Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

mountgomery burns

The current system may not be the optimal solution, but I have never seen an "orthodox" sweeper work effectively. Probably because the teams that tried it weren't good enough.

cul beag

Is it being televised on Saturday evening?

3ships

cul beag wrote: »

Is it being televised on Saturday evening?

Eirsport

PTH2009

3ships wrote: »

Eirsport

Yeah coverage starts on Eir Sport 2 and Premier Sports at 16.30 Sat. Showing a replay of the match on Eir Sport 1 at 23.15

Deise_2012

Are there any replays on Sun morn PTH?

HillFarmer

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

i'd have no problem with Gleeson up front but he would find himself alone or possibly with one other up with him surrounded by at least four backs and that's with the goalie to beat as well ,you could stick Dj Carey,Joe Canning,Paul Flynn ,Dan Shanahan,Eddie Brennan etc etc up there but when you are outnumbered you are going to find it extremely difficult to have an impact,it is hard enough to beat Tipp,KK or Cork with six forwards but it is damn near impossible with two

Fair point

PTH2009

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Are there any replays on Sun morn PTH?

https://www.eirsport.ie/tv-guides

Don't think so but they might show highlights on RTE and TG4 Sunday

shamco

blueflame wrote: »

I am fed up of listening to the "sweeper" debate and how it is at the route of all our evils. Playing a sweeper is nothing new  I remember Shane Ahearne playing that role for Waterford in a number of games over 20 years ago, especially if the day in question involved a strong gale.

Playing a sweeper indicates that the player tasked with the job is playing behind an orthdox half back line with two wing backs and a center back, hence he is "sweeping" up behind the line.  Tadgh deBurca plays as a deep lying center-back and we flood the area in-front of him with lots of bodies. and this is the problem.

If we were to play an orthodox sweeper system, you could take one man out of the full forward line to play sweeper but you must keep a minimum of two men inside,  ideally leaving the opposing full back as the spare man to take the ball.  The fact that the sweeper operates effectively as a loose man they should have the time and  space to allow them to sweep behind mopping up loose ball and then launching attacks by causing overlaps by carrying the ball out or by delivering quality ball into the corners where the corner forward can isolate the corner back or alternatively cause the full back to vacate the space in front of goal and risk leaving the other corner back isolated on his man.

Now compare that with what we are doing, De Burca is being made to sit deep, giving the Center-Foward all the space in the world. We try to combat this by all but emptying our full forward and half forward lines, flooding midfield with bodies and trying to "break".   Unfortunately this restricts us to looking for short very high risk passes in an area of the field that is so congested  that turnovers interceptions mistakes block and hooks are bound to happen with regularity. How many scores have we given way over the last 18 months particularly by getting caught trying to break out or make short flick passes.  The big problem here is that every time you make such a mistake and concede a score, you have to work twice as hard to get a score back and without forwards that is a major issue. It also allows other teams to push on to us and apply serious pressure on deBurca so he does not have time to deliver quality ball, he is either hitting it under pressure to know one or having to break a tackle.  The alternative is to hitting long balls to a seriously outnumbered froward or to nobody at all and the ball comes straight back with interest.  

I fear that Derek has become almost blinded by fear. Sport is about defending and scoring in equal measure. Our focus is almost entirely on defending in our half and about reducing the goal count against us and depending on long range shots from most of our scores. Regrettably the set up we have means that as soon as we concede even one goal we are under serious pressure.  Compare that set up to the first half against KK last year when we were othordox, we conceded two early goals but still stormed straight back at them and competed on an equal footing

I am fed up of hearing that the management team were trying to push players forward from the line and it is not the managements fault, the players are not responding.  If this is really the case why have management not taken issue with players who fail to respond and put in players who will do what they are told - that is managements job.  Quite simply as I see it, we have spent three years drumming into players to fall back and defend,  they now do it as an automatic default and  management are quite happy to let it happen and just play at trying to push them forward.   Maybe I am totally wrong, maybe i am totally naive but I genuinely believe that if we want to have a real shot at winning the All Ireland we must adopt a more adventurous and attack minded approach combined with a massive work ethic in all parts of the field.

