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What would you like the next referendum to legalise abortion or euthanasia?

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    #92
    No Voter And Proud
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭No Voter And Proud


    valoren wrote: »
    Why don't you be a good christian and forgive them?

    Although I'd like you to do the forgiving while they don't have to travel in the first place.

    God will judge us all on the last day, it's not for me to judge. But I can't accept the murderous acts of someone if they do not at least repent.


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    #93
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,019 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Yes to abortion up to third term. No to euthanasia.
    I think you just gave away your age there, love. Best put your phone down now and get that homework finished!


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    #94
    No Voter And Proud
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭No Voter And Proud


    smash wrote: »
    Name: No Voter And Proud
    Location: Castlerea

    Don't engage lads... it's not worth it.

    I'm actually from tisrara and work in castlerea most days but I didnt know what people put as there location.

    How and ever.... there's always one who runs out of debate and labels the other.


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    #95
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    God will judge us all on the last day, it's not for me to judge. But I can't accept the murderous acts of someone if they do not at least repent.

    Can you go back to /pol/ with the "degeneracy!" trolling?


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    #96
    Witcher
    Registered Users Posts: 14,472 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    God will judge us all on the last day, it's not for me to judge. But I can't accept the murderous acts of someone if they do not at least repent.

    Yet you judge people anyway.

    Bad Christian...bad! You're definitely in for a scourging on the last day for that.


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    #97
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,019 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    Now that, friends, is a daft argument.
    Man has dominion over other members of the animal kingdom - including bacteria.

    Yes John. :D


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    #98
    No Voter And Proud
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭No Voter And Proud


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Can you go back to /pol/ with the "degeneracy!" trolling?

    Interpol?
    Unfortunately they dont go after abortionists! :P


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    #99
    cloud493
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    Interpol?
    Unfortunately they dont go after abortionists! :P

    Considering its not a crime it'd be a fair waste of resources :)


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    #100
    ghostfacekilla
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    Maybe an option in the poll for 'both' would be handy.


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    #101
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,729 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Neither.


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    #102
    folamh
    Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    DareGod wrote: »
    I think assisted suicide is much more important than abortion. People are living / slowly dying with horrendous pain, and our nation is forcing them to do so, threatening prison and legal action if they seek help for a peaceful end to their pain. It's absolutely barbaric and I'm tired of it being trivialised.
    It is awful, but pregnancy, childbirth and involuntary parenthood aren't pain-free either. And in the third case, it affects you for a very long time, and in multiple domains (financial, social, etc).


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    #103
    shane7218
    Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭shane7218


    Blasphemy law needs to be removed immediately. It has no place in our constitution!


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    #104
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Link? Most people pick a pedantic miscalculation as proof that they're wrong, no?

    Here's the economist.

    http://www.economist.com/node/5246700

    It's all correlation anyway.


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    #105
    folamh
    Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    shane7218 wrote: »
    Blasphemy law needs to be removed immediately. It has no place in our constitution!
    I agree, but it's not as urgent as abortion and euthanasia. How has this law affected people's civil liberties in a practical sense, anyway? I've never heard of anyone coming into legal trouble for blaspheming. I do it all the time!


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    #106
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    volchitsa wrote: »
    I think you just gave away your age there, love. Best put your phone down now and get that homework finished!

    Well you got the phone bit right. I'll give you that.


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    #107
    shane7218
    Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭shane7218


    folamh wrote: »
    I agree, but it's not as urgent as abortion and euthanasia. How has this law affected people's civil liberties in a practical sense, anyway? I've never heard of anyone coming into legal trouble for blaspheming. I do it all the time!

    I agree its not as urgent but never the less it needs to be removed. It should be part of the next referendum held in the country. Aside from the usual suspects (Iona Institute) I cant see any opposition to its removal.


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    #108
    thee glitz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    Abortion is murder. It can only be morally defended on the grounds of saving a mother's life, and not on the basis of some spurious suicide risk.

