Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

JesusRef

courtylad wrote: »

Dylan Guiry - Fourmilewater/The Nire, was the County Minor football Captain last year. Third year on the minor footballers played corner forward - wing forward in 2014, corner forward and captain 2015 probably be centre forward next week in the football. Great footballer, starts for the Nire corner forward at senior, first year on the minor hurlers. More of an athlete than a natural hurler but the majority of your duals are.

Neil Montgomery, probably the best Minor footballer in the county last year asides from Conor Prunty. Abbeyside/Balinacourty. Was on the county minor footballers last year at wing back. Used to be a savage rugby player for Munster and gave it up this year. Dropped off the footballers to concentrate on hurling. Interesting position to play him in, big lad, quick, will be about pumping quick ball into him for him to break id say. Would of saw him elsewhere out the pitch. Natural Wing back, Midfielder, Centre Forward. If he stayed on the Co Footballers this year he would of been captain.


Biggest Threat for us - Cathal Curran - Brickey Rangers, brother of Cormac Curran, surprised hes not centre back midfield. First year on County Minor hurlers and footballers. Got dropped last year from the 40 on the hurlers but came into his element over the summer at minor - intermediate. Not a natural wing forward, far too good to play there... Farther the championship goes I say he'll end up out at midfield/centre back. Biggest threat for us going forward though, like his brother great to take a score. If left in the forward however he could be the top scorer asides from the free taker.

Glen Water - Dungarvan is Injured last I heard. Should be back for the next round. Wasnt centre forward last year, started corner forward against tipp and i dont think he was against limerick... Was Andy Molumphy if i remember correctly. Will probably return to maybe in corner forward or midfield.

Who should be there? Conor Whelan - Brickey Rangers, highest scorer in Minor division 2 last year, has another year on the age, quick, strong and fast, was a good performer in u21 when brickeys ran into the u21 Western B final against Fourmilewater. A future waterford senior hurler. Should be played Midfield - Forwards.
Liam O' Connell - St. Olivers/Gerdlines, Last year minor, doesnt tog for county it seems. Should be starting football aswell as the hurling. Midfield - Forwards. Best player for Gerdlines last year in both codes and consistant St. Olivers performer at minor u21.

The weakness? The 6 backs are the weakness, play the hand your dealt from there is more there. Individual only Darragh McGrath will play co senior and is a standout. Rest are average for this level. Would of played Cathal Curran at Centre back, Eoghan Murray and Michael O' Brien on the wings. Billy Nolan should be out the field and probably will be after this game. There are decent keepers in this county. Have a suspicion we will stay in it til last 15 may even lead at half time but I think cork will have the quality. Decent squad, has to be shaped abit different, where players are playing etc. A loss might what this team needs, losing gives them a playoff second chance and the management will see the flaws in the system player wise. I understand picking the best team possible, lads injured, great to win straight away if this team can knock off cork with ease. But they scrap over cork and think its a winning formation will these players in them positions get knocked off by limerick or tipp. Remember 2013? Lost the first game to Tipp. The team got reshaped and we won an all-ireland. Sometimes its better to lose and see what needs to be fixed. Please do not quote that<

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I do not want to hear about winning mentality. Alex Ferguson will tell you losing is almost as good as winning at times. Shows you what you need to fix to win. Problem may be, and I hope Cork wont exploit it is our wing backs. Michael O' Brien is a gifted hurler, tall, strong, great catch. Not fast enough for the position. Cork have any sense and done abit of scouting they'll know to play a small trickly colin dunford esque player there and exploit that flank. By pass our half back line aerial and we might lose the game. 2) Conor Curran - Ring, 3) Jack Lacey - Dungarvan, 4) Darragh McGrath. 2 & 3 are late changes it seems if you go by WATERFORD GAA twitter. Curran is a dual footballer in his 2nd year and hasnt played quality hurling so he may struggle, abit slow, built like a tank though so it will depend who he marks and how he reacts to a higher level. Lacey im okay with. Small sized full back line. Darragh McGrath 5ft 7-9, Conor Curran 5ft 7-10, Jack Lacey, 5ft 10 - 6ft 1.

