Pope Francis Compares Transgendered People To Nuclear Weapons

Minjor

"Specifically, he compares transgender people to nuclear arms, and says that gender theory does not recognize the order of God’s creation. He goes a step further, saying that God has placed man and woman at the top of creation, saying that this is the design of the creator. He also says that if we do not recognize that order destruction will follow."

http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-francis-compares-transgendered-people-to-nuclear-weapons

This guy was being praised from all corners after getting the papacy, turns out it's just a case of same old, same old and another bigot.

hotmail.com

The mask has certainly slipped on Francis.

eviltwin

That idiot really needs to keep his pie hole closed. And the media really need to stop reporting his crap and start treating him the way they would any other fruitcake.

fryup

the catholic church is stuck in the middle ages

its a pity so many people are brainwashed into it

Cookie_Monster

do some nuclear missile believe they're really conventional weapons?

Mr_Muffin

The sooner someone assassinates this guy the better.

Donkey Oaty

Misleading title. I thought the Pope meant that both transgender people and nuclear weapons were strangely sexy.

catallus

It may help to actually read something about what the man said:

Gender theory is a broad term for an academic school of thought that considers how people learn to identify themselves sexually and how they may become typed into certain roles based on societal expectations.

Asked in the book about how important it is for Christians to recover a sense of safeguarding of creation and sustainable growth, the pope first speaks of the duty of all people to respect and care for the environment.

But he then says that every historical period has "Herods" that "destroy, that plot designs of death, that disfigure the face of man and woman, destroying creation."

"Let's think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings," he continues. "Let's think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation."

"With this attitude, man commits a new sin, that against God the Creator," the pope says. "The true custody of creation does not have anything to do with the ideologies that consider man like an accident, like a problem to eliminate."

"God has placed man and woman and the summit of creation and has entrusted them with the earth," Francis says. "The design of the Creator is written in nature."

http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms

Cutting any philosophical comment down to "OMG he said transgendered people are like nuclear weapons!!!" serves only to obfuscate the issues and to belittle the intelligence of all.

vicwatson

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

The sooner someone assassinates this guy the better.

Ah herrre theres no need for that:D

blackbird 49

Some people are stupid enough to listen to crap from the Catholic Church, I think they believe and some people do as well that if ur not a Catholic ur a nobody, it's the one true religion (not). I believe if in living ur life in a good and decent way, ie, threat people the way u would like to be treated.

Links234

Been saying for ages, Pope Francis peddles the same old bull**** just with better marketing than Ratzinger (who proclaimed that transgender people would lead to the self-destuction of mankind or somesuch nonsense).

Trust me, I'm not going to destroy humanity..


...yet

RobYourBuilder

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

The sooner someone assassinates this guy the better.

You jest. But there's one group that would love and may just have a crack at him. If they succeeded, our world would be forever changed. It would be the straw that breaks the camels back. Somewhat literally.

bodice ripper

Ah, that's better. For a while they seemed to be moderating a bit. I like my jerks where I can see them

AndonHandon

The comparison with nuclear weapons is equivalent to saying that a homosexual can give you HIV through anal sex as can a 'dirty' needle you use to inject steroids; "andonhandon compares homosexuals to HIV needles".

pragmatic1

He believes what's written in the bible is factual so it's hardly surprising. Religion is bat-**** crazy and people that take a literal interpretation of a book like the bible are not to be taken seriously.

Duggy747

Links234 wrote: »

Been saying for ages, Pope Francis peddles the same old bull**** just with better marketing than Ratzinger (who proclaimed that transgender people would lead to the self-destuction of mankind or somesuch nonsense).

Trust me, I'm not going to destroy humanity..


...yet

Quiet you, hell-spawn. :pac:

I'm glad the honeymoon period and all the licking of his arse is over, it was nauseating seeing people fawn over what was little more than PR spin for a new "hip & happening" Pope.

The nuclear weapon title is sensationalist but his message of transgender people, and the attitude of accepting the notion of transgender people, being a form of man creating a new sin against God and his plan is pretty clear....though hardly a new or surprising view.