    I'm not a fan of euthanasia either but the reality is that there are people in great pain who seek it and those who assist shouldn't be criminalised.


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    #109
    shane7218
    Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭shane7218


    thee glitz wrote: »
    Abortion is murder. It can only be morally defended on the grounds of saving a mother's life, and not on the basis of some spurious suicide risk.

    I'm not a fan of euthanasia either but the reality is that there are people in great pain who seek it and those who assist shouldn't be criminalised.

    Abortion is not murder, women travel all over the world to have abortions and it should be there choice not yours


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    #110
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,019 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Well you got the phone bit right. I'll give you that.

    So what's a third term then?


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    #111
    No Voter And Proud
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭No Voter And Proud


    shane7218 wrote: »
    Abortion is not murder, women travel all over the world to have abortions and it should be there choice not yours

    What do you call it then, infanticide?


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    #112
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,019 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    thee glitz wrote: »
    Abortion is murder. It can only be morally defended on the grounds of saving a mother's life, and not on the basis of some spurious suicide risk.

    I'm not a fan of euthanasia either but the reality is that there are people in great pain who seek it and those who assist shouldn't be criminalised.

    Removing article 40.3 from the constitution is not legalizing abortion. Abortion wasn't legal before that article was put in, was it?

    Secondly, if abortion is murder, how on earth is euthanasia not murder?


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    #113
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    What do you call it then, infanticide?

    Abortion, usually. Clue's right there in the fact that it's the word for it.


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    #114
    Eutow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Eutow


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    I don't see the need to allow abortion anyway.
    We've got transport to the UK for the unmentionables that would do that to a child, and for the rest of us there's Ireland.


    The Catholic indoctrination is strong in this one. The word in bold is exactly how the church saw a child born out of wedlock. All that caring for the unborn, but if a child is born to an unmarried mother, suddenly the church thinks that child is undeserving.

    Anyway, yes to getting rid of the 8th and yes to euthanasia.


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    #115
    shane7218
    Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭shane7218


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    What do you call it then, infanticide?

    Do you not think if a 16 year old girl is raped she should be entitled to an abortion? I mean a fetus doesen't even have a heart until 5 weeks into a pregnancy.


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    #116
    No Voter And Proud
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭No Voter And Proud


    shane7218 wrote: »
    Do you not think if a 16 year old girl is raped she should be entitled to an abortion? I mean a fetus doesen't even have a heart until 5 weeks into a pregnancy.

    A 16 year old girl cannot legally consent to an abortion anyway, as she is below the age at which she can legally enter into a contract.


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    #117
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    I don't see the need to allow abortion anyway.
    We've got transport to the UK for the unmentionables that would do that to a child, and for the rest of us there's Ireland.

    Those WOMEN are women you know, women like your mother, sister, girlfriend, women you work with, women you socialise with.


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    #118
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    A 16 year old girl cannot legally consent to an abortion anyway, as she is below the age at which she can legally enter into a contract.

    16 is the age at which a child/teen can make their own medical decisions.


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    #119
    No Voter And Proud
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭No Voter And Proud


    Sydney Chilly Magnate wrote: »
    Abortion, usually. Clue's right there in the fact that it's the word for it.

    Yes but he said it wasnt murder - which it clearly is. Especially in the second and third trimester. A viable child is being killed. Or "Aborted"


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    #120
    shane7218
    Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭shane7218


    No Voter And Proud wrote: »
    A 16 year old girl cannot legally consent to an abortion anyway, as she is below the age at which she can legally enter into a contract.

    You didnt answer my question. Do you think its fair that she be forced to carry a child ?


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    #121
    No Voter And Proud
    Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭No Voter And Proud


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Those WOMEN are women you know, women like your mother, sister, girlfriend, women you work with, women you socialise with.

    No woman I would socialise with would have an abortion so thats a moot point.


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