Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

HatchetMan7

As bad as this sounds losing to Cork in the minor game was a good result. It took the 2013 team a few games to find their best 15 and proper positioning. But i suppose it all depends on how good the management team is too. Its ideal really as now we have another tough game against Tipp and look at lads in different positions before they settle on their best 15 before knockout championship.

Gardner

courtylad easy on the drugs boy

cul beag

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

As bad as this sounds losing to Cork in the minor game was a good result. It took the 2013 team a few games to find their best 15 and proper positioning. But i suppose it all depends on how good the management team is too. Its ideal really as now we have another tough game against Tipp and look at lads in different positions before they settle on their best 15 before knockout championship.

This team isn't a patch on the All Ireland winning side unfortunately.

robopaddy2

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

As bad as this sounds losing to Cork in the minor game was a good result. It took the 2013 team a few games to find their best 15 and proper positioning. But i suppose it all depends on how good the management team is too. Its ideal really as now we have another tough game against Tipp and look at lads in different positions before they settle on their best 15 before knockout championship.

Cork don't play again until 29th June, which sounds pretty ludicrous. But they are there in the semi final now and no matter what anyone says, the best route is the the direct one. If you're good enough you'll win your matches. This panel of players have been together since last October, you should have a fair idea of what your best side is at this stage and if you don't then there's problems with management. Yes there will be tweaks and changes but people are expecting this big massive turnaround the next day. The same happened last years we lost to Tipp in the first round and went out tamely to Limerick a couple weeks later. Not saying we can't end up back in the semi final but don't delude yourselves. That 2013 side was a once off talented bunch, they had no business losing that first game at all as they were a much stronger side than Tipp. They were actually a poorly managed side aswell imo but had so much talent they ended up getting through to an AI final and winning it.

Cake Man

Minors result wasn't great especially considering we stormed out of the traps early on. All not lost though, it seems we have two more lifelines with a home game to Tipp in two weeks and another v Clare if we lose that. Bizarre setup but it is what it is I suppose.


It won't be a waste if we learn a few things from the defeat and take them into the Tipp game. It seems Billy Nolan would be better positioned maybe centre forward and stick somebody else on the goal, where he can influence the game more and a more reliable free taker. Frees seemed to kill us last night with some poor wides from scoreable positions. Just a question if those learnings will be taken on board and utilised.

Horseboxhead

Really Great report by giveitfong there, was thinking exactly the same , When i got to the pitch last night , the first thing that hit me was how, big a side Waterford were, from goalkeeper right up the field, when we allowed Cork to dictate and play their hurling, they did and killed us, used to be a massive problem with Waterford underage side's, when the school's were not competing at the levels their at now, you'd go to a game and all of a sudden lads could not get to grips, mentally with the standard, and we would be bet, but it was such a weird game as when waterford had their two periods of almost[but not quite] Dominence, we could not score, as our first rule of thumb was plant the ball on the stick and run untill you lose it, or lay it off.
I, for the first time in along time, went to a minor game not knowing anything about alot of the current waterford side, i assumed with all the work going on underage that they would be at least strong in the basics, and i also assumed they would be mentally right, as its a given now, when you are competitive in this grade like we have been now for a period of time, but it was almost a throwback, looked badly prepared, some looked unfit, touch was awful[and before some give out, dancing with the big boy's now], conditions were poor, but same for both , and we were at home, and there was a malaise and disbelief about the whole thing from about the third minute on, after we were 1-2 to no score up, bad decision making on and off the field[sweeper in the first half, Goalkeeper was able to hit the opposing 14 with puckouts with the gale], at home, smacked of disbelief, and even when we were on top, the overcarrying of the ball, and the shot selection just roars Amature set up, say what you like about previous set up's but they hit the ground running, and looked up for every game.
Plus and this shouldn't HAPPEN AT THIS LEVEL, no way a father of one of the main players should be anywhere near the side, and espically not main man, can't happen, should never be let, because it can never be balanced no mater what anyone says, Switches and subs only made more of a case for poor sideline, as i thought everyone that came on was lively, and if i had to pick who i thought played well, Full back line cleaned but really Cork nulified our sweeper very cleverly, so sweeper was not working, O'brien the ger's, looked at least capable of winning and Striking the ball, caught for feet, but again it looked like a sharpness thing, but looked as if he believed he should be there, and Montomery from Abbeyside, won alot of ball, and tried to be Constructive with it, and not take the easy choice,scored a couple of Points, Goalkeeper was not tested, but Looked Competant, and the young lad that came on from Clonea, how did he not start?.
This team has alot of the things you need to be successfull at this level, huge side, Apparently it was an off night, but unless at the very least you are fit , sharp, focoused have a sence of belief , and Marry that with the fact that alot of these guys are good hurlers, then your going back to the 90's in terms of where we were underage, someone took the eye off the ball here, not good enough.

