Dunnes workers to strike

CarrickMcJoe

Shame on Dunnes in Dundalk for sacking one of their workers for joining the picket.

end of the road

CarrickMcJoe wrote: »

Shame on Dunnes in Dundalk for sacking one of their workers for joining the picket.

didn't know about this. but sadly not surprised. what <snip>. hope the person finds better work in a place that will treat them with respect soon.

Greenmachine

CarrickMcJoe wrote: »

Shame on Dunnes in Dundalk for sacking one of their workers for joining the picket.

Was he a member of the union in question? Serious question.

PopePalpatine

end of the road wrote: »

didn't know about this. but sadly not surprised. what <snip>. hope the person finds better work in a place that will treat them with respect soon.

I hope they successfully sue Dunnes for unfair dismissal.

I await the Twatcherites' jeering.

Eric Cartman

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I hope they successfully sue Dunnes for unfair dismissal.

I await the Twatcherites' jeering.

I don't think anyone is going to jeer somebody losing their job, and hopefully this individual finds employment they're happy with soon, but this result was hardly surprising.

CarrickMcJoe

Greenmachine wrote: »

Was he a member of the union in question? Serious question.

Don't know. Doing the shopping yesterday and cashier we usually go to was telling us. Apparently he had 4 days to go before he would be made full time and management called him in and said he was no longer needed.
This was in the Marshes.

Tugboats

CarrickMcJoe wrote: »

Don't know. Doing the shopping yesterday and cashier we usually go to was telling us. Apparently he had 4 days to go before he would be made full time and management called him in and said he was no longer needed.
This was in the Marshes.

Probably nothing to with the strike. They let most people go before they can get a full time contract and climb the pay scale these days

tomwaterford

Greenmachine wrote: »

Was he a member of the union in question? Serious question.

What's that to do with anything.....no one anywhere should cross a picket line

Guffy

tomwaterford wrote: »

What's that to do with anything.....no one anywhere should cross a picket line

He doesn't have the protection of the union. He just decided he wasn't arsed going to work. IF he knew he wouldn't cross picket should have joined up the week before

Greyian

tomwaterford wrote: »

What's that to do with anything.....no one anywhere should cross a picket line

And why is that? Should everyone just support people who are on strike, regardless of their working conditions and salaries? If Dunnes workers were working 30 hour a week contracts, at €50 an hour, and the union decided to strike because they wanted €100/hour, should any/all staff members at Dunnes who are happy with their €50/hour refuse to work in support of those on strike, or are they entitled to be of the opinion that the people on strike are delusional and continue working as normal?

If you don't support what people are on strike for, you are under no obligation whatsoever to respect their picket line (in terms of not crossing it, obviously you can't start abusing them or anything like that).

end of the road

Greyian wrote: »

And why is that? Should everyone just support people who are on strike, regardless of their working conditions and salaries? If Dunnes workers were working 30 hour a week contracts, at €50 an hour, and the union decided to strike because they wanted €100/hour, should any/all staff members at Dunnes who are happy with their €50/hour refuse to work in support of those on strike, or are they entitled to be of the opinion that the people on strike are delusional and continue working as normal?

If you don't support what people are on strike for, you are under no obligation whatsoever to respect their picket line (in terms of not crossing it, obviously you can't start abusing them or anything like that).

its your duty not to cross a picket line. find an alternative entrance, turn up and be at the door before the picket is set up, whatever. just do not cross a picket.

johnnyskeleton

end of the road wrote: »

its your duty not to cross a picket line. find an alternative entrance, turn up and be at the door before the picket is set up, whatever. just do not cross a picket.

Again, is this only worker's/Union pickets? I mean, there are frequent pickets outside Leinster House / the Four Courts about everything from Water Charges to how the Lizard People have ruined democracy.

What if the picket was not about workers rights but was about a political issue e.g. Apartheid. If you don't care about politics and just want to buy some bread and Jam is it ok to cross the picket line?

What if the picketers were pro-Apartheid and were protesting the sale of goods from non-white owned South African companies?

Surely if you agree with the principle behind the picket, you should let this be known by not crossing and then Dunnes (in the present example) can say "hold on, business is down X% we'd better bow to public pressure" instead of a sort of automatic response of "people are protesting so therefore I will not cross their picket line"?

