Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Locker10a

Jack1985 wrote: »

Would I be off the wall in saying I thought this is would be when being part of IAG became valuable. BA and Iberia surely have spare aircraft and crew's that would be cheaper than hire-in's or would I be wrong?

I would have thought the same, along with perhaps rebooking some disrupted pax onto BA services via LHR

TheCockpitGuy

lxflyer wrote: »

Frankly it is generally used as a pejorative term for my profession.

And I (and most of my colleagues) find it rather insulting - people seem to think accountants just look at the figures and nothing else.

Eh...yeh!!!!

In my experience in the airline and other industries it is generally some accountant that squeezes the middle worker to the point of zero productivity. You just have to look to EI over the past 5-10 years to see that.

maximum12

TheCockpitGuy wrote: »

Eh...yeh!!!!

In my experience in the airline and other industries it is generally some accountant that squeezes the middle worker to the point of zero productivity. You just have to look to EI over the past 5-10 years to see that.

Aer Lingus has been around for 75 years and for almost the entirety of the first 65 years was just a sink hole for money. The last 5-10 years are the only success that airline has ever known!!

EchoIndia

Jack1985 wrote: »

Would I be off the wall in saying I thought this is would be when being part of IAG became valuable. BA and Iberia surely have spare aircraft and crew's that would be cheaper than hire-in's or would I be wrong?

AFAIK the different companies operate independently and so are not likely to be in the business of doing each other favours at less than commercial rates. Also, if BA have "spare" aircraft these are to cover their own contingency needs rather than being available for hire, I imagine.

Foggy43

BA do not have spare aircraft. Something that was stopped a few years ago. An aircraft sitting on the ground is seen as a waste of money. If an aircraft goes tech then aircraft that were due out later in the day are 'rolled up' to go earlier. The hope is that the tech aircraft will be made serviceable later in the day and take up a later service. If not a cancellation of a service will be necessary.

Not easy particularly with the B747's and B777's. So many different cabin configurations.

Dardania

Foggy43 wrote: »

BA do not have spare aircraft. Something that was stopped a few years ago. An aircraft sitting on the ground is seen as a waste of money. If an aircraft goes tech then aircraft that were due out later in the day are 'rolled up' to go earlier. The hope is that the tech aircraft will be made serviceable later in the day and take up a later service. If not a cancellation of a service will be necessary.

Not easy particularly with the B747's and B777's. So many different cabin configurations.

y

They have some 747s sitting in the desert - do they keep any of them active?

Just thinking back to when that 772 threw a turbine (I think?) in Las Vegas. I checked a week or so later and there appeared to be a 744 flying the route.

Foggy43

Dardania wrote: »

y

They have some 747s sitting in the desert - do they keep any of them active?

Just thinking back to when that 772 threw a turbine (I think?) in Las Vegas. I checked a week or so later and there appeared to be a 744 flying the route.

The 747's are sent to Cardiff and the cabins are stripped out then sent to Victorville. There the engines are removed and sent back. In theory the B747's could be returned to service but the cost?
When G-YMMO had it's incident in Vegas poor old G-BNLF got a stay of execution until MMO returned to service. G-BNLF now deceased!

john boye

Dardania wrote: »

y

They have some 747s sitting in the desert - do they keep any of them active?

Just thinking back to when that 772 threw a turbine (I think?) in Las Vegas. I checked a week or so later and there appeared to be a 744 flying the route.

The 744 was probably operating LHR-LAS. No 744s based at Gatwick

Foggy43

john boye wrote: »

The 744 was probably operating LHR-LAS. No 744s based at Gatwick

True. G-BNLF allowed a B777-200 to be sent from LHR to LGW to replace G-YMMO until return to service.

Jack1985

maximum12 wrote: »

Aer Lingus has been around for 75 years and for almost the entirety of the first 65 years was just a sink hole for money. The last 5-10 years are the only success that airline has ever known!!

Sorry point of order.

Aer Lingus made money in the late 90's, up to 2001 following the Cahill plan. It was profitable for almost the entirety of the naughties. EI Lost money between 2001-02 (with nearly all airlines with Long Haul operations following 9/11), again in 2004 (due to needed fleet improvements - conversion to an all Airbus operation) and also lost money following the Global recession with most airlines again with Long Haul operations. It has been consistently profitable since 2010.

Show me a state airline which consistently made money between 1936 and 1990, you'll find very few. At the time that wasn't the purpose of flag carries. Just look to Europe for prime examples.

Jack1985

A good deal of change to the EI transatlantic schedule today. Two hire-in's from HiFly and Titan.

EI109 Dublin to New York JFK being operated by CS-TFZ of HiFly this evening an Airbus A330-200 that operated to/from Boston yesterday.

EI125 Dublin to Chicago being operated by G-POWD of Titan this evening a Boeing 767-300. Currently positioning over from London Stansted. Likely there may be a slight delay to the departure of the 125. Titan have already positioned a crew over to Chicago, minimizing the delay.

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN991/b535d26

Disrupted flights:

EI125 DUB1550-1815ORD | As scheduled
EI109 DUB1610-1845JFK | Currently estimating DUB2045-2320JFK
EI124 ORD2020-0945DUB | As scheduled
EI108 JFK2100-0840DUB | Currently estimating JFK0150-1330DUB

The 109 and 108 delayed as CS-TFZ operated the 139 and 138 to/from Boston yesterday evening with the same crew on minimum rest. HiFly seemed to have positioned a crew to JFK to minimize the disruption this evening.

