E2.50 pints should be outlawed, says FG TD

vicwatson

Double barrell names should be outlawed

RobYourBuilder

mattser wrote: »

How much is the pint in the Dail bar ??

Here's the price list; http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2013/09/dail-price-list-587x744.jpg

The Backwards Man

I think she's wrong, but I also think the sale or consumption of off licence alcohol should be banned, licencing hours should be dramatically reduced and rigidly enforced, and then pubs can charge whatever they want.

Attitudes towards alcohol are increasingly alarming in this country, and I predict a rocky road ahead if something severe isn't done.

DeJa VooDoo

Help!!!! wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/250-pub-pints-should-be-outlawed-says-fg-td-30880442.html


Cheaper drinks in pubs would actually help reduce binge drinking. Most binge drinkers go down the supermarket buy what ever is strongest & cheapest & are usually unsupervised.
Would also encourage people to socialise a bit more too

Apart from crashing her car over the steps of Dail Eireann on her first day in 2011 has anyone ever heard of this woman since?

mikemac1

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I think she's wrong, but I also think the sale or consumption of off licence alcohol should be banned, licencing hours should be dramatically reduced and rigidly enforced, and then pubs can charge whatever they want.

Attitudes towards alcohol are increasingly alarming in this country, and I predict a rocky road ahead if something severe isn't done.

Hah, a return to the holy hour on Sunday when the pubs used to close the front door and draw the blinds and we supped our pints in peace. Good times! :pac:

Of course we didn't have Sky blitzing us with Super Sunday back then

I feel old

Littlehorny

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I think she's wrong, but I also think the sale or consumption of off licence alcohol should be banned, licencing hours should be dramatically reduced and rigidly enforced, and then pubs can charge whatever they want.

Attitudes towards alcohol are increasingly alarming in this country, and I predict a rocky road ahead if something severe isn't done.

So you are saying, punish the many for the actions of the few?

DeJa VooDoo

Littlehorny wrote: »

So you are saying, punish the many for the actions of the few?

That's normally the way here.
A few bankers and corrupt politicians screw the country and the rest of us pay.

keithclancy

Worst thing it would do is encourage the alcos not to drink old spice

efb

DeJa VooDoo wrote: »

Apart from crashing her car over the steps of Dail Eireann on her first day in 2011 has anyone ever heard of this woman since?

Ming andMick called her Miss piggy

shruikan2553

I keep hearing everyone is selling alcohol at below cost but nobody ever has actual numbers to back them up. It's all I selling something for 10 euro, Amazon has it for 6, they must be selling it below cost.

Dr Turk Turkelton

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I think she's wrong, but I also think the sale or consumption of off licence alcohol should be banned, licencing hours should be dramatically reduced and rigidly enforced, and then pubs can charge whatever they want.

Attitudes towards alcohol are increasingly alarming in this country, and I predict a rocky road ahead if something severe isn't done.

I think the complete opposite in relation to opening hours.
Often on a Friday night (or any night) after a hard week at work and getting the kids to bed and during down with the missus for a while I'd feel like a pint but it could be 11o clock.
By the time I'd get ready and into a bar it's close to closing time so I don't bother paying for a taxi to fire 2/3 drinks down my throat while being told to leave and pay for a taxi home.
When we lived in New York I could pop up anytime to the bar and have a couple of drinks in comfort.
Also shift workers get a raw deal in relation to opening hours.
So all in all I'd like to see a relaxation in regards to opening hours and see a stricter policy in regards to very drunk people in bars.

efb

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I keep hearing everyone is selling alcohol at below cost but nobody ever has actual numbers to back them up. It's all I selling something for 10 euro, Amazon has it for 6, they must be selling it below cost.

Tesco selling it below the price they paid plus duty is below cost- they have def done this

RobYourBuilder

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Attitudes towards alcohol are increasingly alarming in this country, and I predict a rocky road ahead if something severe isn't done.

But alcohol consumption is dropping and falling more in tow with the rest of Europe.

2012;

The alcohol consumption in Ireland has fallen by 20% over 12 years, with the idea that all Irish people now drink to excess now believed to be far from the truth.

