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Leo Again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,873 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    The chances of a non drug using heterosexual male of contracting hiv are tiny. A woman has a higher chance but only if she chooses to sleep with bisexual men.

    But they can still contract HIV amongst many other risks.


  • Site Banned Posts: 28 Barry Edmonds


    But they can still contract HIV amongst many other risks.

    Sorry but I care more about my health than hurt feelings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,873 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Sorry but I care more about my health than hurt feelings.

    So gay guy in a relationship 25 years = risky?

    Straight guy sleeping around = safe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Ara ararauna


    I would hope that all blood is tested before its received by a patient!


  • Site Banned Posts: 28 Barry Edmonds


    I would hope that all blood is tested before its received by a patient!

    Are you homophobic or something??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Ara ararauna


    Are you homophobic or something??

    No?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Leo is just another empty suit. Shameless attention seeking self promoter. I dont like his tendency to dictate how I should live my life either.

    Ease up there, that man has aspirations to be the next Taoiseach and the next leader of Fine Gael.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2



    Straight guy sleeping around = safe?

    No one EVER said that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Homosexual men, bi sexual men and intravenous drug users should never be allowed to donate blood.

    But Gay men are only 34 Times more likely to be HIV positive that other sectors of society ..... see maths and stats in a prevous post. No need for concern.

    Well then wait until you hear about screening in the United States. They take the most Vunerable members of society and pay them.
    While I do think once in a while the odd nice pen or a pair of Cinema tickets wouldnt go astray, I do think there shouldn't be a financial incentive to donate. It should be something you do to be civic minded. You should also be Civic minded if you are not eligible and NOT donate. That is being responsible too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    fran17 wrote: »
    Since your arrival on boards you have contributed to 13 threads and 8 of them have a gay theme.And in 1 other you introduced a gay topic into it.WHAT IS YOUR OBSESSION WITH ALL THINGS GAY!!!

    I havent seen anything homophobic in Frans' comment on this thread. Never came across him commenting before this thread. I dont have time to keep stats on him. God it must be great to have that amount of free time to keep an eye on Fran. anyone would think there was a witch hunt for Fran was more important than how we are going to secure a clean souce of blood for the most vunerable members of society


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    floggg wrote: »
    Tell me, where you get your apples from, do they think it was voluntary? Please do explain your thinking.

    Well if it was voluntary why didnt he announce it before the Election ... Jerry Buttimer (Party colleague) has always been out there? David Norris has been to the fore front of Irish Gay politics. Or why didnt he leave it until before the next election? or come out after the last election.

    Why in the middle of the term? just strange..... that is all. I never suggest that anyone or lobby group owned him by threatening to out him
    .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    Well if it was voluntary why didnt he announce it before the Election ... Jerry Buttimer (Party colleague) has always been out there? David Norris has been to the fore front of Irish Gay politics. Or why didnt he leave it until before the next election? or come out after the last election.

    Why in the middle of the term? just strange..... that is all. I never suggest that anyone or lobby group owned him by threatening to out him
    .

    You just implied that a lobby group wished to out him .. Yep, there were apparently threats of outing him but that was the press rather than lobby groups.

    Anyway, Agenda 21. Please do elaborate on this means of population control. Feel free to include how fluoride factors into it. Why so unwilling to discuss this element when you brought it up initially?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    You just implied that a lobby group wished to out him .. Yep, there were apparently threats of outing him but that was the press rather than lobby groups.

    No I said that I never implied it ...... so where did the press get this information from? and how was it in the public interest what his sexual orientation is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    You just implied that a lobby group wished to out him .. Yep, there were apparently threats of outing him but that was the press rather than lobby groups.

    Anyway, Agenda 21. Please do elaborate on this means of population control. Feel free to include how fluoride factors into it. Why so unwilling to discuss this element when you brought it up initially?

    And who coerced him and why?