I watched Shane Bennett last week against Tipp and while the lad was having a bit of a stinker in terms of scoring, his work rate was phenomenal, he did not give Tipp players any time on the ball, he was chasing and harassing them constantly, nothing was a lost even though he was out numbered and on his own he never stopped.  If we get that kind of commitment from all our forwards (and i believe we can) we can match the best.  As regards the U21 All Ireland being the Vauxhaul Conference, the U21s could only beat what was in front of them.  No one is asking  for the U21 team to play in the Senior Championship - we are talking about taking the nucleus of a very good U21 side and adding it to a very strong panel of very good players who if left, are more than capable of competing against any team in the country - in case any doubts this the following players were not under 21 last year and were not elegible for the Vauxhaul Conference!!!!!

Socky, Iggy, Shane Fives, Barry Coughlan, Noel Connors, Tadgh DeBurca, Darragh Fives, Philip Mahony, Jamie Barron, Kevin Moran, Pauric Mahony, Brick Walsh, Jake Dillon, Maurice Shanahan, Colin Dunford, Brian O'Halloran - just to name a few.  


Maybe, just maybe with a bit of confidence in the ability of our players we could add those from the U21 to this lot and we might just have a panel that could win an All Ireland.  - Remember of the players who are being added to the mix, some of these, namely Austin Gleeson, Shane Bennett, Stephen Bennett, Patrick Curran, and Tom Devine are in at least their third year at senior level

What you are saying is very similar to what Clare people were saying when Davy was in charge. I think your points are entirely correct and the only time deviated from these tactics they won the AI.

danganabu

PTH2009 wrote: »

The wet Weather on Sat not going to suite us

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion, how on earth would a wet day suit Dublin more than Waterford?

blueflame

There is a lot of talk about how far we have progressed under current managment, but what is the starting point people are looking at for this:

In 2013 we played 5 league games beat Clare by 1 pt in Ennis, Drew with Cork in Dungarvan, Lost to KK in Nolan Park by 5 pts, Beat Tipp in Walsh Park by 1 pt and lost to Galway in Walsh Park by 3 pts. Finished the league with 5 points avoided relegation playoff and missed out on League Semi-Final place . We conceded 4 goals in those five league games -an average of 0.8 goals conceded per game

In the All-Ireland Series, lost to Clare by 8 pts first round who went on to win the All Ireland, then beat Offaly and beat Westmeath before going out to KK in extra time in Thurles.

In 2014 the current management's first year in charge, in the league we lost by 3 pts to Tipp in Thurles, we then beat Galway by 6 pts and Dublin by 3 pts both in Walsh Park before losing to Clare by 13 pts in Ennis and KK by 20 pts in Nolan Park. In the five league games we conceded 13 goals. We then lost to Dublin in a relegation play-off in Walsh Park conceding another 4 goals bringing our total to 17 goals conceded in 6 games - an average of 2.83 goals per game -

In the Championship we put in a great first half against Cork before being reeled in and then losing the replay by 14 points before beating Laois in the Qualifiers in Walsh Park and then loosing to Wexford by 3 points in Nolan Park.

I am not seeking to detract from what current Management has achieved by getting promotion and winning the League in 2015 and being runners up last year, but facts are facts.

The stark reality is that in 2013 we had come through a tough league campaign and had looked competitive and assured at the back, standing toe to toe with KK in the Championship - we had introduced several new players to the set up including Jake Dillon, and Jamie Barron, the likes of SOK, Philip and Pauric Mahony, Paudie Prendergastand Brian O'Halloran had gotten another years experience under their belts and we had just won the minor All Ireland with some really special potential talent on the horizon. Most supporters were looking forward to 2014 with real optimism, not expecting miracles but expecting to see a steady improvement.

2014 after a promising start turned into one ultimate disaster - with basically the same panel of players with more experience and the addition of Austin Gleeson we were a shambles - in three of the games we played we conceded as many or more goals than we had in the entire league campaign the previous year against broadly the same opposition ending up being relegated. We were humiliated against Cork in the championship replay, struggled past a poor Laois side on our own turf, and then went down to an average Wexford side.

All the time we had to listen to Management telling us that the Waterford public had to be realistic, we didn't have the players and we should be patient while they rebuilt us

Gaining promotion in 2015 straight away was important and a very good achievement. Winning the league was a great achievement and took us all by surprise, especially based on where we were in 2014. However if we looked back to back to 2013 was it such a surprise that we should be competing for a league tittle 24 months later - I don't think so, we were never a million miles away from league titles.

