The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

TOss Sweep

Jameis Winston Accused of gropping female Uber driver

OldMrBrennan83

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Christy42

TOss Sweep wrote: »

The Bills are a mess and have decided to put stock into their rookie. Is it the right decision probably not but they clearly don't want to win games anymore as we all know Taylor is their best option. But contrary to what stats sites say he was horrible at the weekend though and he has a few bad games as have the rest of that Bills offense.

But I said it before and I will say it again these QBs need to stop comparing themselves to QBs on other teams and so should fans. It is a moot point because he doesn't play for those other teams. Taylor will find a good home eventually but right now the Bills dont seem to care they have a QB that would start in over 50% of the other NFL teams but using that as an argument is irrelevant as it wont change his situation.

As for the Racist thing I highly doubt he was dropped due to being black. Never got this argument. The majority of the league are black. I also dont believe Black QBs are held to a higher standard.

The bit in bold though I am sure the Bills have told him why they dropped him. You honestly think the HC hasn't mentioned to Taylor why he is not playing Sunday? I know some of these organizations are a sh1t show at times but I do believe the HC would have told him.

I am sure a reason was given but unless the rookie was outperforming him in training it will sound like absolute bull. Honestly I am struggling to think of a possible reason unless their offense suddenly kicks into gear.

I don't know about if they are to a higher standard now but I reckon it would be tough not to be aware that it is not so long since they were held to higher standards or simply not considered. I would not be shocked to find some teams would look down on a black qb. In fact I would consider it naive to think the attitude had entirely gone away. As I said I don't know if that is the case but I can see why he might be wary of it.

The majority of the league is black but there was always a big thing over black qbs.

eagle eye

Christy42 wrote: »

I am sure a reason was given but unless the rookie was outperforming him in training it will sound like absolute bull. Honestly I am struggling to think of a possible reason unless their offense suddenly kicks into gear.

I don't know about if they are to a higher standard now but I reckon it would be tough not to be aware that it is not so long since they were held to higher standards or simply not considered. I would not be shocked to find some teams would look down on a black qb. In fact I would consider it naive to think the attitude had entirely gone away. As I said I don't know if that is the case but I can see why he might be wary of it.

The majority of the league is black but there was always a big thing over black qbs.

How many black QB's do you know that are pure pocket passers? The problem isn't the NFL, it goes all the way back to high school and through college football. You see then a coach sees an athletic black kid he automatically thinks he can run faster than a white kid so he is more likely to try develop him into a more athletic role.
A lot of coaches want pocket passers and not somebody who is a dual threat. If a good dual threat QB comes along he gets drafted but it more often than not fails due to injury to the QB and sometimes because they can't put the team around him to suit his style.

Pyjamarama

Coaches want players who will execute the plays they call. Its different in college but in the pros defences are too good to allow for as much freelancing as Tyrod does. He's clearly very very talented but he also gives up on plays too quickly and uses his amazing scrambling ability to try make something happen. Watch the All22 and you'll see him regularly miss open receivers by just not seeing them.

It was a huge reason that Vince Young didn't work in the NFL either. Now he had the worst possible coach in place in Jeff Fisher but Young just would freelance constantly. Partly as he didn't put the work in before the games and partly because thats how he played since he was a kid. Its a college coaching issue and high school one too if we're honest.

Vince Young actually had the ability to read defences and had a quick if awkward delivery, he should have been a superstar today but he was let down by a college system that doesn't prepare athletic, mainly black, qbs for the NFL.

Jesus Vince young I thought he was the future

Christy42

eagle eye wrote: »

How many black QB's do you know that are pure pocket passers? The problem isn't the NFL, it goes all the way back to high school and through college football. You see then a coach sees an athletic black kid he automatically thinks he can run faster than a white kid so he is more likely to try develop him into a more athletic role.
A lot of coaches want pocket passers and not somebody who is a dual threat. If a good dual threat QB comes along he gets drafted but it more often than not fails due to injury to the QB and sometimes because they can't put the team around him to suit his style.

They can want a pocket passer all they want they like. They need to have one that do the job in the nfl first. If the replacement is their next guy then fair enough but I have my doubts.