In regards to gene manipulation, I'm also guessing he's not a fan of GMO's either since those too would be against God's plan...............so I'm guessing he considers diabetics using insulin as sinners?

GLaDOS

Links234 wrote: »

Been saying for ages, Pope Francis peddles the same old bull**** just with better marketing than Ratzinger (who proclaimed that transgender people would lead to the self-destuction of mankind or somesuch nonsense).

Trust me, I'm not going to destroy humanity..


...yet

I can totally picture you destroying cities in a Godzilla-esque fashion.

bodice ripper

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

You jest. But there's one group that would love and may just have a crack at him. If they succeeded, our world would be forever changed. It would be the straw that breaks the camels back. Somewhat literally.

So tell us, who is it? Cause goddamn this would be a daft attempt to shoehorn this in again.

AndonHandon

Duggy747 wrote: »

Quiet you, hell-spawn.

I'm glad the honeymoon period and all the licking of his arse is over, it was nauseating seeing people fawn over what was little more than PR spin for a new "hip & happening" Pope.

The nuclear weapon title is sensationalist but his message of transgender people, and the attitude of accepting the notion of transgender people, being a form of man creating a new sin against God and his plan is pretty clear....though hardly a new or surprising view.

In regards to gene manipulation, I'm also guessing he's not a fan of GMO's either since those too would be against God's plan...............so I'm guessing he considers diabetics using insulin as sinners?

People of no religion have a problem with GMOs, there are valid reasons for opposing them. Personally I have no moral objections and would like to be able to genetically design my children.

wendell borton

That's a lot of high faluting theological mumbo jumbo that is taken out of context. If you judge him on his actions his is quite progressive, in the article it states he hugged a transsexual person and invitd them to the Vatican.

conorh91

Yet another one of these articles from the 'Examiner', which is not the 'Examiner we are used to, but a sensational anti-Catholic publication.

Catallus has already provided plenty of context, but I also googled 'Pope Francis, transgender', and I got this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/30/living/pope-transgender-man/

Has Pope Francis taken another step to push for tolerance in the Catholic Church?

Yes, says Diego Neria Lejarraga, a transgender man who says he had a private audience with the Pope in late January, reportedly a first for the pontiff. Neria was born as a girl in Spain and raised as a devout Catholic.

But after his sex change operation eight years ago, many people scorned him in church in his hometown of Plasencia in western Spain. Neria recalls heated discussions with a parish priest and some others in town. Afterward, he started staying away from Mass.

"I've never lost faith, ever," Neria says. "But the other thing is the rejection."

He wrote to Pope Francis last year, saying his local bishop helped get the letter noticed. Next, according to Neria, came two phone calls from Francis. And then, a discreet audience on a Saturday evening, January 24, at the papal residence, Casa Santa Marta.

"This man loves the whole world," Neria says of Pope Francis. "I think there's not -- in his head, in his way of thinking, discrimination against anyone. I'm speaking about him, not the institution."

jank

catallus wrote: »

It may help to actually read something about what the man said:



http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms

Cutting any philosophical comment down to "OMG he said transgendered people are like nuclear weapons!!!" serves only to obfuscate the issues and to belittle the intelligence of all.

Correct but welcome to the twitter generation where to critically analyse or to think through issues for more than 5 seconds or 140 characters is neigh on impossible.

Annasopra

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

You jest. But there's one group that would love and may just have a crack at him. If they succeeded, our world would be forever changed. It would be the straw that breaks the camels back. Somewhat literally.

Do you look for Muslims under your bed at night?

Links234

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I can totally picture you destroying cities in a Godzilla-esque fashion.

At least it would be a sexy apocalypse

bodice ripper

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Do you look for Muslims under your bed at night?

They're only looking for somewhere to over winter, they go back out of the house in the spring.

MarkAnthony

Why is it that humanity so beautiful in it's diversity is always shoehorned into little boxes by what are meant to be our spiritual leaders. I don't follow the Christian faith per se but it's a wonderful thing that a creator created us in it's own image, there's poetry in that.

Why the fcuk then can't it be that we actually are created in it's image? That actually only some of us the conform to a 'norm' are created in it's image. We're either all created in God's image and some man with a funny hat is talking bollocks or it all just bollocks.