courtylad

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Cork don't play again until 29th June, which sounds pretty ludicrous. But they are there in the semi final now and no matter what anyone says, the best route is the the direct one. If you're good enough you'll win your matches. This panel of players have been together since last October, you should have a fair idea of what your best side is at this stage and if you don't then there's problems with management. Yes there will be tweaks and changes but people are expecting this big massive turnaround the next day. The same happened last years we lost to Tipp in the first round and went out tamely to Limerick a couple weeks later. Not saying we can't end up back in the semi final but don't delude yourselves. That 2013 side was a once off talented bunch, they had no business losing that first game at all as they were a much stronger side than Tipp. They were actually a poorly managed side aswell imo but had so much talent they ended up getting through to an AI final and winning it.

Wasnt the worlds best team that won the all-ireland, a few good that progressed to senior but the 2014 team was considered as Jack O' Connor would put it "the real deal". 2014 was our best year in minor hurling and football asides from 2013.

courtylad

Horseboxhead wrote: »

Really Great report by giveitfong there, was thinking exactly the same , When i got to the pitch last night , the first thing that hit me was how, big a side Waterford were, from goalkeeper right up the field, when we allowed Cork to dictate and play their hurling, they did and killed us, used to be a massive problem with Waterford underage side's, when the school's were not competing at the levels their at now, you'd go to a game and all of a sudden lads could not get to grips, mentally with the standard, and we would be bet, but it was such a weird game as when waterford had their two periods of almost[but not quite] Dominence, we could not score, as our first rule of thumb was plant the ball on the stick and run untill you lose it, or lay it off.
I, for the first time in along time, went to a minor game not knowing anything about alot of the current waterford side, i assumed with all the work going on underage that they would be at least strong in the basics, and i also assumed they would be mentally right, as its a given now, when you are competitive in this grade like we have been now for a period of time, but it was almost a throwback, looked badly prepared, some looked unfit, touch was awful[and before some give out, dancing with the big boy's now], conditions were poor, but same for both , and we were at home, and there was a malaise and disbelief about the whole thing from about the third minute on, after we were 1-2 to no score up, bad decision making on and off the field[sweeper in the first half, Goalkeeper was able to hit the opposing 14 with puckouts with the gale], at home, smacked of disbelief, and even when we were on top, the overcarrying of the ball, and the shot selection just roars Amature set up, say what you like about previous set up's but they hit the ground running, and looked up for every game.
Plus and this shouldn't HAPPEN AT THIS LEVEL, no way a father of one of the main players should be anywhere near the side, and espically not main man, can't happen, should never be let, because it can never be balanced no mater what anyone says, Switches and subs only made more of a case for poor sideline, as i thought everyone that came on was lively, and if i had to pick who i thought played well, Full back line cleaned but really Cork nulified our sweeper very cleverly, so sweeper was not working, O'brien the ger's, looked at least capable of winning and Striking the ball, caught for feet, but again it looked like a sharpness thing, but looked as if he believed he should be there, and Montomery from Abbeyside, won alot of ball, and tried to be Constructive with it, and not take the easy choice,scored a couple of Points, Goalkeeper was not tested, but Looked Competant, and the young lad that came on from Clonea, how did he not start?.
This team has alot of the things you need to be successfull at this level, huge side, Apparently it was an off night, but unless at the very least you are fit , sharp, focoused have a sence of belief , and Marry that with the fact that alot of these guys are good hurlers, then your going back to the 90's in terms of where we were underage, someone took the eye off the ball here, not good enough.