Benching a (normally) decent qb without a serious replacement would be stupid. We will see what the bills have done soon enough.

Billy86

They're 5-4 with the Dolphins (x2), Pats (x2), Chargers, Colts and Chiefs left - not an easy run in by any means but 10-6 is still very doable. Like I said they may have seen more than we know in training etc, but it's just so baffling. Even at 4-5 it might make a lot more sense. The timing and everything else is just so strange.

thomond2006

Reports that Kam Chancellor's season is over.

ScummyMan

thomond2006 wrote: »

Reports that Kam Chancellor's season is over.

This season is the worst I've ever seen for injuries to high profile players.

Billy86

Chancellor and Sherman inside a week or so is brutal.

SHOVELLER

Good opinion piece in free paper here on the local QB situation:


https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/unobstructed-view/article/20982791/kirk-cousins-is-good-but-not-good-enough

jack presley

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Good opinion piece in free paper here on the local QB situation:


https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/unobstructed-view/article/20982791/kirk-cousins-is-good-but-not-good-enough

I’d agree with that. As I’ve said hundreds of times on the Redskins thread, his stats are padded by what he does from his own 20 to the opposition 20 but too often they come away from the red zone with a FG (or worse!). Now all of that isn’t on him of course but he has to take some responsibility for that.

TOss Sweep

ScummyMan wrote: »

This season is the worst I've ever seen for injuries to high profile players.

Saw a pic the other day of all a depth chart of the injured players and it could easily be a Super Bowl winning team on paper. Crazy how bad this season is.

eagle eye

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Saw a pic the other day of all a depth chart of the injured players and it could easily be a Super Bowl winning team on paper. Crazy how bad this season is.

OFFENSE
QB: Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck, Deshaun Watson
HB: David Johnson, Dalvin Cook, Darren Sproles
FB: John Kuhn
WR: Odell Beckham Jr., Allen Robinson, Julian Edelman, Brandon Marshall, Pierre Garcon, Quincy Enunwa
TE: Zach Miller, Tyler Eifert, Crockett Gillmore
LT: Joe Thomas, Bryan Bulaga
LG: Jason Peters, Jack Mewhort
C: Weston Richburg, Mike Iupati
RG: Marshal Yanda, Ja'Wuan James
RT: Zach Strief, Bryan Bulaga
DEFENSE
DL: J.J. Watt, Sharrif Floyd, Haloti Ngata, Nick Fairley
EDGE: Cliff Avril, Whitney Mercilus, Markus Golden, Trent Murphy
LB: Dont'a Hightower, Jerrell Freeman, Jordan Hicks, Jamie Collins Sr., Mason Foster, Koa Misi
CB: Richard Sherman, Jason Verrett, Tayvon Young, DeShawn Shead, Delvin Breaux
FS: Eric Berry, Jimmie Ward, Malik Hooker
SS: Kam Chancellor, Tyvon Branch
SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Sebastian Janikowski
P: Kasey Redfern
LS: Patrick Scales
PR: Darren Sproles
KR: Darren Sproles, Odell Beckham Jr.

ScummyMan

eagle eye wrote: »

OFFENSE
QB: Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck, Deshaun Watson
HB: David Johnson, Dalvin Cook, Darren Sproles
FB: John Kuhn
WR: Odell Beckham Jr., Allen Robinson, Julian Edelman, Brandon Marshall, Pierre Garcon, Quincy Enunwa
TE: Zach Miller, Tyler Eifert, Crockett Gillmore
LT: Joe Thomas, Bryan Bulaga
LG: Jason Peters, Jack Mewhort
C: Weston Richburg, Mike Iupati
RG: Marshal Yanda, Ja'Wuan James
RT: Zach Strief, Bryan Bulaga
DEFENSE
DL: J.J. Watt, Sharrif Floyd, Haloti Ngata, Nick Fairley
EDGE: Cliff Avril, Whitney Mercilus, Markus Golden, Trent Murphy
LB: Dont'a Hightower, Jerrell Freeman, Jordan Hicks, Jamie Collins Sr., Mason Foster, Koa Misi
CB: Richard Sherman, Jason Verrett, Tayvon Young, DeShawn Shead, Delvin Breaux
FS: Eric Berry, Jimmie Ward, Malik Hooker
SS: Kam Chancellor, Tyvon Branch
SPECIAL TEAMS
K: Sebastian Janikowski
P: Kasey Redfern
LS: Patrick Scales
PR: Darren Sproles
KR: Darren Sproles, Odell Beckham Jr.