Don't know what them changes mean. Just saw them there on Munster GAA. Hopefully it will be the start to a decent campaign and bag a munster at the minimum. Havent one won in years even when we won the all ireland!!!! And if you have any further questions on waterford GAA my book is available on Amazon .

Thanks for the update - being outside the county I always try to keep in touch with the minors to see what's coming up

robopaddy2

courtylad wrote: »

Dylan Guiry - Fourmilewater/The Nire, was the County Minor football Captain last year. Third year on the minor footballers played corner forward - wing forward in 2014, corner forward and captain 2015 probably be centre forward next week in the football. Great footballer, starts for the Nire corner forward at senior, first year on the minor hurlers. More of an athlete than a natural hurler but the majority of your duals are.

Neil Montgomery, probably the best Minor footballer in the county last year asides from Conor Prunty. Abbeyside/Balinacourty. Was on the county minor footballers last year at wing back. Used to be a savage rugby player for Munster and gave it up this year. Dropped off the footballers to concentrate on hurling. Interesting position to play him in, big lad, quick, will be about pumping quick ball into him for him to break id say. Would of saw him elsewhere out the pitch. Natural Wing back, Midfielder, Centre Forward. If he stayed on the Co Footballers this year he would of been captain.


Biggest Threat for us - Cathal Curran - Brickey Rangers, brother of Cormac Curran, surprised hes not centre back midfield. First year on County Minor hurlers and footballers. Got dropped last year from the 40 on the hurlers but came into his element over the summer at minor - intermediate. Not a natural wing forward, far too good to play there... Farther the championship goes I say he'll end up out at midfield/centre back. Biggest threat for us going forward though, like his brother great to take a score. If left in the forward however he could be the top scorer asides from the free taker.

Glen Water - Dungarvan is Injured last I heard. Should be back for the next round. Wasnt centre forward last year, started corner forward against tipp and i dont think he was against limerick... Was Andy Molumphy if i remember correctly. Will probably return to maybe in corner forward or midfield.

Who should be there? Conor Whelan - Brickey Rangers, highest scorer in Minor division 2 last year, has another year on the age, quick, strong and fast, was a good performer in u21 when brickeys ran into the u21 Western B final against Fourmilewater. A future waterford senior hurler. Should be played Midfield - Forwards.
Liam O' Connell - St. Olivers/Gerdlines, Last year minor, doesnt tog for county it seems. Should be starting football aswell as the hurling. Midfield - Forwards. Best player for Gerdlines last year in both codes and consistant St. Olivers performer at minor u21.

The weakness? The 6 backs are the weakness, play the hand your dealt from there is more there. Individual only Darragh McGrath will play co senior and is a standout. Rest are average for this level. Would of played Cathal Curran at Centre back, Eoghan Murray and Michael O' Brien on the wings. Billy Nolan should be out the field and probably will be after this game. There are decent keepers in this county. Have a suspicion we will stay in it til last 15 may even lead at half time but I think cork will have the quality. Decent squad, has to be shaped abit different, where players are playing etc. A loss might what this team needs, losing gives them a playoff second chance and the management will see the flaws in the system player wise. I understand picking the best team possible, lads injured, great to win straight away if this team can knock off cork with ease. But they scrap over cork and think its a winning formation will these players in them positions get knocked off by limerick or tipp. Remember 2013? Lost the first game to Tipp. The team got reshaped and we won an all-ireland. Sometimes its better to lose and see what needs to be fixed. Please do not quote that<

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I do not want to hear about winning mentality. Alex Ferguson will tell you losing is almost as good as winning at times. Shows you what you need to fix to win. Problem may be, and I hope Cork wont exploit it is our wing backs. Michael O' Brien is a gifted hurler, tall, strong, great catch. Not fast enough for the position. Cork have any sense and done abit of scouting they'll know to play a small trickly colin dunford esque player there and exploit that flank. By pass our half back line aerial and we might lose the game. 2) Conor Curran - Ring, 3) Jack Lacey - Dungarvan, 4) Darragh McGrath. 2 & 3 are late changes it seems if you go by WATERFORD GAA twitter. Curran is a dual footballer in his 2nd year and hasnt played quality hurling so he may struggle, abit slow, built like a tank though so it will depend who he marks and how he reacts to a higher level. Lacey im okay with. Small sized full back line. Darragh McGrath 5ft 7-9, Conor Curran 5ft 7-10, Jack Lacey, 5ft 10 - 6ft 1.