    Agenda 21, MK-Naomi and the origins of HIV/AIDS

    You seem to be making a conscious effort to avoid explaining yourself on them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Wow One I never said that that the press or lobby group threaten to out him. You said that..... but I am interested in hearding who or what interests would want to do that. Wish I knew who tipped off the press. If I knew that I would be working in a different area of industry. I thought "outing" was a serious anti social offence in the gay community?

    As you have done the research yourself .... I dont feel the need to add any comment on it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    No I said that I never implied it ...... so where did the press get this information from? and how was it in the public interest what his sexual orientation is?

    But felt the need to mention lobby groups threatening to out him which nobody else has done... Him being gay wasn't a secret he simply never went public with it and the press were aware for plenty of time. Tabloid media doesn't necessarily report what's in the public's interest, they behave like pricks much of time.

    But the simple fact is, groups (not the lgbt lobby) would have somehow gotten the information and used it as an ammunition against him in the future so coming out was probably needed in that sense. But I hope he was not forced into doing so by the press as ultimately I don't think the public should be required to know a politician's sexuality.

    Now, what about this Agenda 21 and fluoride ? You're still ignoring the question...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    Well if it was voluntary why didnt he announce it before the Election ... Jerry Buttimer (Party colleague) has always been out there? David Norris has been to the fore front of Irish Gay politics. Or why didnt he leave it until before the next election? or come out after the last election.

    Why in the middle of the term? just strange..... that is all. I never suggest that anyone or lobby group owned him by threatening to out him
    .

    I think the dogs on the street now know he was pressured to come out.Leo comes across as a very private and respectful man and it was terrible to see him practically shamed into coming out on the national radio.I never heard a guy more insulted when asked if he was ever in Panti bar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    fran17 wrote: »
    I think the dogs on the street now know he was pressured to come out.Leo comes across as a very private and respectful man and it was terrible to see him practically shamed into coming out on the national radio.I never heard a guy more insulted when asked if he was ever in Panti bar.

    I dont know what interview you listened to.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Interesting that NI had no medical evidence to continue its ban

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-31131316

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    But Gay men are only 34 Times more likely to be HIV positive that other sectors of society ..... see maths and stats in a prevous post. No need for concern.

    Well then wait until you hear about screening in the United States. They take the most Vunerable members of society and pay them.
    While I do think once in a while the odd nice pen or a pair of Cinema tickets wouldnt go astray, I do think there shouldn't be a financial incentive to donate. It should be something you do to be civic minded. You should also be Civic minded if you are not eligible and NOT donate. That is being responsible too.

    Gay men? Or MSM?

    Am I who only practices safe sex 25 times more likely to contract HIV by having safe sex with my partner and we are both HIV neg???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    efb wrote: »
    Gay men? Or MSM?

    Good point - I dont know why a poster who claims to be extremely informed and knowledgeable would keep using the wrong terminology

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    Good point - I dont know why a poster who claims to be extremely informed and knowledgeable would keep using the wrong terminology

    I'm becoming more cynical ever since he brought some odd things about population control into discussion and never bothered explaining it any further.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Interesting that NI had no medical evidence to continue its ban

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-31131316

    Is that the same Northern Ireland that receives £26B in government investment and returns £16B in exchequer returns? Interesting considering the DUP's political message.

    Also the Northern Blood Transfusion service isnt coming off two serious blood scandals and the Health minister spent £40k in Legal fees defending his position. Also if you read the article James Reilly had no intention of the blood ban being lifted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Is that the same Northern Ireland that receives £26B in government investment and returns £16B in exchequer returns? Interesting considering the DUP's political message.

    Also the Northern Blood Transfusion service isnt coming off two serious blood scandals and the Health minister spent £40k in Legal fees defending his position. Also if you read the article James Reilly had no intention of the blood ban being lifted.

    James Reilly, the guy that couldn't manage his own department...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    efb wrote: »
    James Reilly, the guy that couldn't manage his own department...

