cow for welfare reasons.

Under the law the term 'Bull' is for any cow Bullock or Bull. They all need to be registered. Bulls , Bullocks and cows are regulated differently though. It's rare they are pets. You need things like herd numbers,tags papers etc. Even if they are not to be eaten.

They are complicated to get. There is criteria for a herd number. You need to have a piece of land etc. It's over one acre per cow or something.

It's more flexible with pigs and goats which is why animals services see more pigs and goats and almost never cows.

borderlinemeath

The Backwards Man wrote: »

The dog doesn't want to be in the house, the dog wants to be with you. Big difference.

So you're going to spend all your time outside with the dog? If you don't want to be cruel then you'll be outside a lot.

but I wouldn't keep one in the house either,

Bongalongherb

Eduardo Fierce Salt wrote: »

You are still missing the point. Being inside does not automatically equate to comfort for a dog.
And I know all about rescue dogs, thanks.

You might be missing the larger point... having a dog in the house doesn't mean the dog is Always in the house. For instance, a collie dog is a working dog and it needs a lot of exercise, 5 hours a day in intervals this dog is let loose in the valley with streams and forest all over the place. It's what you do, and the responsibility to make sure this is the case.

No-one said a house dog is kept 24/7 in the house.

Here's an environment below that is suitable. And many dog owners will make sure they get the exercise they need in a good environment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUxr642SO6w

LadyFenghuang

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Vets don't necessarily have the behavioural know how about dogs, the majority of their training is anatomy and surgical, behavioural and nutrition barely get a mention in their studies. A good vet will recommend a qualified behaviourist if your dog has any issues. As for nutrition - they get most of their info from the sales reps of the foods they stock in their surgeries. There's way better foods available than the likes of Hills or RC. Better again feed raw or fresh. Vets don't recommend it as they don't profit from it.

You would never come across a vet not used to being around dogs. Most common animals around. That is nonsense. It would only be rare animals some newer vets are not used to.

But there are vets who are known to have experience with these and you bring them to those after inquiring.

I know someone who has Degu for example one was extremely ill and unfortunately had to be put down. She was told to go to a particular female vet who had experience in handling them.