Don't know what them changes mean. Just saw them there on Munster GAA. Hopefully it will be the start to a decent campaign and bag a munster at the minimum. Havent one won in years even when we won the all ireland!!!! And if you have any further questions on waterford GAA my book is available on Amazon .

Basically a half hour synopsis of what youve seen of these lads as footballers then and just hazarding a guess as to what their like as hurlers. A load of non information if you ask me... oveehyping lads that arent there and writing off players that are starting. Its obvious you know nothing about the lads from the east and havent even see many of these players play. They are minors lets give them a chance. Anyway heres to a good hammering so we can find out a lot more about ourselves!!!

thesultan

Is Douglas our main man?

The Dickler

thesultan wrote: »

Is Douglas our main man?

Are you nuts?
Sure he comes from east of Kilmac and has not played for the minor footballers for the last 9 years. Where would he be going sure?
He'd just wanna keep out of the way.

courtylad

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Basically a half hour synopsis of what youve seen of these lads as footballers then and just hazarding a guess as to what their like as hurlers. A load of non information if you ask me... oveehyping lads that arent there and writing off players that are starting. Its obvious you know nothing about the lads from the east and havent even see many of these players play. They are minors lets give them a chance. Anyway heres to a good hammering so we can find out a lot more about ourselves!!!

You read that again... I listed where we were weak, our biggest threat, who should be there, etc. I mentioned the lads they were questions over. More Wests than Easts. They asked about the players and I provided the information. Just cause have the starting team was involved with the co minor footballers, which i stated, doesnt mean i didnt talk hurling. Not really overhyping? Glen Waters? Started last year, he'll be there later on. Conor Whelan be on the bench. Liam O' Connell doesnt tog county, I hardly called that hype. I listed where they were weak. Half Backs. Not the greatnesses, Eoghan Murray, decent hurler, came on as a sub last year, scored a point. Likes to run the ball, plays off left and right. Big enough but you wanted your best reader of the game at centre back, Cathal Curran. You obviously havent seen much of hurling bar the east. Jack Lacey, not the biggest for full back, quick though so Cork may have a smaller full forward like they often do. Darragh McGrath is the best player on the field, best man marker at minor. Redmond is 21-21 decent aerial, he'll do the dog work. You know nothing about management if you think losing is a bad thing. Losing will show you what you need to fix for the big games.


You know what, ive a great idea, we'll start you small, go out and get football manager 16. Try and get Ireland to the euros first go cause its basically knockout, you can afford to lose one game in the group. You get them to the euros. First thing you'll do, get a friendly against a top nation, see what needs to be changed. Same as in GAA management, its great beating cork but its no good if your going to lose to limerick or tipperary because you think you've a winning system. And if you come back and they could do that in a friendly its not the same, no team togs there full team in a friendly 90% of the time. How do I know this? Years of management. Robopaddy2 its simple, ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer cause it's clear you've never managed a team to success.

courtylad

The Dickler wrote: »

Are you nuts?
Sure he comes from east of Kilmac and has not played for the minor footballers for the last 9 years. Where would he be going sure?
He'd just wanna keep out of the way.

