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Australian Open 2015

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    #212
    Mousewar
    Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭Mousewar


    mzungu wrote: »
    That's whats great about the modern game IMO. Nothing quite like two players at the top of their game competing in long points. The game is all the better for it.

    I can't stand it. Tennis matches used to be decided on something other than who can last the longest. Things like skill and technique were the main deciding factors rather than mere sideshows. Might as well be watching cycling now tbh.


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    #213
    shamrock55
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    These long rallies are a skill in itself, they are not just hitting the ball to eachother


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    #214
    Mousewar
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    shamrock55 wrote: »
    These long rallies are a skill in itself, they are not just hitting the ball to eachother
    And they were always a part of tennis. But now they're the entirety of the sport.


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    #215
    mzungu
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    Mousewar wrote: »
    I can't stand it. Tennis matches used to be decided on something other than who can last the longest. Things like skill and technique were the main deciding factors rather than mere sideshows. Might as well be watching cycling now tbh.

    Skill and technique are still massive factors in the modern game. Without that no point would last longer than five shots. I guess we have come a long way from 20 years ago during the era of the big servers, where it was suggested that to make points longer everybody should only get one serve. The game may change again in another couple of years, maybe points will get shorter again. For the time being I am enjoying this golden age of the game.


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    #216
    am i bovvered
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    Mousewar wrote: »
    I can't stand it. Tennis matches used to be decided on something other than who can last the longest. Things like skill and technique were the main deciding factors rather than mere sideshows. Might as well be watching cycling now tbh.

    ??? Skill and technique are the main deciding factors as well as top level fitness both mental and physical.
    I've watched tennis for 30 years and the men's game these days is amazing.


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    #217
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,926 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Best of 5 matches really bring this discussion up. It's like they set out to play the full 5 sets whereas when it's best of 3 they really have to be on the ball 100% from the start and, in my opinion, you often get better matches at the non slam events.


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    #218
    Pighead
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    Mousewar wrote: »
    I can't stand it. Tennis matches used to be decided on something other than who can last the longest. Things like skill and technique were the main deciding factors rather than mere sideshows. Might as well be watching cycling now tbh.
    I get a bit surprised everytime I see you commenting during a tennis grand slam thread as each and every post seems to be outlining your hatred/disinterest in the sport. Why do you keep watching?


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    #219
    LuckyGent88
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    And Djokovic pulls it out of the bag again.


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    #220
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    That was quite poor from Murray, he is just too inconsistent.


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    #221
    [Deleted User]
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    Would like to see Murray get an Aussie slam but after that set can't see him taking it. Maybe he will surprise me... Should have kept control of that set.


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    #222
    Mousewar
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    am i bovvered wrote: »
    ??? Skill and technique are the main deciding factors.
    That's just not true. To take the most obvious example Federer has infinitely more talent, skill and technique than Nadal yet loses to him far more often than not. Federer's superior skill and technique are rendered virtually meaningless by Nadal's superior endurance (in the match as a whole and in individual points). When that's the case you know skill and technique are just bit players in the sport - much like cycling.


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    #223
    Mousewar
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    Pighead wrote: »
    I get a bit surprised everytime I see you commenting during a tennis grand slam thread as each and every post seems to be outlining your hatred/disinterest in the sport. Why do you keep watching?
    Soneone 's got to stand up for this once great sport. :)


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    #224
    mrkiscool2
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    Well that should be that. Murray looks beaten


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    #225
    mzungu
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    Mousewar wrote: »
    That's just not true. To take the most obvious example Federer has infinitely more talent, skill and technique than Nadal yet loses to him far more often than not. Federer's superior skill and technique are rendered virtually meaningless by Nadal's superior endurance (in the match as a whole and in individual points). When that's the case you know skill and technique are just bit players in the sport - much like cycling.

    Nadal is Federer's bogeyman. Its a psychological, rather than a physical issue.


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    #226
    squadro
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    Mousewar wrote: »
    I can't stand it. Tennis matches used to be decided on something other than who can last the longest. Things like skill and technique were the main deciding factors rather than mere sideshows. Might as well be watching cycling now tbh.
    Lacking a bit of power in your game are you???


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    #227
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Hard to see Murray finding a way back now.


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    #228
    Stheno
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    Murray looks done now


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    #229
    Mousewar
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    mzungu wrote: »
    Hard to see Murray finding a way back now.

    To think the commentators were describing Djokovic as out on his feet just one set ago. As if they'd never seen him playact before.


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    #230
    RosyLily
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    It was looking good for Murray for a while....can't see him winning from here.

    His run at the Aussie so far is like Lendl's at Wimbledon - reaching finals but can't win it.


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    #231
    whiterebel
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,835 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    There's a sullen, whiny element to Djoko's game with the "injuries" that isn't at all flattering. I see Murray's back to his old form of limping again too.


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    #232
    yerwanthere123
    Registered Users, Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    This is so disappointing from Andy, he only has himself to blame for falling apart like that.


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    #233
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    whiterebel wrote: »
    There's a sullen, whiny element to Djoko's game with the "injuries" that isn't at all flattering. I see Murray's back to his old form of limping again too.

    They both do it, regularly. Why commentators even react to their antics and then act surprised when they come out all guns blazing a few sets later is beyond me.


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    #234
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    Shame to see the match end on a whimper rather than a bang.


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    #235
    mzungu
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    They both do it, regularly. Why commentators even react to their antics and then act surprised when they come out all guns blazing a few sets later is beyond me.

    I suppose its more to do with having something to talk about, even when they know full well its all part of the act.


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    #236
    RosyLily
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    mzungu wrote: »
    Shame to see the match end on a whimper rather than a bang.

    Definitely! Real anticlimax about it if Djokovic wins the set to love.


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    #237
    Mousewar
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    I don't think I'll ever understand grown adults fighting over someone's sweaty T-shirt. If he threw that at me I'd throw it back in his face.


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    #238
    LuckyGent88
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    World number 1 showed why he is the number one there.
    Murray missed plenty of opportunities though.


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    #239
    lazza14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭lazza14


    MD1990 wrote: »
    If it was an Irish tennis player RTE would be much worse. Of course BBC will be biased towards Murray & I do think he will win it too.

    Yeeeaajhhhhh!!!


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    #240
    lazza14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭lazza14


    class act , and to end it with a bagel .. legend ..


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    #241
    RosyLily
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    Murray will be disappointed but he did play well in places, just couldn't keep it up. Considering his last Grand Slam final was Wimbledon 2013, it's been a good tournament for Andy.


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