Current management like to talk about "where we have come from", I am sorry but the facts are we have come from where "they brought us" in their first year. With the players we had at our disposal we should never have been down there in the first place - the fact is over the last three years we had a combination of some strong minor sides maturing coupled with the emergence of one excellent minor side being added to what was already a strong and experienced panel of players which included serious players in addition to those already mentioned like Noel Connors. Brick, Kevin Moran, Shane and Darragh Five, Maurice Shanahan etc.. I know I, and many like me, certainly expected us to be a serious outfit by this stage

Before i am accused on having a knife out for the current management or favouring the previous management, i am neither, I am merely pointing to the facts and how these have been distorted. I have great respect for the current management, the commitment they have given is phenomenal and i do not doubt their intentions, but the figures do not lie.

When we judge the current management we must judge them on where we were when they took over, where they brought us initially, where we are now and where they are bringing us. In my view they have merely returned us to where we should reasonably have expected to be at this stage of the development of this particular crop of players , being able to challenge the majority - the question is can they bring us to the next level of being serious challengers to the kingpins of Tipp and Kilkenny where i believe we can go - i have my doubts but will l wait and see.

PTH2009

blueflame wrote: »

There is a lot of talk about how far we have progressed under current managment, but what is the starting point people are looking at for this:

In 2013 we played 5 league games beat Clare by 1 pt in Ennis, Drew with Cork in Dungarvan, Lost to KK in Nolan Park by 5 pts, Beat Tipp in Walsh Park by 1 pt and lost to Galway in Walsh Park by 3 pts. Finished the league with 5 points avoided relegation playoff and missed out on League Semi-Final place . We conceded 4 goals in those five league games -an average of 0.8 goals conceded per game

In the All-Ireland Series, lost to Clare by 8 pts first round who went on to win the All Ireland, then beat Offaly and beat Westmeath before going out to KK in extra time in Thurles.

In 2014 the current management's first year in charge, in the league we lost by 3 pts to Tipp in Thurles, we then beat Galway by 6 pts and Dublin by 3 pts both in Walsh Park before losing to Clare by 13 pts in Ennis and KK by 20 pts in Nolan Park. In the five league games we conceded 13 goals. We then lost to Dublin in a relegation play-off in Walsh Park conceding another 4 goals bringing our total to 23 goals conceded in 6 games - an average of 3.83 goals per game -

In the Championship we put in a great first half against Cork before being reeled in and then losing the replay by 14 points before beating Laois in the Qualifiers in Walsh Park and then loosing to Wexford by 3 points in Nolan Park.

I am not seeking to detract from what current Management has achieved by getting promotion and winning the League in 2015 and being runners up last year, but facts are facts.

The stark reality is that in 2013 we had come through a tough league campaign and had looked competitive and assured at the back, standing toe to toe with KK in the Championship - we had introduced several new players to the set up including Jake Dillon, and Jamie Barron, the likes of SOK, Philip and Pauric Mahony, Paudie Prendergastand Brian O'Halloran had gotten another years experience under their belts and we had just won the minor All Ireland with some really special potential talent on the horizon. Most supporters were looking forward to 2014 with real optimism, not expecting miracles but expecting to see a steady improvement.

2014 after a promising start turned into one ultimate disaster - with basically the same panel of players with more experience and the addition of Austin Gleeson we were a shambles - in three of the games we played we conceded as many or more goals than we had in the entire league campaign the previous year against broadly the same opposition ending up being relegated. We were humiliated against Cork in the championship replay, struggled past a poor Laois side on our own turf, and then went down to an average Wexford side.

All the time we had to listen to Management telling us that the Waterford public had to be realistic, we didn't have the players and we should be patient while they rebuilt us

Gaining promotion in 2015 straight away was important and a very good achievement. Winning the league was a great achievement and took us all by surprise, especially based on where we were in 2014. However if we looked back to back to 2013 was it such a surprise that we should be competing for a league tittle 24 months later - I don't think so, we were never a million miles away from league titles.

Current management like to talk about "where we have come from", I am sorry but the facts are we have come from where "they brought us" in their first year. With the players we had at our disposal we should never have been down there in the first place - the fact is over the last three years we had a combination of some strong minor sides maturing coupled with the emergence of one excellent minor side being added to what was already a strong and experienced panel of players which included serious players in addition to those already mentioned like Noel Connors. Brick, Kevin Moran, Shane and Darragh Five, Maurice Shanahan etc.. I know I, and many like me, certainly expected us to be a serious outfit by this stage

Before i am accused on having a knife out for the current management or favouring the previous management, i am neither, I am merely pointing to the facts and how these have been distorted. I have great respect for the current management, the commitment they have given is phenomenal and i do not doubt their intentions, but the figures do not lie.

