Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Jack1985

Carnacalla wrote: »

SNN-JFK/BOS have effectively become the spare aircraft in the airline. Cancellations are becoming more frequent all the time. With such a large fleet which is growing all the time, is this not the time to allow slack in the scheduling to allow for these problems?

As has been pointed out why have an aircraft sitting idly when it can be making money. There's nearly no airlines left doing that. With a long haul fleet of 14 aircraft, having 1 aircraft spare is nonsensical.

Cancellations are not frequent. This is started as a result of the DUO and then FNG incidents. EWR has needed to be taken off the lines today as a result of needed maintenance.

At the end of the day I'm repeating myself, the SNN-JFK-SNN routing today had the lowest loads, had few connections, will cause the least disruption to the network if cancelled as it was. I know people from the Mid-West are probably hurting at this but that is the process taken to cancelling any flight.

This ''Dublin protection'' crap is child like.

JCX BXC

Jack1985 wrote: »

As has been pointed out why have an aircraft sitting idly when it can be making money. There's nearly no airlines left doing that. With a long haul fleet of 14 aircraft, having 1 aircraft spare is nonsensical.

Cancellations are not frequent. This is started as a result of the DUO and then FNG incidents. EWR has needed to be taken off the lines today as a result of needed maintenance.

At the end of the day I'm repeating myself, the SNN-JFK-SNN routing today had the lowest loads, had few connections, will cause the least disruption to the network if cancelled as it was. I know people from the Mid-West are probably hurting at this but that is the process taken to cancelling any flight.

This ''Dublin protection'' crap is child like.

Slack, not a spare aircraft.

Cancellations are frequent. Remember the Easter when Boston was cancelled for 10 days?

I know what process is taken in cancellations, I don't believe it encompasses all factors, but I know. Just because that's the method taking does not make it right. Aer Lingus have made the routes unreliable, and consumers should not accept this.

Now please point out where I said "Dublin Protection". Of course you have to assume that's what I'm getting at, when of course I haven't mentioned it or made reference to that. I don't believe this is happening either. How can an airport with poor connections and smaller aircraft play against a bigger hub airport? It can't nor is it expected it will.

MoeJay

But there is slack built in.

I would imagine that with 2 330s out of action, normally scheduled maintenance was pushed back on other frames to minimise further disruption. EWR probably had to go offline as it may well have already been delayed for 2 weeks and couldn't be delayed any further.

Similarly on the 757 fleet.

Shannon was not the only station to take a hit. Given that both Newark and Dulles were type subbed down to a 757 that's an awful lot of people who also had to be rerouted. But there's no media coverage of those people....

To be clear I'm not defending any decision that was or wasn't made as I wasn't in the room I'm merely trying to shed some light on the process (which I could be completely wrong about!!!!)

Jamie2k9

Are you sure its in maintenance and not going back to leasor.......sources tell me one aircraft likely leaving and returning to leasor.

Bussywussy

It's just on a scheduled down day.

Jamie2k9

Bussywussy wrote: »

It's just on a scheduled down day.

The scheduled down days are Saturday and Tuesday, but that may of changed during late end of seasons (not checked).

Anyway am hearing suggestion one will may exit the fleet soon.

Tenger

Im sure if DL, UA or AA had 10-20% of their widebodies out of action you would see similar cancellations on their network. However these would be spread across 10-15 hubs/ focus city's.
Its unfortunate that with 2 bases any EI decision is glaringly obvious.

Jack1985

Bussywussy wrote: »

It's just on a scheduled down day.

Lol no, operation is short a 330 today as a result a 752 PY'd up from SNN hence cancellation of the 111 and 110 today.

As pointed out delayed maintenance which necessitated EWR to be taken off the lines.

Also to point some passengers on the 119 and 118 which was changed to a 752 today have had to be re-booked on to other flights today or put up overnight but no focus on that either..

JCX BXC

Passengers affected by the change from an A330 to a 757 is likely much less than the Shannon cancellation, and at least they can be rebooked on a flight to the same airport (Dublin).

Jack1985

Carnacalla wrote: »

Passengers affected by the change from an A330 to a 757 is likely much less than the Shannon cancellation, and at least they can be rebooked on a flight to the same airport (Dublin).

Obviously? What's your point? SNN is a tiny airport - So there's not much options other than road surface transport and being put on to alternative services ex-DUB.

Bussywussy

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

The scheduled down days are Saturday and Tuesday, but that may of changed during late end of seasons (not checked

That's A check,scheduled down days now at end of season could be accomodated elsewhere,look at EWR it wasn't taken off lines due to delayed maintenance as someone said,just wasnt scheduled to fly

Irish Steve

OK, enough is enough. Off topic, and getting personal, I don't have time to go back and perform mass surgery right now, so the thread is being closed for 24 hours to give everyone time to step back and pause for thought. A significant number of posts will be being deleted, but that's not a quick or easy task to do. If the nonsense doesn't stop when it's reopened, infractions and bans WILL follow.