EDIT: Sorry the bollocks weren't meant to be puns about anything...

Annasopra

bodice ripper wrote: »

They're only looking for somewhere to over winter, they go back out of the house in the spring.

Sure about that now? I thought there was going to be floodgates of them taking over.

bodice ripper

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Sure about that now? I thought there was going to be floodgates of them taking over.

They don't nest in floodgates, they drown. Like when they get trapped in the bath.

RobYourBuilder

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Do you look for Muslims under your bed at night?

The other poster stated that he hopes the pope gets assassinated. There is a credible threat against him and if he catches a bit of lead, the aftermath does not bare thinking.

Pope Francis is at risk of an assassination attempt by the Islamic extremists of Isil, the Vatican has been warned

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11098905/Isil-want-to-assassinate-the-Pope-says-Iraqs-ambassador-to-Vatican.html

bodice ripper

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Do you look for Muslims under your bed at night?

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

The other poster stated that he hopes the pope gets assassinated. There is a credible threat against him and if he catches a bit of lead, the aftermath does not bare thinking.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11098905/Isil-want-to-assassinate-the-Pope-says-Iraqs-ambassador-to-Vatican.html

That's not a "no"...

Desolation Of Smug

Pope Francis heads up the Vatican Bank. The day he liquidates it and gives the money to the poor is the day I start listening to his tripe. Until then, he's just another twat in a suit. It might be white, but it's a suit none the less.

Witcher

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

Pope Francis heads up the Vatican Bank. The day he liquidates it and gives the money to the poor is the day I start listening to his tripe. Until then, he's just another twat in a suit. It might be white, but it's a suit none the less.

It's more of a dress really.

Nodin

catallus wrote: »

It may help to actually read something about what the man said:



http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms

Cutting any philosophical comment down to "OMG he said transgendered people are like nuclear weapons!!!" serves only to obfuscate the issues and to belittle the intelligence of all.

So what he's actually saying is that the people who came up with Gender theory are

Herods" that "destroy, that plot designs of death, that disfigure the face of man and woman, destroying creation."

?

ROAAAR

Did anyone expect something positive about transgendered people from the Catholic Church? Of course not. Just let the church die off naturally and ignore it.

Desolation Of Smug

Strider wrote: »

It's more of a dress really.

And he has the cheek to give out to other lads who wear dresses?

eviltwin

The church don't support gay or trans people. Okay, we all know that, no great surprise there but why does he have to use such inflammatory language? Could he not make his point in a more sensitive manner? I mean honestly, comparing the trans community to nuclear weapons...is that really necessary.

conorh91

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

The day he liquidates it and gives the money to the poor is the day I start listening to his tripe

Why should he?

What has an organization's policy aims to do with its members' willingness to endure destitution? If anyone said they wouldn't listen to Ban Ki-Moon until he donned sackcloth and vacated his Manhattan mansion, they'd be dismissed as belly-aching malcontents.

Why should you be treated any different to those malcontents, Mr Smug?

Turtwig

I don't quite understand what's wrong with his analogy here. Comparing a volcano to a geyser doesn't mean they're identical or they both spout water. Yet somehow when the pope -or insert figure/poster you want to take a cheap shot at- uses them, their analogies somehow become related to their worst possible mode of comparisons.

evolving_doors

Minjor wrote: »

"Specifically, he compares transgender people to nuclear arms, and says that gender theory does not recognize the order of God’s creation. He goes a step further, saying that God has placed man and woman at the top of creation, saying that this is the design of the creator. He also says that if we do not recognize that order destruction will follow."

http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-francis-compares-transgendered-people-to-nuclear-weapons

This guy was being praised from all corners after getting the papacy, turns out it's just a case of same old, same old and another bigot.

How does he know what god is thinking?

Yurt2

I'm not sure what people expect from the Pope. Given that he's the head of a 2000 year old global death cult pyramid scheme, he's about as liberal as you're going to get. Don't expect him to be re tweeting Jezebel articles or to be waving from an LGBT float at the Notting Hill Carnival any time soon. People need to stop looking to the head of a dogmatic control obsessed organization for ethical guidance. They're not interested in your freedom, they're interested in your eternal soul and your wallet.

mikom

LGBT... ICBM........ OMG.

