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skooterblue2 · 02-02-2015 03:44PM

The CEO of the IHS never said it was acceptable..... not even close. he said "IF". Like when you say "maybe". Just see how it plays out, hey if I am wrong I will apologise ... its not like I gave anyone AIDS

efb · 02-02-2015 03:50PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The CEO of the IHS never said it was acceptable..... not even close. he said "IF". Like when you say "maybe". Just see how it plays out, hey if I am wrong I will apologise ... its not like I gave anyone AIDS

No one has ever given anyone AIDS

Zab · 02-02-2015 03:51PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The CEO of the IHS never said it was acceptable..... not even close. he said "IF". Like when you say "maybe". Just see how it plays out, hey if I am wrong I will apologise ... its not like I gave anyone AIDS

If the deferral can be changed, based on scientific evidence, without increasing the risk to the safety of the blood supply, then it’s acceptable

Not even close, eh? Even though he's in agreement with everybody arguing against you in this thread, hmm? More like he's saying they're 'livid', is it? Not like you gave anybody AIDS, whaaaa?

skooterblue2 · 02-02-2015 03:57PM

floggg wrote: »

Please do comment.

Or did you use up all your outrage about increased risks already railing against donations by MSM?

actually I dont have an understanding of Neurology to comment on it in that detail but I look forward to hearing how homosexual bulls out of their heads on Ergot have nothing to do with vCJD ...... and are fine to use as Bonemeal

skooterblue2 · 02-02-2015 04:00PM

efb wrote: »

No one has ever given anyone AIDS

So where does HIV/Aids come from?

I am just picturing Dave McSavage doing a skit on this ........ you could be his muse.

Zab · 02-02-2015 04:15PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

So where does HIV/Aids come from?

I am just picturing Dave McSavage doing a skit on this ........ you could be his muse.

He is pointing out that you have failed to differentiate between HIV and AIDS. I might argue that that's unduly harsh, as your meaning was clear and there was so much else wrong with the sentiment that its factuality didn't even need to be questioned, but it did remind me of your fifth post in this thread

skooterblue2 wrote: »

efb wrote: »

So you do question medial practices too?

I have never questioned a medial practice ....... because I dont know what one is. However I have been subject of Medical malpractice before and I think all medical practices are open to review for the furthing science but imperical thinking and history should not be forgotten as well.

where you actually mock efb for missing the 'c' in medical in the very same paragraph as you use the phrase "imperical thinking".

efb · 02-02-2015 05:14PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

So where does HIV/Aids come from?

I am just picturing Dave McSavage doing a skit on this ........ you could be his muse.

HIV IS NOT AIDS,

efb · 02-02-2015 05:15PM

Zab wrote: »

He is pointing out that you have failed to differentiate between HIV and AIDS. I might argue that that's unduly harsh, as your meaning was clear and there was so much else wrong with the sentiment that its factuality didn't even need to be questioned, but it did remind me of your fifth post in this thread

where you actually mock efb for missing the 'c' in medical in the very same paragraph as you use the phrase "imperical thinking".

HE WHO LIVES BY THE SWORD

floggg · 02-02-2015 05:37PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

actually I dont have an understanding of Neurology to comment on it in that detail but I look forward to hearing how homosexual bulls out of their heads on Ergot have nothing to do with vCJD ...... and are fine to use as Bonemeal

I would again have thought given your comments below that you would be opposed to any relaxing of rules from groups considered high risk - particularly considering they are at risk from a disease which cannot be screened for when testing blood.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That is exactly what I said... there is no room for error where blood is concerned. That is also making an unfair comparison there is no need to introduce that risk factor into the process there are plenty of healthy people that can give blood. One of the ideas I had like the kidney doner card ..... To get on the list your whole family have to register on the doner program. Should you enter hospital 5 elligible associates should have to give blood or you have 5 units built up already.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I Learned not to jump with both feet first, lets let someone else test the water for 5 years first. I have read the Irish times report and it is very ambigious on the Irish Haemophillia societys part and doesnt commit to one side or other. I never said there was no benefit. I would not like to take a professional risk or a personal risk on it. I would not tell a patient it was a definate thing either. I think it is adding a high risk group to the mix that doesnt necessarily need to be there. I think there should be more money spent in trying to atttract more low risk patients and more celebrity endoresments of the service. I believe there are more than sufficent blood stocks out there just give responsible citizens the incentive to donate.

I would Not support or encourage patients to donate if there were a risk of infection like that. The whole system could collapse very easily. I still know people who feel betrayed after the Hepatitis scandal. The Liberals cry "We can learn", we clearly they didnt and they hushed it up again. No one lost their job, pension or was publicly repremanded.

At the very least I would have again thought you would look for support from relevant patient groups before the move could be considered acceptable to you - but that appears to be a stipulation you apply to one group only, isn't it.

efb · 02-02-2015 05:50PM

I'm using the mobile site so I missed that skooter is not going to be on thread for a while.