When I played Tyrone County at minor we had a distilled mentality that waterford always lacks.
1) This is our pitch, this was our fortress, you dont leave this pitch without a win, if they are better than you, you drag them down to your level by any means necessary to get the result. You never lose at home.

2) We put our head where these boys wouldnt dare put their boots.

3) Brute Fing Ignorance, we were made believe we were gods gift to football, that the other teams supports came to watch us play.

4) Ruthless Aggression, if you are in the backs, midfield or forwards you don't give your man an inch. If your a back you rack your boots down on your mans heel for fun, you pull his jersey if he tries to run, you hold his bicep if he tries to move. If he broke free you drove your elbow into his face. If he put a point over you put him to the ground and told him the next time he scores he stays down. If they get the ball in your 45 you get behind the ball and either smother, if they look like they are going threw to score you pull his jersey and give the free. You stood on the ball until the team had their shape back. if your a midfield when you with up to field you drove your elbow into the mans face if it looked like he was going to win the ball. If you were a forward you, hit and battered free from your marker.

People say this is what ruins the game, this was part of the game when the black and tans stormed croke park. You can be like joe brolly and say your not a man if you do this, but in knockout championship you win at all costs, your not there to take part your there to win. If your bigger and more physical you should win the game. You look at my county Tyrone in football, they arent natural skill, were natural ignorance, belief we were sent down from above to dominate the game. That mentality is what we lacked last night. You go to kilkenny in hurling, they believe that, they play the man first, the ball second. If your a back and your man doesnt have the ball your job is done. Nothing else is your job unless your in a system.


When i came down to waterford, played and togged club senior hurling for a good while, i saw it at my first waterford hurling match. The underdog mentality, this county has built in an ethos of not being the favourite, expect nothing from us and we'll surprise you. I was shocked. That is the reason we have had no alireland since 1951 i think. You cant instill a mentality in a team over a three month/6 month period, it takes years of breeding from u16 + when you can be more cyincal. It always shows against the likes of Cork, Kilkenny and Tipp, born to believe they are gods gift to hurling. if you believe your godS gift and have a team believing it you have the game 90% won because sport is all psychological, 10% skill and fitness.

Anyone who reputes that go out and buy an autobiography of any gaa/sporting manager.

Management was not up to scratch. A winning mentality has been distilled into waterford since 2013 of having all ireland semi finals an expectancy. Psychological, Tactical, Skill and Fitness. We lacked all of it against Cork last night.

Even though i said its more economically to lose. I expected a better showing. Knowing I have three games before a semi final I would of honestly thrown the game. Let cork walk into a semi final thinking their better than us, compete with Tipperary and have my tactics spot on...Murray missed frees cause he ever played infront of such a crowd. Infront of a crowd that size to paraphrase Sir Tony O' Reilly "To be as good as you were you have to be twice as good as your were". You lose that step, that touch in a match like that. Hence why i would of rathered a loss personally, togged a team id like to see, make changes based on that game. Play tipp, win great, lose still fine. Play Clare must win, lose no excuses from the players or management. We had no backdoor in my era and we won, all the while distilling the mentality in the lads of how we want to play, telling them to treat them like friendlys. Telling them the clare game is our game. By the clare game, we would be flying in championship conditions. Its not the hardest game. Maybe the management did it on purpose. Three games to get it right before a semi final? I would of thrown it to get more time under there belts but i doubt they did. Not the hardest thing in the world but that team lacked everything i listed.

boodiebhoy

What "sport" was that courtylad?

The blue blaa

courtylad wrote: »

When I played Tyrone County at minor we had a distilled mentality that waterford always lacks.
1) This is our pitch, this was our fortress, you dont leave this pitch without a win, if they are better than you, you drag them down to your level by any means necessary to get the result. You never lose at home.

2) We put our head where these boys wouldnt dare put their boots.

3) Brute Fing Ignorance, we were made believe we were gods gift to football, that the other teams supports came to watch us play.