He'll roam out to the half forward line, or Mahoney will, doubt they'll be a sweeper, wasnt last i heard. When you put an athlete on the edge of the square the idea is to pump ball into space and let him win it, Montgomery will do that. I was only informing others of their background information, its nice to know.

cul beag

Kingston wielded the axe with the Cork panel,can we expect any casualties from the league to the championship squad? Surely Shane O Sullivan is surplus to requirements at this stage? He looked so far off the pace in his last game it wasn't even funny! It must be surely Brick's last hurrah aswell. He hasn't been a shadow of his former self this year so far,a real shame to see it. Maybe he stayed on a year too long? I'm not advocating he should be dropped now before there's carnage on the page,I still think he has a lot to offer the panel for the rest of the season but the O Sullivan"lovefest" is amazing if not amusing to say the least!

courtylad

cul beag wrote: »

Kingston wielded the axe with the Cork panel,can we expect any casualties from the league to the championship squad? Surely Shane O Sullivan is surplus to requirements at this stage? He looked so far off the pace in his last game it wasn't even funny! It must be surely Brick's last hurrah aswell. He hasn't been a shadow of his former self this year so far,a real shame to see it. Maybe he stayed on a year too long? I'm not advocating he should be dropped now before there's carnage on the page,I still think he has a lot to offer the panel for the rest of the season but the O Sullivan"lovefest" is amazing if not amusing to say the least!

There was a stage people were calling Tony Browne to be dropped before he pushed back into the hurlers in his late 30's. Brick is good for morale, he's a natural midfielder, back, he could come back yet, Browne did it. Will be down to his commitment. I doubt its his last year, aslong as he wants to ball for waterford he should be there, if not playing for experience. Such a young squad you need the old guard. I would like to see him back at centre back but he wont get that spot. Played as a third midfielder given license to roam he'd do damage. Not a natural forward, its been tried, doesnt work. But when you meet your kilkennys, tipperary's and galways the hardy men. There may be 5 better forwards on the bench but there isnt a better player on the pitch when it will come to experience, winning high/dirty ball, throwing shoulder, breaking hurleys and doing the dog work than the Brick. Main reason why he should start until theres a proper replacement for him. Like Ryan Giggs at Manchester United, he may of been 35-40 but when it comes to the big games he was going to be starting.

cul beag

courtylad wrote: »

There was a stage people were calling Tony Browne to be dropped before he pushed back into the hurlers in his late 30's. Brick is good for morale, he's a natural midfielder, back, he could come back yet, Browne did it. Will be down to his commitment. I doubt its his last year, aslong as he wants to ball for waterford he should be there, if not playing for experience. Such a young squad you need the old guard. I would like to see him back at centre back but he wont get that spot. Played as a third midfielder given license to roam he'd do damage. Not a natural forward, its been tried, doesnt work. But when you meet your kilkennys, tipperary's and galways the hardy men. There may be 5 better forwards on the bench but there isnt a better player on the pitch when it will come to experience, winning high/dirty ball, throwing shoulder, breaking hurleys and doing the dog work than the Brick. Main reason why he should start until theres a proper replacement for him. Like Ryan Giggs at Manchester United, he may of been 35-40 but when it comes to the big games he was going to be starting.

And O Sullivan adds what???

courtylad

cul beag wrote: »

And O Sullivan adds what???

Not really a brick, a legend, he'll be remembered but not like brick. Brick is one of the best XV in history of waterford hurling. Its like a child growing up, every manchester united fan wanted to be Paul Scholes, nobody grew up wanting to be Darren Flecther. O' Sullivan be alot like Darren Flecther, great in his day but when he gets old you move him on to make room for new lads. Quality player and a great servant, but when it comes to picking an Old Guard you have Kevin Moran and Michael Walsh, nearly throw Connors into that mix. Keeping three old guards is normally the rule of thumb even if there gone past there prime. Personally id keep him on the panel, not for starting but for experiencem to help the young lads. Good friends with McGrath - going nowhere.

robopaddy2

courtylad wrote: »