Right so are we agreed that if the report comes back supporting a 1 year waiting period that would be fair?

fran17 · 02-02-2015 07:47PM

Zab wrote: »

He is pointing out that you have failed to differentiate between HIV and AIDS. I might argue that that's unduly harsh, as your meaning was clear and there was so much else wrong with the sentiment that its factuality didn't even need to be questioned, but it did remind me of your fifth post in this thread

where you actually mock efb for missing the 'c' in medical in the very same paragraph as you use the phrase "imperical thinking".

I also agree that its unduly harsh.The poster obviously had a vast knowledge on the subject and much of his contributions were from personal experience and spoken from the heart.

efb · 02-02-2015 08:17PM

fran17 wrote: »

I also agree that its unduly harsh.The poster obviously had a vast knowledge on the subject and much of his contributions were from personal experience and spoken from the heart.

Don't let the heart rule the head

B_Wayne · 02-02-2015 08:23PM

fran17 wrote: »

I also agree that its unduly harsh.The poster obviously had a vast knowledge on the subject and much of his contributions were from personal experience and spoken from the heart.

Given his claimed science expertise and condescension towards other posters, it seems perfectly fair..

fran17 · 02-02-2015 08:26PM

efb wrote: »

Don't let the heart rule the head

B_Wayne wrote: »

Given his claimed science expertise and condescension towards other posters, it seems perfectly fair..

Your wrong guys.We all throw sh1t at each other all the time but for him it was personal.

floggg · 02-02-2015 08:42PM

fran17 wrote: »

Your wrong guys.We all throw sh1t at each other all the time but for him it was personal.

I thought petty comments were uncalled for?

Or is that just when we do it?

Anyway, for a guy ridiculing others for not having medical qualifications he sure get an awful lot wrong.

fran17 · 02-02-2015 09:01PM

floggg wrote: »

I thought petty comments were uncalled for?

Or is that just when we do it?

Anyway, for a guy ridiculing others for not having medical qualifications he sure get an awful lot wrong.

He never resorted to personal abuse though.

B_Wayne · 02-02-2015 09:27PM

fran17 wrote: »

He never resorted to personal abuse though.

He did, he did actually. Started to mock one user's qualifications...

efb · 02-02-2015 09:30PM

fran17 wrote: »

He never resorted to personal abuse though.

He referred to me as female twice, I made it clear from the start I was male. He jumped all over spelling errors and the big boy table remarks were juvenile

fran17 · 02-02-2015 10:24PM

B_Wayne wrote: »

He did, he did actually. Started to mock one user's qualifications...

efb wrote: »

He referred to me as female twice, I made it clear from the start I was male. He jumped all over spelling errors and the big boy table remarks were juvenile

Come on guys,this aint primary school.

B_Wayne · 02-02-2015 10:55PM

fran17 wrote: »

Come on guys,this aint primary school.

You said he never resorted to personal abuse, there's numerous instances of it so we provided some examples of insulting users while claiming to be an authority.

fran17 · 03-02-2015 09:08PM

efb wrote: »

No one has ever given anyone AIDS

Your right there.Of course AIDS is the advanced stage of the HIV virus in the body so AIDS cannot be transmitted in this advanced stage,it must be a progression over time.However its untrue to say that the virus,HIV/AIDS,has not been given from one to another intentionally,

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing

Back in 2003 the San Francisco health services director,Dr Bob Cabaj,is quoted as saying that 25% of all new cases are from this source of infection.This practice cannot be seen as a urban myth etc. as extensive research has been on going now for over 15 years.

efb · 03-02-2015 11:39PM

fran17 wrote: »

Your right there.Of course AIDS is the advanced stage of the HIV virus in the body so AIDS cannot be transmitted in this advanced stage,it must be a progression over time.However its untrue to say that the virus,HIV/AIDS,has not been given from one to another intentionally,

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing

Back in 2003 the San Francisco health services director,Dr Bob Cabaj,is quoted as saying that 25% of all new cases are from this source of infection.This practice cannot be seen as a urban myth etc. as extensive research has been on going now for over 15 years.

HIV is not AIDS :rolleyes:

floggg · 04-02-2015 10:43AM

fran17 wrote: »

Your right there.Of course AIDS is the advanced stage of the HIV virus in the body so AIDS cannot be transmitted in this advanced stage,it must be a progression over time.However its untrue to say that the virus,HIV/AIDS,has not been given from one to another intentionally,

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing

Back in 2003 the San Francisco health services director,Dr Bob Cabaj,is quoted as saying that 25% of all new cases are from this source of infection.This practice cannot be seen as a urban myth etc. as extensive research has been on going now for over 15 years.

Good work Fran. Keep up the crusade :rolleyes:

I hope you clear your browsing history though. If anybody ever saw the amount of times you'd searched for lgbt related issues, they might get the wrong idea.

fran17 · 04-02-2015 11:59AM

efb wrote: »

HIV is not AIDS :rolleyes:

It's the same virus,just a progression.Ipso facto.

skooterblue2 · 04-02-2015 08:18PM

Irish Haemophilia Society :
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/morning-ireland/programmes/2015/0130/676632-morning-ireland-friday-30-january-2015/?clipid=1790383

There you go ..... are they all homophobic too?
"High risk" not my words. Medical professional, "Double the risk of HIV", "Increased Donation of HIV blood in Australia"

Why gay men?
"the IBTSB clearly state that a 12 month deferal will not protect you from any NEW infectous agent".