4) Ruthless Aggression, if you are in the backs, midfield or forwards you don't give your man an inch. If your a back you rack your boots down on your mans heel for fun, you pull his jersey if he tries to run, you hold his bicep if he tries to move. If he broke free you drove your elbow into his face. If he put a point over you put him to the ground and told him the next time he scores he stays down. If they get the ball in your 45 you get behind the ball and either smother, if they look like they are going threw to score you pull his jersey and give the free. You stood on the ball until the team had their shape back. if your a midfield when you with up to field you drove your elbow into the mans face if it looked like he was going to win the ball. If you were a forward you, hit and battered free from your marker.

People say this is what ruins the game, this was part of the game when the black and tans stormed croke park. You can be like joe brolly and say your not a man if you do this, but in knockout championship you win at all costs, your not there to take part your there to win. If your bigger and more physical you should win the game. You look at my county Tyrone in football, they arent natural skill, were natural ignorance, belief we were sent down from above Not the hardest thing in the world but that team lacked everything i listed.

We used eat glass and soak our hands in green diesel when i won 9 all irelands with KK

courtylad

boodiebhoy wrote: »

What "sport" was that courtylad?

Played Football with them co. minor - senior (three years), would of only been extended, got one start ulster and a few sub appearance, came down here for work, no jobs in my line of work in tyrone, around 25 after i finished university... we would of had club hurling contray to the thought, like waterford hurling was and still is popular to a similar level. Small counties, best players play hurling and tyrone football.

courtylad

The blue blaa wrote: »

We used eat glass and soak our hands in green diesel when i won 9 all irelands with KK

I know many men who would do more to win an all ireland.

Deskjockey

courtylad wrote: »

When I played Tyrone County at minor we had a distilled mentality that waterford always lacks.
1) This is our pitch, this was our fortress, you dont leave this pitch without a win, if they are better than you, you drag them down to your level by any means necessary to get the result. You never lose at home.

2) We put our head where these boys wouldnt dare put their boots.

3) Brute Fing Ignorance, we were made believe we were gods gift to football, that the other teams supports came to watch us play.

4) Ruthless Aggression, if you are in the backs, midfield or forwards you don't give your man an inch. If your a back you rack your boots down on your mans heel for fun, you pull his jersey if he tries to run, you hold his bicep if he tries to move. If he broke free you drove your elbow into his face. If he put a point over you put him to the ground and told him the next time he scores he stays down. If they get the ball in your 45 you get behind the ball and either smother, if they look like they are going threw to score you pull his jersey and give the free. You stood on the ball until the team had their shape back. if your a midfield when you with up to field you drove your elbow into the mans face if it looked like he was going to win the ball. If you were a forward you, hit and battered free from your marker.

People say this is what ruins the game, this was part of the game when the black and tans stormed croke park. You can be like joe brolly and say your not a man if you do this, but in knockout championship you win at all costs, your not there to take part your there to win. If your bigger and more physical you should win the game. You look at my county Tyrone in football, they arent natural skill, were natural ignorance, belief we were sent down from above to dominate the game. That mentality is what we lacked last night. You go to kilkenny in hurling, they believe that, they play the man first, the ball second. If your a back and your man doesnt have the ball your job is done. Nothing else is your job unless your in a system.


When i came down to waterford, played and togged club senior hurling for a good while, i saw it at my first waterford hurling match. The underdog mentality, this county has built in an ethos of not being the favourite, expect nothing from us and we'll surprise you. I was shocked. That is the reason we have had no alireland since 1951 i think. You cant instill a mentality in a team over a three month/6 month period, it takes years of breeding from u16 + when you can be more cyincal. It always shows against the likes of Cork, Kilkenny and Tipp, born to believe they are gods gift to hurling. if you believe your godS gift and have a team believing it you have the game 90% won because sport is all psychological, 10% skill and fitness.

Anyone who reputes that go out and buy an autobiography of any gaa/sporting manager.

Management was not up to scratch. A winning mentality has been distilled into waterford since 2013 of having all ireland semi finals an expectancy. Psychological, Tactical, Skill and Fitness. We lacked all of it against Cork last night.