You read that again... I listed where we were weak, our biggest threat, who should be there, etc. I mentioned the lads they were questions over. More Wests than Easts. They asked about the players and I provided the information. Just cause have the starting team was involved with the co minor footballers, which i stated, doesnt mean i didnt talk hurling. Not really overhyping? Glen Waters? Started last year, he'll be there later on. Conor Whelan be on the bench. Liam O' Connell doesnt tog county, I hardly called that hype. I listed where they were weak. Half Backs. Not the greatnesses, Eoghan Murray, decent hurler, came on as a sub last year, scored a point. Likes to run the ball, plays off left and right. Big enough but you wanted your best reader of the game at centre back, Cathal Curran. You obviously havent seen much of hurling bar the east. Jack Lacey, not the biggest for full back, quick though so Cork may have a smaller full forward like they often do. Darragh McGrath is the best player on the field, best man marker at minor. Redmond is 21-21 decent aerial, he'll do the dog work. You know nothing about management if you think losing is a bad thing. Losing will show you what you need to fix for the big games.


You know what, ive a great idea, we'll start you small, go out and get football manager 16. Try and get Ireland to the euros first go cause its basically knockout, you can afford to lose one game in the group. You get them to the euros. First thing you'll do, get a friendly against a top nation, see what needs to be changed. Same as in GAA management, its great beating cork but its no good if your going to lose to limerick or tipperary because you think you've a winning system. And if you come back and they could do that in a friendly its not the same, no team togs there full team in a friendly 90% of the time. How do I know this? Years of management. Robopaddy2 its simple, ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer cause it's clear you've never managed a team to success.

Not overhyping? You describe one lad as the 'best hurler on the field' yet hes playing corner back to do a man marking job and there is no mention of a major Cork forward of any significance? Also the full forward is a county minor footballer and 'a good athlete aswell' so lets send the sliothar high into him.... brilliant. I can see your years of managerial success shining through right there

robopaddy2

courtylad wrote: »

nearly throw Connors into that mix. Keeping three old guards is normally the rule of thumb even if there gone past there prime.

Connors is 25

courtylad

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Not overhyping? You describe one lad as the 'best hurler on the field' yet he plays as a corner back to do a man marking job yet there is no mention of a Cork forward of any significance? Also the full forward is a county minor footballer and 'a good athlete aswell' so lets send the sliothar high into him.... brilliant. I can see your years of managerial success shining through right there

Darragh McGrath is the best player on the field...Ask anyone that. Neil Montgomery is a work horse, quick and fast and a decent hurler who can take a score. At this level its all about the team who does the dog work the best not who has the most skill.

courtylad

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Connors is 25

Age doesnt matter when it comes to being part of the Old Guard, definition of old guard is "the original or long-standing members of a group". Stop trolling you lost... Move on.

robopaddy2

courtylad wrote: »

Age doesnt matter when it comes to being part of the Old Guard, definition of old guard is "the original or long-standing members of a group". Stop trolling you lost... Move on.

Words fail me.... so yes youre right there is literally no comeback to some of the stuff you have come up with!

courtylad

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Words fail me.... so yes youre right there is literally no comeback to some of the stuff you have come up with!

Oh well... you tried better luck next time little buddy.

robopaddy2

Anyway, going back to the Cork one. Can't compare like with like there. Theres more to that than meets the eye. O'Neill, O'Sullivan and Cronin are the last links left to the strikes. Kieran Kingston being a 'Frank Murphy' man they were always going to be moved on at the first signs they were showing rustiness. There are a lot worse players on that panel who haven't been dropped

Waternut

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Anyway, going back to the Cork one. Can't compare like with like there. Theres more to that than meets the eye. O'Neill, O'Sullivan and Cronin are the last links left to the strikes. Kieran Kingston being a 'Frank Murphy' man they were always going to be moved on at the first signs they were showing rustiness. There are a lot worse players on that panel who haven't been dropped

Don't think Kingston would be concerned with that sort of stuff, that was 6 or 7 years ago now. Look, Paudi has been on the Cork panel for the last 7 or 8 years and hasn't really done it. Had one or two good games and everyone has been waiting for him to explode onto the scene with consistent high performances. It hasn't happened for the last 7 or 8 years and lets be honest, its not going to happen in the future. Moylan is a dame fine hurler but unfortunately not county standard. Pa has been blowing hot and cold for the last few years too. I'm not really that surprised with those land to be honest, there is little point in carrying them especially when they are all 27/28 years old. Cork really need to clear the decks, a bit like McGrath did in 2014.