When we judge the current management we must judge them on where we were when they took over, where they brought us initially, where we are now and where they are bringing us. In my view they have merely returned us to where we should reasonably have expected to be at this stage of the development of this particular crop of players , being able to challenge the majority - the question is can they bring us to the next level of being serious challengers to the kingpins of Tipp and Kilkenny where i believe we can go - i have my doubts but will l wait and see.

very good write up

in 2014 we had a different selectors and only Dan and Derek are still there today. Willie Maher (who managed the Tipp under 21s last year) and Frank Flannery were part of the setup and both bailed before the 2015 season

IMO the next 8-10 years is the last chance we have of an all ireland senior title but is this management team the right guys to do it and is it there style of tactics that are not getting us over the line ???. It will be so weird to see the current group of players being managed by someone else and the dogs in the street know that it will be Sean Power and Co to take over as the county board cant afford a big name and there could be nobody else capitable of taking over. If a guy who lead us to our first AI minor title in 65 years and first AI under 21 title in 24 years is not good enough to manage the senior team than who else is there ??? Liam Sheedy is not going to return to management, Donal Og Cusack is not proven yet etc

3ships

Maurice, Philip Mahony, Dara Fives, Jamie Barron, Brian o Halloran were all injured 2014 I think. There was lots of niggles and suspensions that year, it was a bit of a mess. A pity cause big Seamus and Molumphy were still there as well. A side well capable of getting to Croke Park at least. The 2015 salvation angle is certainly overblown

3ships

Dara Fives and Philip Mahony not fit for tomorrow, it'll be another couple of weeks according to Derek McGrath on wlr.
Still should be a strong side with Barron Brick and Maurice back in contention

conditioned games

I don't see the point why the 2 corner forwards are playing out the field so often. You could argue that it is to stop the opposition from scoring and keep the match competitive but it has the opposite effect. When the defenders hit the ball up it comes straight back down meaning the backs are under constant pressure. When Waterford are at their worst its usually when there is one or two up front being out numbered. When they have 3 full forwards pushed up and the 3 half forwards back helping the midfield and half back area they are at their best in my opinion.

tomwaterford

PTH2009 wrote: »

very good write up

in 2014 we had a different selectors and only Dan and Derek are still there today. Willie Maher (who managed the Tipp under 21s last year) and Frank Flannery were part of the setup and both bailed before the 2015 season

IMO the next 8-10 years is the last chance we have of an all ireland senior title but is this management team the right guys to do it and is it there style of tactics that are not getting us over the line ???. It will be so weird to see the current group of players being managed by someone else and the dogs in the street know that it will be Sean Power and Co to take over as the county board cant afford a big name and there could be nobody else capitable of taking over. If a guy who lead us to our first AI minor title in 65 years and first AI under 21 title in 24 years is not good enough to manage the senior team than who else is there ??? Liam Sheedy is not going to return to management, Donal Og Cusack is not proven yet etc

He has done enough and has more credentials than mcgrath had when he took over??

Giveitfong

A recurring theme in Derek McGrath’s media interviews in recent times has been how much further ahead of Waterford Tipperary are (in his view) in terms of development. Last year he suggested that Tipperary were four or five years ahead of Waterford in this respect and he repeated this argument in interviews with the Irish Independent on February 17 and the Irish Times on February 21 last. For example, in the latter interview, he stated that Tipperary have at their disposal a more mature bunch of players.

But does this argument match the facts? I have been looking at the Waterford and Tipperary teams which played each other in the 2012 Munster final (five years ago) and comparing them with their respective panels today. In the forthcoming Munster championship I would expect Tipperary to start with their All-Ireland winning team from last year, with the possible exception of Darren Gleeson. Of that team, five started in the 2012 Munster final: Micky Cahill, Noel McGrath and Pádraig, Brendan and Bonnar Maher. Seamus Callanan came on as a sub, as did Ronan Maher (who also came on as a sub in last year’s All-Ireland final). Darren Gleeson was a sub in 2012, as were John O’Keeffe and Seán Curran, who are in the current Tipperary panel.