Even though i said its more economically to lose. I expected a better showing. Knowing I have three games before a semi final I would of honestly thrown the game. Let cork walk into a semi final thinking their better than us, compete with Tipperary and have my tactics spot on...Murray missed frees cause he ever played infront of such a crowd. Infront of a crowd that size to paraphrase Sir Tony O' Reilly "To be as good as you were you have to be twice as good as your were". You lose that step, that touch in a match like that. Hence why i would of rathered a loss personally, togged a team id like to see, make changes based on that game. Play tipp, win great, lose still fine. Play Clare must win, lose no excuses from the players or management. We had no backdoor in my era and we won, all the while distilling the mentality in the lads of how we want to play, telling them to treat them like friendlys. Telling them the clare game is our game. By the clare game, we would be flying in championship conditions. Its not the hardest game. Maybe the management did it on purpose. Three games to get it right before a semi final? I would of thrown it to get more time under there belts but i doubt they did. Not the hardest thing in the world but that team lacked everything i listed.

I really hope you have no involvement in training teams, whether juvenile or adult, having read that violent nonsense you just posted. Go in hard and play by the rules by all means, but that thuggery you describe sickens me.
I'm sure you weren't surprised at that Tyrone player taunting a Tipperary kid about his dead relative, it sure fits in nicely with that win at all costs narrative, sickening despicable behaviour... but in your world, as long as your team wins the game, sure no problem.

tomwaterford

Deskjockey wrote: »

I really hope you have no involvement in training teams, whether juvenile or adult, having read that violent nonsense you just posted. Go in hard and play by the rules by all means, but that thuggery you describe sickens me.
I'm sure you weren't surprised at that Tyrone player taunting a Tipperary kid about his dead relative, it sure fits in nicely with that win at all costs narrative, sickening despicable behaviour... but in your world, as long as your team wins the game, sure no problem.

Pretty much heard that speil word for word before off the sister she had a motivation talk in work off some lad....:D

deiseach

A poor Tom Kelly imitator.

STIG83

deiseach wrote: »

A poor Tom Kelly imitator.

Who is?
Tom Kelly was funny in fairness.

deiseach

STIG83 wrote: »

Who is?
Tom Kelly was funny in fairness.

courtylad. And yes, Tom Kelly was funny. Still is on Twitter.

courtylad

Tom Kelly no idea who that is... Heard it off Mickey Harte 1996-2004, that is what you do to win.

That in fairness was abit rough over the dead relative. I think it was to a Donegal player in u21, Michael Carrol. You are instructed in ulster especially at that level when a defender to get into the head of the man your marker by any means necessary. That is a regular occurrence in ulster at u16,verbal assault. I wouldn't know advise it due to the current mental health crisis but if a player I managed did it I wouldn't mind. There is a law almost as unwritten that managers and players don't get paid in Gaa. That unwritten law is unless the whilst is blown and you give a free away it's legal. That's the ethos. Harte once told us something like this "were looking for the man who would put his head where you wouldn't dare put your boots. Who will batter his man verbally, physically and mentally for 60 minutes". No manager goes out of there way to get them to verbally assault but it's implied. 1st nature in ulster. That would be the way the game has went unfortunately.

Unless you are god gift to a sport the only way you'll win and beat gods gift is to drag him to your level. Anyone watch Tyrone that's what we do, that is tactically done. You look at when Waterford played Dublin last year in hurling. Maurice Shanahan was batter black and blue by Dublin. Maurice was running with the ball on the Hurley and two Dublin lads were hitting him with the Hurley and he was laughing at them. When you have the ball you have to be mentally battering an opponent. That's what GAA is.

No, currently not involved in management this year, moved to Waterford, married, moved to Dublin moved back three years ago. While in Dublin was a selector for three years for a lad who I played Tyrone with, managed the year after him, then managed Freshers, then came back to Waterford about three years ago. But have a GAA level 3 coaching. Wouldn't mind the co minor football job alright, have great respect for what Tim Lenihan, Oran Curran, John Browne, David Nugent (current manager) are doing... Often saw my nephew play down the Gold Coast... Not the worlds best coaching but decent coaching none the else, lacked the man roaring at them. The county board have oppressed curran and Lenihan a lot, the 2014/2015 team should of been in that Munster final. A decent production line in football if under the right manager for senior in the next 10 years.