I've seen it with Waterford over the years where we have kept lands on the panel for 7 / 8 years and they haven't really broken through and challenged for a place on the team. What's the point? Give a lad a few years to break through, train at the required standard and if he doesn't make it then give another lad a chance.

The blue blaa

courtylad wrote: »

Dylan Guiry - Fourmilewater/The Nire, was the County Minor football Captain last year. Third year on the minor footballers played corner forward - wing forward in 2014, corner forward and captain 2015 probably be centre forward next week in the football. Great footballer, starts for the Nire corner forward at senior, first year on the minor hurlers. More of an athlete than a natural hurler but the majority of your duals are.

Neil Montgomery, probably the best Minor footballer in the county last year asides from Conor Prunty. Abbeyside/Balinacourty. Was on the county minor footballers last year at wing back. Used to be a savage rugby player for Munster and gave it up this year. Dropped off the footballers to concentrate on hurling. Interesting position to play him in, big lad, quick, will be about pumping quick ball into him for him to break id say. Would of saw him elsewhere out the pitch. Natural Wing back, Midfielder, Centre Forward. If he stayed on the Co Footballers this year he would of been captain.


Biggest Threat for us - Cathal Curran - Brickey Rangers, brother of Cormac Curran, surprised hes not centre back midfield. First year on County Minor hurlers and footballers. Got dropped last year from the 40 on the hurlers but came into his element over the summer at minor - intermediate. Not a natural wing forward, far too good to play there... Farther the championship goes I say he'll end up out at midfield/centre back. Biggest threat for us going forward though, like his brother great to take a score. If left in the forward however he could be the top scorer asides from the free taker.

Glen Water - Dungarvan is Injured last I heard. Should be back for the next round. Wasnt centre forward last year, started corner forward against tipp and i dont think he was against limerick... Was Andy Molumphy if i remember correctly. Will probably return to maybe in corner forward or midfield.

Who should be there? Conor Whelan - Brickey Rangers, highest scorer in Minor division 2 last year, has another year on the age, quick, strong and fast, was a good performer in u21 when brickeys ran into the u21 Western B final against Fourmilewater. A future waterford senior hurler. Should be played Midfield - Forwards.
Liam O' Connell - St. Olivers/Gerdlines, Last year minor, doesnt tog for county it seems. Should be starting football aswell as the hurling. Midfield - Forwards. Best player for Gerdlines last year in both codes and consistant St. Olivers performer at minor u21.

The weakness? The 6 backs are the weakness, play the hand your dealt from there is more there. Individual only Darragh McGrath will play co senior and is a standout. Rest are average for this level. Would of played Cathal Curran at Centre back, Eoghan Murray and Michael O' Brien on the wings. Billy Nolan should be out the field and probably will be after this game. There are decent keepers in this county. Have a suspicion we will stay in it til last 15 may even lead at half time but I think cork will have the quality. Decent squad, has to be shaped abit different, where players are playing etc. A loss might what this team needs, losing gives them a playoff second chance and the management will see the flaws in the system player wise. I understand picking the best team possible, lads injured, great to win straight away if this team can knock off cork with ease. But they scrap over cork and think its a winning formation will these players in them positions get knocked off by limerick or tipp. Remember 2013? Lost the first game to Tipp. The team got reshaped and we won an all-ireland. Sometimes its better to lose and see what needs to be fixed. Please do not quote that<