That's incredibly depressing. What is to blame, surely all this can't be chalked down to bad luck?

Hococop

ScummyMan wrote: »

That's incredibly depressing. What is to blame, surely all this can't be chalked down to bad luck?

I blame the Madden curse, it can't seem to get Brady so it is taking out everyone else

Realt Dearg Sec

ScummyMan wrote: »

That's incredibly depressing. What is to blame, surely all this can't be chalked down to bad luck?

Chargers and Bears fans and others who have had a couple of years of this craic will probably say that the demands of the game have outstretched the capacity of men's bodies to keep up. Step one needs to be getting rid of TNF, followed by introducing a second bye-week. It wouldn't prevent all of the injuries listed (nothing will prevent injuries in the sport of course) but something needs to be done to lessen the intensity of the demands in season.

raze_them_all_

ScummyMan wrote: »

That's incredibly depressing. What is to blame, surely all this can't be chalked down to bad luck?

They run on astro like fields which despite everything aint as good for knees, bigger humans running faster, ****ty schedule, rough sport

Blut2

Going back to real grass fields, adding a second (and possibly third) bye week and getting rid of TNF would all help massively and be pretty easy steps to take. The bye-week is probably the only one that will come to pass any time soon though.

Hococop

Think someone said Thursday night would work if the team had a bye week, play Sunday off for 10/11 days , Thursday game then another 10/11 days to recover for the following Sunday

Realt Dearg Sec

Bye weeks! Bronko Nagurski didn't get no bye weeks! And now he's DEAD! Well, maybe they're a good thing...

evil_seed

ScummyMan wrote: »

That's incredibly depressing. What is to blame, surely all this can't be chalked down to bad luck?

Carry too much weight than their body is able to support.
The fields as already mentioned.
Steroid use also significantly weakens ligaments. Just saying.

TheDoctor

Broncos fire their OC

jack presley

TheDoctor wrote: »

Broncos fire their OC

Didn’t realize it was the OC who decided to bring back Osweiller.

Realt Dearg Sec

jack presley wrote: »

Didn’t realize it was the OC who decided to bring back Osweiller.

If you can't make it work with Osweiler you can't make it work. I mean, the guy was paid 70 million in Houston, so he is spectacular. Look at how he turned them around.

Jolly Red Giant

TheDoctor wrote: »

Broncos fire their OC

Been on the cards for a couple of weeks - and word came out durng last week that if the offence didn't produce a win against the Bengals then McCoy would get canned. If the Broncos win on Sunday they would have been one game back from a playoff spot.

McCoy is clearly carrying the can for the Broncos failures this season - although the main responsibility lies with Elway and Joseph.

Saying that - I actually wanted Bill Musgrave as OC at the start if the season instead of McCoy - so I'm not particularly bothered about this.

jack presley

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Been on the cards for a couple of weeks - and word came out durng last week that if the offence didn't produce a win against the Bengals then McCoy would get canned. If the Broncos win on Sunday they would have been one game back from a playoff spot.

McCoy is clearly carrying the can for the Broncos failures this season - although the main responsibility lies with Elway and Joseph.

Saying that - I actually wanted Bill Musgrave as OC at the start if the season instead of McCoy - so I'm not particularly bothered about this.

The Brock era (Version 2) seems to over now too. Lynch starting this week.

Itssoeasy

Ken Norton has been fired by the Raiders. I mean it's been coming you'd have to say.

Jolly Red Giant

jack presley wrote: »

The Brock era (Version 2) seems to over now too. Lynch starting this week.

Again - not a surprise - Elway needs to find out if Lynch has a brain bigger than a sparrow.

McCoy insisted on running a complex offence - and 11 offence - without having the weapons to implement the offence. Musgrave will simplify the offence and that will help Lynch - but the guy has bust written all over him.