All will see in five days, when they play Kerry, I'm not expecting much of this team, wee on the small size. Would like to see competitive football...all I'll say about the current team is water should of been parted and the earths axis should of been flipped to get Liam O' Connell starting for that team.

Great thing to say on a board but if I was there manager I'd be confident on a Munster final in the first year, win in the second.
All you need to make Gaelic Football at a decent level in Waterford
1) is a stable backroom team which they have.
2) October - April training
3) Everything the co. Minor hurlers get the footballers get. They get one extra water bottle we get an extra water bottle, they get a hallahans bus we get a hallahans bus, not a JJ kavanghs.
3) Mon - Weds - Friday - Sunday
Tuesday - Thursday - Saturday
Every second week the schedule rotates. Week 1 four sessions hurlers, Week 1 three sessions footballers. Rotating weekly.
Dual players train two sessions per week per code minimum and maximum allowed to be a dual. You miss a football session you can only do one hurling in that week.
4) Unlike most coaches who say money needs to be pumped in, creation of Waterford Football Desise club, I would say no. All you need to deliver coaching is a pitch, cones and players. You don't even need nets.
5) Adopt a two sweeper system. Kerry will kick points from the 45 at ease. You play no 7 and no 15 as your sweepers. No 7 goes on the centre forward and man marks him. No 15 goes on the full forward and man marks him. No 6 is now free to sweep, hold that position. No 3 holds the position and sweeps the full back line. No 12 goes wing back into No 7 role. In the forwards you have your No 11 Centre forward, (operates the high 45 he holds that central position), No 10 Half Forward (Loose Forward, he does the Peter Harte role of running side to side depending on which side the ball is coming down). Two full forwards, no 13 and no 14, two small quick players both on the edge of the square.
6) You kick out the ball long to your Conor Prunty's or Cormac Curran (we always have big 6ft 5 men in midfield), you win that ball and you let it into the corner fast.
7) Deploy a Win at all costs ethos from October.
8) Withdraw from the u17 Munster League.
9) Play matches against weaker counties outside Munster
10) Arrange matches against Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone, Donegal (any good minor team in the country outside Munster). (Avoiding Munster teams gives us the chance to surprise them, distill the best team in Munster mentality).
11) Change from October on the ridiculous football marking ye do in Waterford. You either mark from the front or shadow mark.
Mark from the front: watch Marc O' Se play, he stands five feet in front of his man, always checking over his shoulder, if the balls short he'll mop it up, if the balls long he has to move five feet, he doesn't jump he waits til he lands and goes for the ball.
Shadow Mark: the bravest men in the game use this style, back to the ball, (like in soccer, you cross you legs your dead) you don't play the ball, you play the man, he moves you moves. He tries to run past you you step in his way and put your hands up. (Corner backs and full backs would mark this way, Cathal McCarron, Neil /Eamon McGee).

I sir am not a troll, one of the few people on this who understands the game, coaching management, tactics. I often play a game that simulates management which is football manager (association), you play that and tell me you won't advise your players to "go in hard". That is how you win, it is not sickening, you win at all costs, everybody talked about tyrones display in the u21 championship but they won, the game won't go down in history but the result will. When you look back when your older do you want to think I played fair while other counties did, I can hold my head up high. Or would you rather think, I did what had to be done, I put on my county jersey and I did what other men wouldn't to win. Tyrone gets a bad perception...off the field there all sound lads who wouldn't hurt a fly, like most boxers outside the ring. But the pitch is the ring and when your on the pitch you do what it takes to win, and as the saying in Kerry goes, you can perform in club, you can perform in a friendly, but unless you perform in championship your nothing, and unless you have an allireland your nothing, that's the ethos you distill. If paddy McGrath got a broken jaw in the all Ireland semi final, jim McGuiness told him in the ER he wouldn't be playing the all Ireland final, he turned to the doctor and said if he breaks his jaw again, will he wire it again? The doctor told him I will, he turned back to McGuiness and said he would be playing in that game. That's a distilled mentality you need to win. In all levels of Waterford Gaa, thuggery gets you places, sickened maybe but I'd rather be a thug with all Ireland's than a pauper with nothing.