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I do not want to hear about winning mentality. Alex Ferguson will tell you losing is almost as good as winning at times. Shows you what you need to fix to win. Problem may be, and I hope Cork wont exploit it is our wing backs. Michael O' Brien is a gifted hurler, tall, strong, great catch. Not fast enough for the position. Cork have any sense and done abit of scouting they'll know to play a small trickly colin dunford esque player there and exploit that flank. By pass our half back line aerial and we might lose the game. 2) Conor Curran - Ring, 3) Jack Lacey - Dungarvan, 4) Darragh McGrath. 2 & 3 are late changes it seems if you go by WATERFORD GAA twitter. Curran is a dual footballer in his 2nd year and hasnt played quality hurling so he may struggle, abit slow, built like a tank though so it will depend who he marks and how he reacts to a higher level. Lacey im okay with. Small sized full back line. Darragh McGrath 5ft 7-9, Conor Curran 5ft 7-10, Jack Lacey, 5ft 10 - 6ft 1.

Don't know what them changes mean. Just saw them there on Munster GAA. Hopefully it will be the start to a decent campaign and bag a munster at the minimum. Havent one won in years even when we won the all ireland!!!! And if you have any further questions on waterford GAA my book is available on Amazon .

Cathal Curran is midfield tomorrow

Conor Whelan not on panel defo not in 24 anyway.

Darragh McGrath is good an will line out wingback not corner an as your a courty man your right to be proud of your own but credit the other lads who are after making it this far. To be ridiculed by someone like yourself before a ball is thrown in for god sake their children i pray to god they havnt read your synopsis.

Donal Power drops back in corner back.

Liam O Connell & Lee Wall two outstanding players chose not to play minor this year after being on the panel last year. If I'm correct they chose education first and i admire them both for that. Young Tom Barron brother of Jamie is
On the bench and he has hopefully got a right future ahead of himself and hes minor next year.

Now look i wont get into anymore but give these lads the support they need, instead of ruining their chances before they play.
Its an open forum and their underage so less of the petty insults please get behind them and if its about their huing talk about it tomorrow in a mannerly way please.

PTH2009

So we have 3 games to get to a Munster minor semi final ??

If we lose vs cork we will play Tipperary in the 1st playoff. Win that and we're in a semi final.

Lose vs Tipperary and we play the loser of the Clare vs Limerick qf

Beat cork in the qfs and we're in the semi finals.

It's the same format for the all Ireland series as in 2013.

Qfs
Losing Munster finalist vs Ulster champions
Losing leinster finalist vs Galway

Orizio

Sounds like you have a very strong Minor team there Cortylad. Mercifully the way the championship is run its better for Cork to lose than win.

Cake Man

PTH2009 wrote: »

So we have 3 games to get to a Munster minor semi final ??

If we lose vs cork we will play Tipperary in the 1st playoff. Win that and we're in a semi final.

Lose vs Tipperary and we play the loser of the Clare vs Limerick qf

Beat cork in the qfs and we're in the semi finals.

It's the same format for the all Ireland series as in 2013.

Qfs
Losing Munster finalist vs Ulster champions
Losing leinster finalist vs Galway

I very much doubt it's the case that you can lose two games in Munster and still be in it. Beat Cork and it's straight into a semi final. Lose to Cork and it's a playoff (lose the play-off and that's surely curtains). But looking at the Munster fixtures page for the minor championship. it's fairly confusing. It would suggest that if we lost against Cork, we could also afford to lose again v Tipp and still have a game against the loser of Limerick & Clare. Doesn't add up.
http://munster.gaa.ie/fixtures/minor/


I wonder did they forget to put Kerry in there somewhere or misplace a number or something. In any case, beating Cork and straight into a semi final is just the easiest way to go.

mountgomery burns

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Not overhyping? You describe one lad as the 'best hurler on the field' yet hes playing corner back to do a man marking job and there is no mention of a major Cork forward of any significance? Also the full forward is a county minor footballer and 'a good athlete aswell' so lets send the sliothar high into him.... brilliant. I can see your years of managerial success shining through right there

Jamie Barron played two years corner back at minor, can't think of anyone better than him that played on the 2011 minor team.

