cul beag wrote: » Speaking of which are we not scrapping the arse of the barrel with this type of fundraising? Management team went over to a pub in London again some weeks ago and raised around 10k! The breakfast talk held in Lawlors amounted to 110 tickets sold and around 70 turned up on the day! Come on,really? Is this the best we can do? Can you see Brian Cody prostituting himself around the place for pittance amount of money? Hopefully the Punchestown event will bring in a decent amount of money that we know is needed to keep the ship afloat but surely there are better,bigger ways of raising serious cash to fund the teams?
PTH2009 wrote: » If we had a decent stadium we could hold an open air concert with a major touring act (anyone remember the disasters we had previous years for fundraising ? Jedward, Shane McGowan,Bressie). A challenge match for our footballers against someone like the Dublin seniors/all star 15 etc in Walsh park Wud be a good idea and might raise a bit of money.
JesusRef wrote: » It's a pretty well worn path for every county, every Club, every national school in the country are looking for their share of the pot to keep things going. Fair play to anyone who goes to the effort of raising any money towards the cause of improving the training conditions of the lucky ones who represent our county (with some distinction, currently hurling, camogie and LGF teams are the holders of titles - it's easy to be proud of our hard working and dedicated fellow County men and women) , every euro should be welcomed
PTH2009 wrote: » With a number of our senior players and management in London for the club deise dinner dance dis weekend I imagine there's no training dis weekend ??
courtylad wrote: » Tom Kelly no idea who that is... Heard it off Mickey Harte 1996-2004, that is what you do to win. That in fairness was abit rough over the dead relative. I think it was to a Donegal player in u21, Michael Carrol. You are instructed in ulster especially at that level when a defender to get into the head of the man your marker by any means necessary. That is a regular occurrence in ulster at u16,verbal assault. I wouldn't know advise it due to the current mental health crisis but if a player I managed did it I wouldn't mind.
STIG83 wrote: » Who is? Tom Kelly was funny in fairness.
deiseach wrote: » A poor Tom Kelly imitator.
Deskjockey wrote: » I really hope you have no involvement in training teams, whether juvenile or adult, having read that violent nonsense you just posted. Go in hard and play by the rules by all means, but that thuggery you describe sickens me. I'm sure you weren't surprised at that Tyrone player taunting a Tipperary kid about his dead relative, it sure fits in nicely with that win at all costs narrative, sickening despicable behaviour... but in your world, as long as your team wins the game, sure no problem.
courtylad wrote: » When I played Tyrone County at minor we had a distilled mentality that waterford always lacks. 1) This is our pitch, this was our fortress, you dont leave this pitch without a win, if they are better than you, you drag them down to your level by any means necessary to get the result. You never lose at home. 2) We put our head where these boys wouldnt dare put their boots. 3) Brute Fing Ignorance, we were made believe we were gods gift to football, that the other teams supports came to watch us play. 4) Ruthless Aggression, if you are in the backs, midfield or forwards you don't give your man an inch. If your a back you rack your boots down on your mans heel for fun, you pull his jersey if he tries to run, you hold his bicep if he tries to move. If he broke free you drove your elbow into his face. If he put a point over you put him to the ground and told him the next time he scores he stays down. If they get the ball in your 45 you get behind the ball and either smother, if they look like they are going threw to score you pull his jersey and give the free. You stood on the ball until the team had their shape back. if your a midfield when you with up to field you drove your elbow into the mans face if it looked like he was going to win the ball. If you were a forward you, hit and battered free from your marker. People say this is what ruins the game, this was part of the game when the black and tans stormed croke park. You can be like joe brolly and say your not a man if you do this, but in knockout championship you win at all costs, your not there to take part your there to win. If your bigger and more physical you should win the game. You look at my county Tyrone in football, they arent natural skill, were natural ignorance, belief we were sent down from above to dominate the game. That mentality is what we lacked last night. You go to kilkenny in hurling, they believe that, they play the man first, the ball second. If your a back and your man doesnt have the ball your job is done. Nothing else is your job unless your in a system. When i came down to waterford, played and togged club senior hurling for a good while, i saw it at my first waterford hurling match. The underdog mentality, this county has built in an ethos of not being the favourite, expect nothing from us and we'll surprise you. I was shocked. That is the reason we have had no alireland since 1951 i think. You cant instill a mentality in a team over a three month/6 month period, it takes years of breeding from u16 + when you can be more cyincal. It always shows against the likes of Cork, Kilkenny and Tipp, born to believe they are gods gift to hurling. if you believe your godS gift and have a team believing it you have the game 90% won because sport is all psychological, 10% skill and fitness. Anyone who reputes that go out and buy an autobiography of any gaa/sporting manager. Management was not up to scratch. A winning mentality has been distilled into waterford since 2013 of having all ireland semi finals an expectancy. Psychological, Tactical, Skill and Fitness. We lacked all of it against Cork last night. Even though i said its more economically to lose. I expected a better showing. Knowing I have three games before a semi final I would of honestly thrown the game. Let cork walk into a semi final thinking their better than us, compete with Tipperary and have my tactics spot on...Murray missed frees cause he ever played infront of such a crowd. Infront of a crowd that size to paraphrase Sir Tony O' Reilly "To be as good as you were you have to be twice as good as your were". You lose that step, that touch in a match like that. Hence why i would of rathered a loss personally, togged a team id like to see, make changes based on that game. Play tipp, win great, lose still fine. Play Clare must win, lose no excuses from the players or management. We had no backdoor in my era and we won, all the while distilling the mentality in the lads of how we want to play, telling them to treat them like friendlys. Telling them the clare game is our game. By the clare game, we would be flying in championship conditions. Its not the hardest game. Maybe the management did it on purpose. Three games to get it right before a semi final? I would of thrown it to get more time under there belts but i doubt they did. Not the hardest thing in the world but that team lacked everything i listed.