I would expect the Waterford championship team to be along the following lines: Stephen O’Keeffe, Shane Fives, Barry Coughlan, Noel Connors, Tadhg de Búrca, Darragh Fives, Philip Mahony, Kevin Moran, Jamie Barron, Brick Walsh, Pauric Mahony, Austin Gleeson, Maurice Shanahan, Stephen Bennett, Patrick Curran. Of these, seven – O’Keeffe, Connors, Moran, Brick, Shanahan and the two Mahonys – played in 2012. Darragh Fives would also have played if he was fit. In addition to these, Gavin O’Brien and Stephen Daniels started in 2012 and Iggy O’Regan and Tommy Ryan were subs (Ryan started in Waterford’s next game against Cork). Brian O’Halloran was also injured in 2012 and is part of the current panel.

This means that twelve of the current Waterford panel were involved in 2012 (or would have been had they not been injured) with seven starting. Nine (ten if you include Darren Gleeson) of the current Tipperary panel were involved in 2012 with five starting. This indicates that, on balance, the Waterford team has been longer on the road and is more experienced. This is borne out by the average ages of the teams come June, with Waterford’s 25.7 exceeding Tipperary’s 25.4 (excluding Gleeson). Yet in the Irish Times last week, Dan Shanahan was talking about the gap between Waterford’s “young team” and Tipperary’s.

What really worries me about Derek McGrath’s recent utterances is the way he appears to be writing off the prospects of the current Waterford team winning the All-Ireland. According to the Irish Independent interview, “McGrath insists that Waterford still have a long road to travel - and reckons that many of his players will be in their mid-20s before their full potential is realised.” What does this say about the ten of Waterford’s likely championship starting team this year who are already 25 or older?

McGrath is further quoted as saying: "The fruits of Tipp's 2010 All-Ireland U-21 win are only being seen now.” Does this mean that McGrath does not expect Waterford to win the senior All-Ireland for another five years? How does reading this stuff impact on the self-image and self-belief of the current Waterford players (including those who were on last year’s under 21 team)?

This once more highlights Derek McGrath’s extraordinarily negative mindset, which has no place in a manager with realistic aspirations of All-Ireland success. I for one believe that the current Waterford team are well capable of going all the way, having shown last year how close they are to the top, despite McGrath’s exasperting selections and defensive setup. The quality of the players may still transcend McGrath’s negativity, but I cannot see Waterford capturing Liam MacCarthy while he remains in charge.

ThaiTanic

Waterford Senior Hurling Team named to face Dublin tomorrow in Croke Park at 5pm!

1. Ian O'Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Shane Fives (Tourin)
3. Barry Coughlan (Ballygunner)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Tadhg de Burca (Clashmore / Kinsalebeg)
6. Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
7. Pet Daniels (De La Salle)
8. Jamie Barron (Fourmilewater)
9. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
10. Kevin Moran (De La Salle)
11. Pauric Mahony (Ballygunner)
12. Michael Walsh (Stradbally)
13. Patrick Curran (Dungarvan)
14. Stephen Bennett (Ballysaggart)
15. Shane Bennett (Ballysaggarart)

Strong enough team, good to see Stephen Bennett back starting, baffled by the decision to start Daniels.

mickmackmcgoo

ThaiTanic wrote:

Strong enough team, good to see Stephen Bennett back starting, baffled by the decision to start Daniels.

Am also baffled at how Shane Bennett starts every game but the likes of Brian o Halloran and Tomas Ryan can't get a chance!

ThaiTanic

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Am also baffled at how Shane Bennett starts every game but the likes of Brian o Halloran and Tomas Ryan can't get a chance!

Yeah agree with you there, has been in poor form

seananigans

1. Ian O'Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Shane Fives (Tourin)
3. Barry Coughlan (Ballygunner)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Tadhg de Burca (Clashmore / Kinsalebeg)
6. Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
7. Stephen Daniels (De La Salle)
8. Jamie Barron (Fourmilewater)
9. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
10. Kevin Moran (De La Salle)
11. Pauric Mahony (Ballygunner)
12. Michael Walsh (Stradbally)
13. Patrick Curran (Dungarvan)
14. Stephen Bennett (Ballysaggart)
15. Shane Bennett (Ballysaggart)

Deise_2012

Philip Mahony and Darragh Fives not fit...so what's the problem?

robopaddy2

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Philip Mahony and Darragh Fives not fit...so what's the problem?