There were several posts that were relevant, but quoted posts that are now removed, so to avoid even more confusion, the surgery has been somewhat more radical than a quick scan suggested, and my apologies to the innocents caught up in the maelstrom

I don't want to see ANY posts in this thread (or on any other threads) regarding the recent disruption at Shannon from Carnacalla or Jack1985 for at least 2 days.

Jamie2k9

Looks like BHD 3rd based aircraft moving to DUB and operate W rotations ex BHD.

Locker10a

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Looks like BHD 3rd based aircraft moving to DUB and operate W rotations ex BHD.

Interesting does this mean they will be positioning a crew via taxi to BHD to operate these flights or night stop a crew

Jamie2k9

Locker10a wrote: »

Interesting does this mean they will be positioning a crew via taxi to BHD to operate these flights or night stop a crew

No idea how EI made crew decisions, think they bus between Cork/Shannon so either the same or they might do BHD-ALC-DUB-overnight-DUB-PMI-BHD and vice versa.

Locker10a

Interesting I see one of the A321s did a BHX this morning, been a long time since I've seen one doing a regional UK flight, means BHX today will be a mix of ATRs a321 and a320!
Anyone know the reason behind the extra capacity ?

AndyBoBandy

Locker10a wrote: »

Interesting I see one of the A321s did a BHX this morning, been a long time since I've seen one doing a regional UK flight, means BHX today will be a mix of ATRs a321 and a320!
Anyone know the reason behind the extra capacity ?

I did DUB-MAN last year on a 321, which was quite surprising as I had been taking that flight almost weekly for a few months, and was a nice surprise to go on a 321,
the flight was packed with holiday folk transferring to somewhere else, so perhaps bank holiday transfer traffic?? though hardly through BHX

I'll always remember that flight on the 321, on departure, most flights were departing on 28, however we departed on 34, and when the pilot opened the throttle, the force of acceleration was incredible (certainly compared to the previous 50-60 flights I had taken in an A320), and V2 felt like it took next to no time at all!

goingnowhere

Dual 28/34 ops are routine in Dublin in the morning.

34 is shorter + the aircraft is fueled for MAN so very light

Jack1985

goingnowhere wrote: »

Dual 28/34 ops are routine in Dublin in the morning.

34 is shorter + the aircraft is fueled for MAN so very light

Any idea what DUB ATC mean when they say for R28 departures ''Full length available'' ?

Locker10a wrote: »

Interesting I see one of the A321s did a BHX this morning, been a long time since I've seen one doing a regional UK flight, means BHX today will be a mix of ATRs a321 and a320!
Anyone know the reason behind the extra capacity ?

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I did DUB-MAN last year on a 321, which was quite surprising as I had been taking that flight almost weekly for a few months, and was a nice surprise to go on a 321,
the flight was packed with holiday folk transferring to somewhere else, so perhaps bank holiday transfer traffic?? though hardly through BHX

I'll always remember that flight on the 321, on departure, most flights were departing on 28, however we departed on 34, and when the pilot opened the throttle, the force of acceleration was incredible (certainly compared to the previous 50-60 flights I had taken in an A320), and V2 felt like it took next to no time at all!

The 262 was overbooked this morning, hence the 321 dealt with it nicely as CPG wasn't rostered on any sectors today until this afternoon. AndyBoBandy, speaking of Manchester the 208 this afternoon is fully booked, with CPG also taking the honors, day of relative rarities.

AndyBoBandy

oh yeah, I've often seen the dual ops at Dublin, I just remember it clearly as we were heading for what looked like 28, then he just took a sharp right and hammered the throttle.

When you've been flying so often for so many years, there is very little to get excited about anymore, but that morning sure was exciting.

Jamie2k9

A321 scheduled to BHX for a few weeks in November as well.

EICVD

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

A321 scheduled to BHX for a few weeks in November as well.

Big meeting in Cheltenham in 2 weeks should fill the '21 that weekend.

kub

Is EI DUO and the recent 330 that had bird strike damage back in the air yet?

Bussywussy

kub wrote: »

Is EI DUO and the recent 330 that had bird strike damage back in the air yet?

FNG returned to service last Wednesday week,DUO Back in service since Sunday..

Locker10a

http://www.rte.ie/archives/2016/1026/827077-final-aer-lingus-boeing-707/

I think some of you may enjoy this

Calina

Locker10a wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/archives/2016/1026/827077-final-aer-lingus-boeing-707/

I think some of you may enjoy this

Stuff like this is fascinating from a social history point of view too.

markc91

My folks are heading on the 131 to hartford today I'm just wondering is there any IFE on the 757s or only on the airbus?

goingnowhere

Full IFE

Locker10a

Calina wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/archives/2016/1026/827077-final-aer-lingus-boeing-707/

I think some of you may enjoy this

Stuff like this is fascinating from a social history point of view too.

It is, I didn't think EI employed male crew in the 80s, they certainly never used them in any publicity at the time

River Song

markc91 wrote: »

My folks are heading on the 131 to hartford today I'm just wondering is there any IFE on the 757s or only on the airbus?

There's a touch-screen IFE system in each seat, normal headphone jack so no adaptor needed, USB charging port in each screen, but no wifi!