The blue blaa wrote: » We used eat glass and soak our hands in green diesel when i won 9 all irelands with KK
boodiebhoy wrote: » What "sport" was that courtylad?
courtylad wrote: » When I played Tyrone County at minor we had a distilled mentality that waterford always lacks. 1) This is our pitch, this was our fortress, you dont leave this pitch without a win, if they are better than you, you drag them down to your level by any means necessary to get the result. You never lose at home. 2) We put our head where these boys wouldnt dare put their boots. 3) Brute Fing Ignorance, we were made believe we were gods gift to football, that the other teams supports came to watch us play. 4) Ruthless Aggression, if you are in the backs, midfield or forwards you don't give your man an inch. If your a back you rack your boots down on your mans heel for fun, you pull his jersey if he tries to run, you hold his bicep if he tries to move. If he broke free you drove your elbow into his face. If he put a point over you put him to the ground and told him the next time he scores he stays down. If they get the ball in your 45 you get behind the ball and either smother, if they look like they are going threw to score you pull his jersey and give the free. You stood on the ball until the team had their shape back. if your a midfield when you with up to field you drove your elbow into the mans face if it looked like he was going to win the ball. If you were a forward you, hit and battered free from your marker. People say this is what ruins the game, this was part of the game when the black and tans stormed croke park. You can be like joe brolly and say your not a man if you do this, but in knockout championship you win at all costs, your not there to take part your there to win. If your bigger and more physical you should win the game. You look at my county Tyrone in football, they arent natural skill, were natural ignorance, belief we were sent down from above Not the hardest thing in the world but that team lacked everything i listed.
Horseboxhead wrote: » Really Great report by giveitfong there, was thinking exactly the same , When i got to the pitch last night , the first thing that hit me was how, big a side Waterford were, from goalkeeper right up the field, when we allowed Cork to dictate and play their hurling, they did and killed us, used to be a massive problem with Waterford underage side's, when the school's were not competing at the levels their at now, you'd go to a game and all of a sudden lads could not get to grips, mentally with the standard, and we would be bet, but it was such a weird game as when waterford had their two periods of almost[but not quite] Dominence, we could not score, as our first rule of thumb was plant the ball on the stick and run untill you lose it, or lay it off. I, for the first time in along time, went to a minor game not knowing anything about alot of the current waterford side, i assumed with all the work going on underage that they would be at least strong in the basics, and i also assumed they would be mentally right, as its a given now, when you are competitive in this grade like we have been now for a period of time, but it was almost a throwback, looked badly prepared, some looked unfit, touch was awful[and before some give out, dancing with the big boy's now], conditions were poor, but same for both , and we were at home, and there was a malaise and disbelief about the whole thing from about the third minute on, after we were 1-2 to no score up, bad decision making on and off the field[sweeper in the first half, Goalkeeper was able to hit the opposing 14 with puckouts with the gale], at home, smacked of disbelief, and even when we were on top, the overcarrying of the ball, and the shot selection just roars Amature set up, say what you like about previous set up's but they hit the ground running, and looked up for every game. Plus and this shouldn't HAPPEN AT THIS LEVEL, no way a father of one of the main players should be anywhere near the side, and espically not main man, can't happen, should never be let, because it can never be balanced no mater what anyone says, Switches and subs only made more of a case for poor sideline, as i thought everyone that came on was lively, and if i had to pick who i thought played well, Full back line cleaned but really Cork nulified our sweeper very cleverly, so sweeper was not working, O'brien the ger's, looked at least capable of winning and Striking the ball, caught for feet, but again it looked like a sharpness thing, but looked as if he believed he should be there, and Montomery from Abbeyside, won alot of ball, and tried to be Constructive with it, and not take the easy choice,scored a couple of Points, Goalkeeper was not tested, but Looked Competant, and the young lad that came on from Clonea, how did he not start?. This team has alot of the things you need to be successfull at this level, huge side, Apparently it was an off night, but unless at the very least you are fit , sharp, focoused have a sence of belief , and Marry that with the fact that alot of these guys are good hurlers, then your going back to the 90's in terms of where we were underage, someone took the eye off the ball here, not good enough.
robopaddy2 wrote: » Cork don't play again until 29th June, which sounds pretty ludicrous. But they are there in the semi final now and no matter what anyone says, the best route is the the direct one. If you're good enough you'll win your matches. This panel of players have been together since last October, you should have a fair idea of what your best side is at this stage and if you don't then there's problems with management. Yes there will be tweaks and changes but people are expecting this big massive turnaround the next day. The same happened last years we lost to Tipp in the first round and went out tamely to Limerick a couple weeks later. Not saying we can't end up back in the semi final but don't delude yourselves. That 2013 side was a once off talented bunch, they had no business losing that first game at all as they were a much stronger side than Tipp. They were actually a poorly managed side aswell imo but had so much talent they ended up getting through to an AI final and winning it.
HatchetMan7 wrote: » As bad as this sounds losing to Cork in the minor game was a good result. It took the 2013 team a few games to find their best 15 and proper positioning. But i suppose it all depends on how good the management team is too. Its ideal really as now we have another tough game against Tipp and look at lads in different positions before they settle on their best 15 before knockout championship.