Cornerstonelad

Ah! the good old Timmy Ryan school of coaching from D'unbelievables.

Tyrone 3 All Irelands...........Football

Tyrone 0 All Irelands...........Hurling

Total Ulster All Irelands around 16/17

Kerry ...............................37

yawn,yawn,,,,,,,,,

GAA established 1 Nov 1984

seananigans

courtylad wrote: »

Tom Kelly no idea who that is... Heard it off Mickey Harte 1996-2004, that is what you do to win.

That in fairness was abit rough over the dead relative. I think it was to a Donegal player in u21, Michael Carrol. You are instructed in ulster especially at that level when a defender to get into the head of the man your marker by any means necessary. That is a regular occurrence in ulster at u16,verbal assault. I wouldn't know advise it due to the current mental health crisis but if a player I managed did it I wouldn't mind.

there is no current mental health crisis, men have always had mental health issues, its only starting becoming socially acceptable to talk about it , i'm sure you're win at all costs mentality would go down a storm if you drove someone over a cliff once you got the result

PTH2009

With a number of our senior players and management in London for the club deise dinner dance dis weekend I imagine there's no training dis weekend ??

cul beag

PTH2009 wrote: »

With a number of our senior players and management in London for the club deise dinner dance dis weekend I imagine there's no training dis weekend ??

Speaking of which are we not scrapping the arse of the barrel with this type of fundraising? Management team went over to a pub in London again some weeks ago and raised around 10k! The breakfast talk held in Lawlors amounted to 110 tickets sold and around 70 turned up on the day! Come on,really? Is this the best we can do? Can you see Brian Cody prostituting himself around the place for pittance amount of money? Hopefully the Punchestown event will bring in a decent amount of money that we know is needed to keep the ship afloat but surely there are better,bigger ways of raising serious cash to fund the teams?

JesusRef

cul beag wrote: »

Speaking of which are we not scrapping the arse of the barrel with this type of fundraising? Management team went over to a pub in London again some weeks ago and raised around 10k! The breakfast talk held in Lawlors amounted to 110 tickets sold and around 70 turned up on the day! Come on,really? Is this the best we can do? Can you see Brian Cody prostituting himself around the place for pittance amount of money? Hopefully the Punchestown event will bring in a decent amount of money that we know is needed to keep the ship afloat but surely there are better,bigger ways of raising serious cash to fund the teams?

It's a pretty well worn path for every county, every Club, every national school in the country are looking for their share of the pot to keep things going.
Fair play to anyone who goes to the effort of raising any money towards the cause of improving the training conditions of the lucky ones who represent our county (with some distinction, currently hurling, camogie and LGF teams are the holders of titles - it's easy to be proud of our hard working and dedicated fellow County men and women) , every euro should be welcomed

DiscoStew

JesusRef wrote: »

It's a pretty well worn path for every county, every Club, every national school in the country are looking for their share of the pot to keep things going.
Fair play to anyone who goes to the effort of raising any money towards the cause of improving the training conditions of the lucky ones who represent our county (with some distinction, currently hurling, camogie and LGF teams are the holders of titles - it's easy to be proud of our hard working and dedicated fellow County men and women) , every euro should be welcomed

The money from the Deise Day at Punchestown is also divided up with a percentage going to the Ladies Footballers. Not sure if the Camogie are a part of that as they have their own night at the dogs, tonight if I'm not mistaken in Kilcohan. So while a large chunk is taken in, expenses must be met and then the money is divided up. These other fundraisers are out of necessity more than anything else. Tickets are a fair price for the Deise Day so fair play to all those supporting it.

PTH2009

cul beag wrote: »

Speaking of which are we not scrapping the arse of the barrel with this type of fundraising? Management team went over to a pub in London again some weeks ago and raised around 10k! The breakfast talk held in Lawlors amounted to 110 tickets sold and around 70 turned up on the day! Come on,really? Is this the best we can do? Can you see Brian Cody prostituting himself around the place for pittance amount of money? Hopefully the Punchestown event will bring in a decent amount of money that we know is needed to keep the ship afloat but surely there are better,bigger ways of raising serious cash to fund the teams?