Plenty of lads progress beyond what was expected of them at minor level. And plenty more regress past the class they showed at the grade. Enjoy the game lads, no need to be analyzing 16-18 year olds.

deiseach

Cake Man wrote: »

I very much doubt it's the case that you can lose two games in Munster and still be in it. Beat Cork and it's straight into a semi final. Lose to Cork and it's a playoff (lose the play-off and that's surely curtains). But looking at the Munster fixtures page for the minor championship. it's fairly confusing. It would suggest that if we lost against Cork, we could also afford to lose again v Tipp and still have a game against the loser of Limerick & Clare. Doesn't add up.
http://munster.gaa.ie/fixtures/minor/


I wonder did they forget to put Kerry in there somewhere or misplace a number or something. In any case, beating Cork and straight into a semi final is just the easiest way to go.

God help me for saying this, but PTH2009 is right. The loser of game 2 (Waterford-Cork) goes into game 3. The loser of that game (Tipperary or Waterford-Cork) goes into game 4 against the loser of game 1 (Limerick-Clare). Either Waterford or Cork could lose two games and end up in the semi-finals. I understand what they are trying to do - make sure everyone gets two games - but there has to be a better way.

JesusRef

deiseach wrote: »

God help me for saying this, but PTH2009 is right. The loser of game 2 (Waterford-Cork) goes into game 3. The loser of that game (Tipperary or Waterford-Cork) goes into game 4 against the loser of game 1 (Limerick-Clare). Either Waterford or Cork could lose two games and end up in the semi-finals. I understand what they are trying to do - make sure everyone gets two games - but there has to be a better way.

So basically you can lose twice, play 6 games to play in a munster minor final, lose that and play three more games to potentially get to a AI minor final.

It's a five team competition, if they did it on a league basis (4 games) with the top two going to the final (5th game).
I know it might be tough with lads doing the leaving and burnout etc but a team could play just as many games in the current system.

The Munster Minor championship is a brilliant competition, it is highly competitive - a league basis would be a great competition

Mehapoy

JesusRef wrote: »

So basically you can lose twice, play 6 games to play in a munster minor final, lose that and play three more games to potentially get to a AI minor final.

It's a five team competition, if they did it on a league basis (4 games) with the top two going to the final (5th game).
I know it might be tough with lads doing the leaving and burnout etc but a team could play just as many games in the current system.

The Munster Minor championship is a brilliant competition, it is highly competitive - a league basis would be a great competition

Been saying it for awhile, it would be the most straight forward way to run it off, everybody gets the same number of games, 2 home, 2 away, could play it in April to the middle of May, top two into the Munster final, or 2 vs 3 in an after leaving play off...at least then lads get 4 games to bed into inter county, none of this 1 team getting 1 chance and another getting 3...
The admins are scared of round robin though as they think its too like soccer or something..

Fireball07

Mehapoy wrote: »

Been saying it for awhile, it would be the most straight forward way to run it off, everybody gets the same number of games, 2 home, 2 away, could play it in April to the middle of May, top two into the Munster final, or 2 vs 3 in an after leaving play off...at least then lads get 4 games to bed into inter county, none of this 1 team getting 1 chance and another getting 3...
The admins are scared of round robin though as they think its too like soccer or something..

At minor level, this format would work as it's just unfair at the moment.

Wouldn't be a fan of it at senior level though.

deiseach

Mehapoy wrote: »

The admins are scared of round robin though as they think its too like soccer or something..

The Munster Council are wedded to certain pomposities, e.g. Munster hurling championship games must all be staged in a venue worthy of the grandeur of the title so we have Minor and Under-21 games rattling around in Thurles when they could be comfortably played in Bansha. I think the time for a round robin format at Minor level has arrived. There might be issues with the Leaving Cert and all that but we have that problem anyway, it would eliminate replays, and surely young fellas would rather be playing games rather than training. Wouldn't it be grand to have two Minor games guaranteed at home every year? Might even sell a few more season tickets based on that.

thesultan

Shouldn't be a problem with u17 next as they can't play senior with their clubs anyhow

PTH2009

forgot to mention although its a nice enough stadium wexford park really needs to invest in a match clock. Even Walsh Park has one