Brendan Bendar

end of the road wrote: »

its your duty not to cross a picket line. find an alternative entrance, turn up and be at the door before the picket is set up, whatever. just do not cross a picket.

Says who, I'll either cross or not cross any picket line I like mate .

I will decide.

Greyian

end of the road wrote: »

its your duty not to cross a picket line.

Is that enshrined in our constitution? Is there some legislation regarding crossing picket lines?

tomwaterford

Greyian wrote: »

Is that enshrined in our constitution? Is there some legislation regarding crossing picket lines?

No...but badly off would you want to be if you couldn't find a shop nearby with same goods etc as those on strike

Being honest I know people who don't talk to some of there neighbours for crossing s picket line 30 odd years ago!!

johnnyskeleton

tomwaterford wrote: »

No...but badly off would you want to be if you couldn't find a shop nearby with same goods etc as those on strike

Being honest I know people who don't talk to some of there neighbours for crossing s picket line 30 odd years ago!!

I have a fair bit of sympathy for the zero hours workers so I havent shopped in Dunnes recently. But surely it demeans the reasonable pickets if we are to treat all pickets as sacrosanct. If Consultants were picketing outside the hospitals because they wanted more money, for example, would you refuse to enter the hospital?

Guffy

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

I have a fair bit of sympathy for the zero hours workers so I havent shopped in Dunnes recently. But surely it demeans the reasonable pickets if we are to treat all pickets as sacrosanct. If Consultants were picketing outside the hospitals because they wanted more money, for example, would you refuse to enter the hospital?

There are no zero hour workers in Dunnes AFAIK

johnnyskeleton

gufc21 wrote: »

There are no zero hour workers in Dunnes AFAIK

Ok, lack of fixed/full hours contracts

efb

gufc21 wrote: »

There are no zero hour workers in Dunnes AFAIK

As defined in irish employment law- yes there are

jank

tomwaterford wrote: »

What's that to do with anything.....no one anywhere should cross a picket line

Why? Genuine question. This is a free country and if one wants to cross a picket and do a days work that is their constitutional right. Its that simple.

Guffy

efb wrote: »

As defined in irish employment law- yes there are

How are 15 hour contracts = zero hour contracts?

efb

gufc21 wrote: »

How are 15 hour contracts = zero hour contracts?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/contracts_of_employment/contracts_without_specific_working_hours_zero_hours_contracts.html

Rightwing

I don't believe in unions, but if any workers need them, it's probably Dunnes.

The likes of the teaching unions give them all a bad name with rubbish like '30% of teachers are living in poverty'.

harpsman

not yet wrote: »

Never ceases to amaze me the right wing, Thatcherite mentality some Irish people have..

What Thatcheritle mentality? Tell me what were Thatchers opinions on zero hour or flexibhour contracts?

Personally I think the workers have a genuine grievance. And im a thatcherite (its not an insult to people who know what theyre talking about).

jank

harpsman wrote: »

What Thatcheritle mentality? Tell me what were Thatchers opinions on zero hour or flexibhour contracts?

Personally I think the workers have a genuine grievance. And im a thatcherite (its not an insult to people who know what theyre talking about).

From my experience, the word thatcherite is used as a playground name calling tactic. Well its a lot easier to throw insults rather than engage in a debate.

the groutch

tomwaterford wrote: »

What's that to do with anything.....no one anywhere should cross a picket line

so your saying that all the staff who had no legal protection via union members should have all not shown up for work, and risk being sacked the next day?

PopePalpatine

Mandate have claimed that their members are now being punished by Dunnes' management, according to this RTE article.

Rightwing

Dunnes is for penny pinchers looking for bargains and all they get is inferior produce. Heatons, penneys etc similar. Workers in these stores need to quickly upskill and move with the times (knowledge economy).

Full Marx

Strikers now being sacked, hours cut and shifts changed. Dunnes management are horrendous. Rapid escalation and intervention from politicians needed now.

Shame on Dunnes.

Eric Cartman

Full Marx wrote: »

Strikers now being sacked, hours cut and shifts changed. Dunnes management are horrendous. Rapid escalation and intervention from politicians needed now.

Shame on Dunnes.

No, government has no place interfering in a private companies labour dispute.