If we had a decent stadium we could hold an open air concert with a major touring act (anyone remember the disasters we had previous years for fundraising ? Jedward, Shane McGowan,Bressie).

A challenge match for our footballers against someone like the Dublin seniors/all star 15 etc in Walsh park Wud be a good idea and might raise a bit of money.

cul beag

JesusRef wrote: »

It's a pretty well worn path for every county, every Club, every national school in the country are looking for their share of the pot to keep things going.
Fair play to anyone who goes to the effort of raising any money towards the cause of improving the training conditions of the lucky ones who represent our county (with some distinction, currently hurling, camogie and LGF teams are the holders of titles - it's easy to be proud of our hard working and dedicated fellow County men and women) , every euro should be welcomed

Not disputing the work that's being done by the fundraisers I'm questioning the type of fundraising being done. In my opinion it's very amateurish and if you take a look at the confined draw being run at the moment by DLS school its something on that level we should be aiming for where good money can be made on a consistent basis.

tomwaterford

PTH2009 wrote: »

If we had a decent stadium we could hold an open air concert with a major touring act (anyone remember the disasters we had previous years for fundraising ? Jedward, Shane McGowan,Bressie).

A challenge match for our footballers against someone like the Dublin seniors/all star 15 etc in Walsh park Wud be a good idea and might raise a bit of money.

But would all the cost of building said stadium ever be recouped via concerts??

I'd rather see money raised being used to train teams etc than as down payments on a willy waving exercise of a stadium

Though if they could upgrade Walsh park along the lines of nowlan park/pairc ui rinn it would be good...nothing too excessive


Fraher field is a nice tidy little pitch and doesn't need huge money to be spent on it to keep it ticking over...but Walsh park is getting to a stage if it gets much worse it'll only be fit to be bulldozed

mountgomery burns

cul beag wrote: »

Speaking of which are we not scrapping the arse of the barrel with this type of fundraising? Management team went over to a pub in London again some weeks ago and raised around 10k! The breakfast talk held in Lawlors amounted to 110 tickets sold and around 70 turned up on the day! Come on,really? Is this the best we can do? Can you see Brian Cody prostituting himself around the place for pittance amount of money? Hopefully the Punchestown event will bring in a decent amount of money that we know is needed to keep the ship afloat but surely there are better,bigger ways of raising serious cash to fund the teams?

10K is some going to raise from a pub if is is true.

Would think theyd be holding fundraisers in London every weekend if it were.

Fred C Dobbs

cul beag wrote: »

Speaking of which are we not scrapping the arse of the barrel with this type of fundraising? Management team went over to a pub in London again some weeks ago and raised around 10k! The breakfast talk held in Lawlors amounted to 110 tickets sold and around 70 turned up on the day! Come on,really? Is this the best we can do? Can you see Brian Cody prostituting himself around the place for pittance amount of money? Hopefully the Punchestown event will bring in a decent amount of money that we know is needed to keep the ship afloat but surely there are better,bigger ways of raising serious cash to fund the teams?

Think you should withdraw those remarks. If the management and players/ex players are prepared to give up the weekend for the cause, where's the downside in that ? Waterford doesn't have a generous benefactor such as JP McManus. Also, it's a great opportunity for Waterford people leaving in and around London to meet the the management/players in a relaxed, social setting.

robopaddy2

Bitching and begrudgery will never be dead in gaa circles thats for sure. It takes a fairly grounded bunch of guys to stick their neck out and ask for the publics help to get the support that the county board cant give them. Theyre not a prima donna county team who goes on strike or who throws in the towel when things arent laid out on a plate for them. Theyve showed that more than once. To be fair to derek mcgrath since he came in first day he told the players they will have to fundraise themselves if they want to get to the financial level some of the other counties have. Thats just how it is and where were at. Hurlers on the ditch will sit behind a keyboard and slate their efforts but the real hurlers are out there trying to make things happen. I hope they get their just rewards on the end