Another good one from Pope windowdressing the 3rd.

hinault

Minjor wrote: »

"Specifically, he compares transgender people to nuclear arms, and says that gender theory does not recognize the order of God’s creation. He goes a step further, saying that God has placed man and woman at the top of creation, saying that this is the design of the creator. He also says that if we do not recognize that order destruction will follow."

http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-francis-compares-transgendered-people-to-nuclear-weapons

This guy was being praised from all corners after getting the papacy, turns out it's just a case of same old, same old and another bigot.

If the report is accurate, it's about time the Pope asserted church teaching on gender.

Better late than never.

WoollyRedHat

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

The sooner someone assassinates this guy the better.

*sigh*
Do you know the muffin man?

The_Valeyard

eviltwin wrote: »

That idiot really needs to keep his pie hole closed. And the media really need to stop reporting his crap and start treating him the way they would any other fruitcake.

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

The sooner someone assassinates this guy the better.

Yurt! wrote: »

I'm not sure what people expect from the Pope. Given that he's the head of a 2000 year old global death cult pyramid scheme, he's about as liberal as you're going to get. Don't expect him to be re tweeting Jezebel articles or to be waving from an LGBT float at the Notting Hill Carnival any time soon. People need to stop looking to the head of a dogmatic control obsessed organization for ethical guidance. They're not interested in your freedom, they're interested in your eternal soul and your wallet.

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddd were off........


Taking bets for most anti-RCC rant!!!!!

Desolation Of Smug

conorh91 wrote: »

Why should he?

What has an organization's policy aims to do with its members' willingness to endure destitution? If anyone said they wouldn't listen to Ban Ki-Moon until he donned sackcloth and vacated his Manhattan mansion, they'd be dismissed as belly-aching malcontents.

Why should you be treated any different to those malcontents, Mr Smug?

Lol. You're not really getting the whole "religious" idea, are you? If your point is correct, they might as well just throw all the old rules and stuff out the window and just call a spade a spade - "It's business lads, we spout some stuff, but don't mind that, just focus on the bottom line.."...No, wait.....

tritium

catallus wrote: »

It may help to actually read something about what the man said:



http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-strongly-criticizes-gender-theory-comparing-nuclear-arms

Cutting any philosophical comment down to "OMG he said transgendered people are like nuclear weapons!!!" serves only to obfuscate the issues and to belittle the intelligence of all.

Reading what he actually said I'm struggling to see where he compares anything. He does mention gender theory and nuclear weapons but that's pretty much it -may as well say someone who lists shoplifting and murder as criminal acts is equating the two . Thread title may as well be "UK rag delivers sensationalist headline , outrage ensues"

RobertKK

It is easy for people to believe what they want to believe like misleading headlines, so much better than seeking the truth when the misleading story correlates with what some want to believe.

NachoBusiness

In other news: Leading Scientologist says pregnant women need to learn to hush themselves.

humanji

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

The sooner someone assassinates this guy the better.

MOD: Give that nonsense a rest, for a start.

As with all religion threads, may I remind you to cut out the "I hate 'X' belief" rants. Nobody cares. Comment on the topic and stop taking everything so seriously.

1123heavy

Gay people are one thing, transgenders are a completely different kettle of fish. It must be dealt with very carefully and this must be played very tactfully.

floggg

wendell borton wrote: »

That's a lot of high faluting theological mumbo jumbo that is taken out of context. If you judge him on his actions his is quite progressive, in the article it states he hugged a transsexual person and invitd them to the Vatican.

How pathetically bigoted, spiteful, hateful and destructive does your organisation need to be if the organisations leader and ultimate moral authority hugging another human being is seen as being "quite progressive?"

Just to put it in context, the last person to get so much coverage for hugging somebody was Eminem hugging Elton John over 10 years ago.

So it took the Catholic church 10 years to make the same progress as a then 20 aonething year old angry, homophobic, misoginistic, drug addicted shock rapper who spent most of his albums outlining his mother issues and murder-suicide fantasies.

Slow claps all round.