I reckon some people are jealous, maybe they were never picked by Derek for the Harty cup panel in school and it irkes them now to see the more talented boys make it at senior county level

robopaddy2

PTH2009 wrote: »

very good write up

in 2014 we had a different selectors and only Dan and Derek are still there today. Willie Maher (who managed the Tipp under 21s last year) and Frank Flannery were part of the setup and both bailed before the 2015 season

IMO the next 8-10 years is the last chance we have of an all ireland senior title but is this management team the right guys to do it and is it there style of tactics that are not getting us over the line  ???. It will be so weird to see the current group of players being managed by someone else and the dogs in the street know that it will be Sean Power and Co to take over as the county board cant afford a big name and there could be nobody else capitable of taking over. If a guy who lead us to our first AI minor title in 65 years and first AI under 21 title in 24 years is not good enough to manage the senior team than who else is there ??? Liam Sheedy is not going to return to management, Donal Og Cusack is not proven yet etc

Really, so you know all about the current 10, 12 14 year olds in the county? There is no chance of any good hurlers coming through after the current crop moves on?

blueflame

Disapppinted to hear Dara Fives injured again - heard for very reliable source he played last weekend against Wexford and scored three points - if he is really injured again hope it is something small.

The team itself is fine with me - believe Daniels deserves a chance to prove himself again after a horiffic injury and would like to see that full forward line actually play as named with Curran and the two Bennetts playing together near to goal - a lethal combination - ah but now I am dreaming - more likely they will be playing somewhere around our half back line but we live in hope

Deskjockey

ThaiTanic wrote: »

Waterford Senior Hurling Team named to face Dublin tomorrow in Croke Park at 5pm!

1. Ian O'Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Shane Fives (Tourin)
3. Barry Coughlan (Ballygunner)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Tadhg de Burca (Clashmore / Kinsalebeg)
6. Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
7. Pet Daniels (De La Salle)
8. Jamie Barron (Fourmilewater)
9. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
10. Kevin Moran (De La Salle)
11. Pauric Mahony (Ballygunner)
12. Michael Walsh (Stradbally)
13. Patrick Curran (Dungarvan)
14. Stephen Bennett (Ballysaggart)
15. Shane Bennett (Ballysaggarart)

Strong enough team, good to see Stephen Bennett back starting, baffled by the decision to start Daniels.

Have to say I got a good laugh out of your take on number 7 there. My wife was asking me what I was giggling about

tomwaterford

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Am also baffled at how Shane Bennett starts every game but the likes of Brian o Halloran and Tomas Ryan can't get a chance!

Thomas ryan has had dozens of chances at inter county....must be knocking arounf with 7-8 years and has never taken them??


While sensational at club level he has never transferred that form to intercounty level.....brian ohalloren has had some terrible injuries and deos deserve another shot alright

mountgomery burns

Did I just read that Ronan Maher, who gave as good a display at center back as I've seen in all ireland final, referred to as a sub in last years all Ireland???

As for the team on Saturday, Brian O Halloran deserves to start after his impact the last day but Tommy Ryan is like the Andy Reid of Waterford GAA the last two weeks or so. Same fellas suggesting he start probably lambasted him after Cork 2012. Maybe they've forgotten...

Giveitfong

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Did I just read that Ronan Maher, who gave as good a display at center back as I've seen in all ireland final, referred to as a sub in last years all Ireland???

Sorry, that should have been Donagh Maher.

enoughtaken

seananigans wrote: »

1. Ian O'Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Shane Fives (Tourin)
3. Barry Coughlan (Ballygunner)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Tadhg de Burca (Clashmore / Kinsalebeg)
6. Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
7. Stephen Daniels (De La Salle)
8. Jamie Barron (Fourmilewater)
9. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
10. Kevin Moran (De La Salle)
11. Pauric Mahony (Ballygunner)
12. Michael Walsh (Stradbally)
13. Patrick Curran (Dungarvan)
14. Stephen Bennett (Ballysaggart)
15. Shane Bennett (Ballysaggart)

Madness. What's Derek at. One more from the West 😂😂😂😂 good team. Would have liked to have seen Brian o halloran start. Unusual that SOK has got no game time so far in league.

DiscoStew

blueflame wrote: »

Disapppinted to hear Dara Fives injured again - heard for very reliable source he played last weekend against Wexford and scored three points - if he is really injured again hope it is something small.

The team itself is fine with me - believe Daniels deserves a chance to prove himself again after a horiffic injury and would like to see that full forward line actually play as named with Curran and the two Bennetts playing together near to goal - a lethal combination - ah but now I am dreaming - more likely they will be playing somewhere around our half back line but we live in hope

Possibly just protecting Fives. Have heard from a number of different people that he did play last weekend. Not sure when can expect Mahony back but he'll have a battle to get back into the starting team.