EI138 BOS2100-0805DUB on 15/10 (yesterday) delayed overnight as above, estimating an arrival of 1843 in Dublin this evening. Just airborne from Boston.

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN138/b53564e

No updates as of yet on DUO or FNG.

Noxegon

Tenger wrote:

Its not like you can really do a return trip from DUB departing at 2245.

Depends where you're going. A round trip from DUB->SVO could easily depart at that time.

JCX BXC

Noxegon wrote: »

Depends where you're going. A round trip from DUB->SVO could easily depart at that time.

I think Tenger was referring to short European routes.

steve-o

Jack1985 wrote: »

It was profitable for almost the entirety of the naughties.

Cumulative net loss in the naughties was almost €100m.

Tenger

Noxegon wrote: »

Depends where you're going. A round trip from DUB->SVO could easily depart at that time.

That is true. But I did mean along the lines of out and back that evening.

steve-o wrote: »

Cumulative net loss in the naughties was almost €100m.

Not bad considering that there were 2 massive downturns in the global aviation industry in that decade,combined with ongoing price fluctuations with fuel suppies caused by warfare in the Middle East. Better than the majority of other airlines. From 1995-2010, approx 500 airlines went bust worldwide.


Anyway.....back on topic:

Jack1985 wrote: »

A good deal of change to the EI transatlantic schedule today. Two hire-in's from HiFly and Titan.
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No updates as of yet on DUO or FNG.

The spotters will be happy with the variety. IM sure we will see these around for the next few days at least.

JCX BXC

Titan G-POWD 767 in the hold for Dublin, will be operating for EI.

Jack1985

Carnacalla wrote: »

Titan G-POWD 767 in the hold for Dublin, will be operating for EI.

Listed it's details on page 123

JCX BXC

Jack1985 wrote: »

Listed it's details on page 123

Apologies, didn't spot it

xtradel

xtradel wrote: »

A million thanks for that....of course I will now hold you entirely responsible for any cancellations

Locker10a wrote: »

Dont panic too much, your will most likely be rerouted through Dublin, although i would guess by next week things will be sorted out, by that time the necessary repairs will have been completed of if not they will have hired in a charter to operate the flights they are short an aircraft for

Well EI111 got cancelled Rang the number on the text message and got talking to someone within 5 minutes who told me all was grand on that flight After I mentioned that I just received a text message he went off to speak to his supervisor who clarified that the flight was indeed cancelled.

So we are now on EI105 out of Dublin so could ye guys tell me if its an A330 and will I need some sort of special adapter for my headphones?

(yes, I know prob a stupid question )

JCX BXC

Flight is cancelled this Wednesday?

Still dont have the issues sorted out?
I know its mainly out of control but fairly poor by Aer Lingus imo.

Locker10a

xtradel wrote: »

xtradel wrote: »

A million thanks for that....of course I will now hold you entirely responsible for any cancellations

Locker10a wrote: »

Dont panic too much, your will most likely be rerouted through Dublin, although i would guess by next week things will be sorted out, by that time the necessary repairs will have been completed of if not they will have hired in a charter to operate the flights they are short an aircraft for

Well EI111 got cancelled Rang the number on the text message and got talking to someone within 5 minutes who told me all was grand on that flight After I mentioned that I just received a text message he went off to speak to his supervisor who clarified that the flight was indeed cancelled.

So we are now on EI105 out of Dublin so could ye guys tell me if its an A330 and will I need some sort of special adapter for my headphones?

(yes, I know prob a stupid question )

oh no sorry to hear that! Headphones are provided by the airline, but your own standard ones should work grand

xtradel

Locker10a wrote: »

oh no sorry to hear that! Headphones are provided by the airline, but your own standard ones should work grand

Thanks for that.

Avada

I was on EI105 last week and it was aircraft EI-EAV which requires an adaptor for using headphones and the earphones provided were terrible.

maximum12

Yeah all the a330's require an adapter. If you have a tablet, better option is to put some movies on it that you want to watch. And you won't be interrupted for every cabin announcement.

Avada

maximum12 wrote: »

Yeah all the a330's require an adapter. If you have a tablet, better option is to put some movies on it that you want to watch. And you won't be interrupted for every cabin announcement.

Not all the 330's require an adaptor. The ones with the newer IFE use a standard headphone jack

maximum12

Avada wrote: »

Not all the 330's require an adaptor. The ones with the newer IFE use a standard headphone jack

Ok haven't been on the two new ones. So to answer the question, you'll probably need the adapter.

Dardania

maximum12 wrote: »

Ok haven't been on the two new ones. So to answer the question, you'll probably need the adapter.

I was on a A333 a few months ago that had the 3.5mm jack (normal type) - it seemed like quite fresh IFE

River Song

EI-EWR/FNG/FNH use the standard one prong jack. All the other A330s require the two prong.

xtradel

River Song wrote: »

EI-EWR/FNG/FNH use the standard one prong jack. All the other A330s require the two prong.

Any idea if EI105 is gonna be a 1 or 2 prong version?

lintdrummer

xtradel wrote: »

River Song wrote: »

EI-EWR/FNG/FNH use the standard one prong jack. All the other A330s require the two prong.

Any idea if EI105 is gonna be a 1 or 2 prong version?

Currently scheduled to be DUZ so you'll need an adapter. Airframe may change between now and tomorrow but best advice is to bring an adapter and then you're covered.