    Name a minister from the foundation of the state that has managed the Dept of health well. Using Nurses/Doctors Strikes as a baramoter?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Name a minister from the foundation of the state that has managed the Dept of health well. Using Nurses/Doctors Strikes as a baramoter?

    How many had the running of their dept taken over???


    Whats that Roisin? Fluoride for all!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    "Mr Poots said in 2012 that he had seen two pieces of evidence that had helped him make his decision to maintain the ban.

    The BBC understands that these pieces of evidence were a letter and a European Council report."

    Refering back to James Reillys letter this was on the advice of the IBTS. If the IBTS dont have faith in it and the haemophiliacs dont have faith in it ... then it is on dangerous grounds. There is also the historic facts here. Not that it just happened but worse that it was covered up several times.

    So the EU as an organisation did not approve it. So that explains why France and Germany didnt pursue this Technology.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    Name a minister from the foundation of the state that has managed the Dept of health well. Using Nurses/Doctors Strikes as a baramoter?

    It clearly said it was worth reviewing the position and questions if the ban is still necessary. Now Can you explain about fluoride and Agenda 21? You claim to be scientific in your leanings but haven't explained what Agenda 21 entails and the horrors of fluoride. Your seeming incredible rather than credible at this point....
    "Mr Poots said in 2012 that he had seen two pieces of evidence that had helped him make his decision to maintain the ban.

    The BBC understands that these pieces of evidence were a letter and a European Council report."

    Refering back to James Reillys letter this was on the advice of the IBTS. If the IBTS dont have faith in it and the haemophiliacs dont have faith in it ... then it is on dangerous grounds. There is also the historic facts here. Not that it just happened but worse that it was covered up several times.

    So the EU as an organisation did not approve it. So that explains why France and Germany didnt pursue this Technology.


    You ignore the 2014 part oddly. Very selective so you are.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/reilly-urges-removal-of-ban-on-gays-giving-blood-275210.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    efb wrote: »
    How many had the running of their dept taken over???

    Happens the whole time... its called a government reshuffle. I am mostly political ambivalent in my views .... one government is a bad/corrupt/incompetent as another, change them and the other crowd could be twice as bad.

    Usually happens midway through the life of a Government. Dr. Reilly is only relatively new to the Dail. compared to other TD's and he is suddenly a minister in his second term as a TD, being plucked from obsecurity. The Best of TDs will tell you being in the dail and meeting groups and running clinics and being on Sub comittes takes it tole. The there is Family life to consider. Most of them end up nervous wrecks after it except the harder nosed ones. I would rather anyday of the week to have to climb the corporate ladder in these higher professions (Lawyer, medicine, accountancy, Teaching*, Publican*, Farmer*, Engineer*) than have to face the public life of a TD for 4-8 years. Some People come out of it can return to their profession John Bruton, Dick Spring, Michael Mc Dowell, Alan Shatter with no problems. Others arent so lucky eg Brian Cowen, Mary Harney, etc.

    Health, Justice and Education are the hardest portfolios. Why cos you cant please everyone. Mary Harney was excellent in Industry but found health impossible.
    *not strictly higher profession but members of the dail have been trained in these professions


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...our-bones.aspx
    See University of Toronto ...... There are no flouride factories in Ireland. Flouride is a by product of the nitrates industry. So what nitrites industries do we have? We have no mass arments factories of those types but we do have fertlizer companies ...... Goulding? IFI? thos come to mind. Been a few years since I was on the farm spreading chemical fertilizer. Cut Sward, Pasture sward, 10-10-20.... just to name a few. Farmers dont buy bags they buy 500kg Sacks that can only be lifted with a front loader or fork lift.

    I find the link to our high levels osteoporosis and osteoarthritis more credible than lack of dairy product and bacteria growing on Grass and surviving a cows digestive system and attacking the synovial fluid allowing the cartilage to degrade from friction more believeable. The Person who told me about the link to the bacteria was a Japanese Doctor who worked on Harley Street.


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