"New infectous agent come along all the time, Hepatitis E , vCJD, H5N1, SARS, West Nile, Ebola and XMRV "
"It is not just HIV, it is new infectous agents"

fran17 · 04-02-2015 11:27PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Irish Haemophilia Society :
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/morning-ireland/programmes/2015/0130/676632-morning-ireland-friday-30-january-2015/?clipid=1790383

There you go ..... are they all homophobic too?
"High risk" not my words. Medical professional, "Double the risk of HIV", "Increased Donation of HIV blood in Australia"

Why gay men?
"the IBTSB clearly state that a 12 month deferal will not protect you from any NEW infectous agent".

"New infectous agent come along all the time, Hepatitis E , vCJD, H5N1, SARS, West Nile, Ebola and XMRV "
"It is not just HIV, it is new infectous agents"

Another example of shamelessly biased reporting from RTE,basically saying there is risk already there so hell lets just open the floodgates in the name of delusional equality.The amount of times he interrupted the man was embarrassing from our national broadcaster.
The only view I have been able to ascertain from the other side of this debate is yes,you are a homophobe if you disagree with homosexuality in any way,shape or form.
The facts always have and always will speak for themselves on this matter,lets just hope our minister for health acknowledges them.

efb · 04-02-2015 11:49PM

fran17 wrote: »

Another example of shamelessly biased reporting from RTE,basically saying there is risk already there so hell lets just open the floodgates in the name of delusional equality.The amount of times he interrupted the man was embarrassing from our national broadcaster.
The only view I have been able to ascertain from the other side of this debate is yes,you are a homophobe if you disagree with homosexuality in any way,shape or form.
The facts always have and always will speak for themselves on this matter,lets just hope our minister for health acknowledges them.

what about people that drink water infected with fluoride???

THE UNKOWN!!! GOD KNOW WHAT THEM GAYS ARE CARRYING!!!

efb · 04-02-2015 11:50PM

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Irish Haemophilia Society :
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/morning-ireland/programmes/2015/0130/676632-morning-ireland-friday-30-january-2015/?clipid=1790383

There you go ..... are they all homophobic too?
"High risk" not my words. Medical professional, "Double the risk of HIV", "Increased Donation of HIV blood in Australia"

Why gay men?
"the IBTSB clearly state that a 12 month deferal will not protect you from any NEW infectous agent".

"New infectous agent come along all the time, Hepatitis E , vCJD, H5N1, SARS, West Nile, Ebola and XMRV "
"It is not just HIV, it is new infectous agents"

Whats to say anyone isn't carrying them? You can't test for unknown viruses, can you?

skooterblue2 · 05-02-2015 03:11AM

fran17 wrote: »

Another example of shamelessly biased reporting from RTE,basically saying there is risk already there so hell lets just open the floodgates in the name of delusional equality.The amount of times he interrupted the man was embarrassing from our national broadcaster.
The only view I have been able to ascertain from the other side of this debate is yes,you are a homophobe if you disagree with homosexuality in any way,shape or form.
The facts always have and always will speak for themselves on this matter,lets just hope our minister for health acknowledges them.

To be Honest Fran I found the Irish Times to be worse. As they "patched" the IBTS directors quotes together and came out with a different conclusion. The Haemophiliac Society are meeting with the minister tomorrow and the kidney Association are having their AGM the end of the week. I actually didnt realise that there are 16 of the original Haemophiliacs still alive. I wonder if they have opinions on the matter?
I have no problems with Gay men or women but I think the 80's and 90's are still fresh in other peoples minds. Plus luckily the Ebola scare was contained. I never asked questions about itor critised anyone. I just prayed for the poor souls involved in it

skooterblue2 · 05-02-2015 03:25AM

fran17 wrote: »

Your right there.Of course AIDS is the advanced stage of the HIV virus in the body so AIDS cannot be transmitted in this advanced stage,it must be a progression over time.However its untrue to say that the virus,HIV/AIDS,has not been given from one to another intentionally,

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing

Back in 2003 the San Francisco health services director,Dr Bob Cabaj,is quoted as saying that 25% of all new cases are from this source of infection.This practice cannot be seen as a urban myth etc. as extensive research has been on going now for over 15 years.

Well Dr James Reilly said 50% of all new infections are coming from 3% of the population. This is suggesting that the problem is getting worse. The sample you are suggesting is from San Francisco. This is over 10 years later which is suggesting that the problem is getting exponentially worse. I thought in the last few years thing were starting to get better but with unrestricted policing in the last 10 years of South West Asia, the opium trade has boomed and the NATO armies are doing nothing to tackle growers. Hence all the cheap heroin in our streets.

Leo Again

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