New figures, from the Revenue Commissioners, show a 4.4% drop in the volume of alcohol consumed in Ireland in the past year, with the consumption of both cider and spirits falling over 13%. Levels of teenagers drinking alcohol has also dropped.

Kathryn D’Arcy, director of The Alcohol Beverage Federation of Ireland, emphasised that Irish levels of alcohol consumption are no longer the aberration, in wider European terms, which they once were.

D’Arcy said: "There is a fall in alcohol consumption and we are fast approaching European norms.

"We have seen recent studies by the Department of Children and Youth Affairs and other studies showing that our teens are consuming less alcohol than they were a number of years ago, while other countries are seeing that they are having an increase in the problem of underage drinking.

"So I think we are doing some things right and I think we need to focus."

http://www.newstalk.com/Irish-Alcohol-consumption-drops-by-20-in-12-years

2013;

IRISH PEOPLE CONSUMED over 7% less alcohol last year than in 2012.

The latest figures from the CSO show that overall consumption has dropped by almost a quarter from its peak in 2001.

Consumption of all major types of drink are down, with almost 12% less spirits consumed in 2013 than in 2012.

http://www.thejournal.ie/alcohol-consumption-is-falling-in-ireland-1392127-Apr2014/

Ted_YNWA

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I keep hearing everyone is selling alcohol at below cost but nobody ever has actual numbers to back them up. It's all I selling something for 10 euro, Amazon has it for 6, they must be selling it below cost.

Exactly, who is going around to shops & off-licences & going

"Let me see the invoice for when you bought these cans/bottles"

Will be a case by case basis what deals they have with suppliers, Tesco/Dunnes will be ordering more than independent corner offy, so will be able to negotiate a deal.

Highflyer13

We have shot ourselves in the foot by willing to pay such high prices for drink for so long. Vintners are worried now that a real alternative is there we might finally awaken to the fact that we've been robbed. The cosy cartel is worried and using political influence now.

mikom

What a LOVELY girl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0RkyNxSOEI

qt3.14

AndonHandon wrote: »

Well, Wetherspoons have serious buying power compared to even Charlie Chawke which allows them to purchase in massive volumes thus allowing them to get an excellent discount. But publicans no now will need to adapt and, like with the rise of the supermarket, there is still a place for the little man provided he offers an excellent service at a good fair price.

Nothing stopping the vintners association establishing a buyers co-op. Have central purchasing, wholly owned distribution rather than relying on diageo et al to do the deliveries etc.

washman3

machiavellianme wrote: »

She's obviously the latest pawn for the cartel that is the vintners association.
If wetherspoons can sell for that price and still make a profit, how is it below cost?

Excellent point.!!
People like her are also anti-Ryanair. They would rather have us back in the days when the ordinary person travelled to Britain by boat while the elite paid Aer Lingus one months average industrial wage to get there.
Mouthpiece for the Irish Vintners Association....;)

DeJa VooDoo

Highflyer13 wrote: »

We have shot ourselves in the foot by willing to pay such high prices for drink for so long. Vintners are worried now that a real alternative is there we might finally awaken to the fact that we've been robbed. The cosy cartel is worried and using political influence now.

The VFA have always formed government policy.
Half the TD's in the country are publicans FFS.

I used to go out at least once a week for a few scoops and a bite to eat with the missus.
Now, it's not worth the hassle or the cost.
A nice bottle of wine or two and a takeaway with friends at home is so much more civil and with the savings I make I get an extra holiday in the sun each year.
F*ck the publicans of Ireland, they screwed us for long enough.

DeJa VooDoo

mikom wrote: »

What a LOVELY girl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0RkyNxSOEI

Maybe if she was in the driving seat she wouldn't have crashed the car.......

Cantona's Collars

Remember a few years ago when Northern shops were booming as the €1=£1 and we flocked across the border and literally filled cars with booze & flat screen tv's.
The TD's & their friends cried foul then and are at it again when somebody decides to charge reasonable prices for a pint.

BlatentCheek

Classic FG paternalism: prevent binge-drinking by making drink too expensive for the plebs to afford.

No doubt the Mary Mitchell O'Connors of this world will continue to be able to afford their champagne.

Of course the fact that both the cost of alcohol and consumption rates have fallen quite a bit in recent years is completely ignored when these shills go out tub-thumping for the VFI.

WhatNowForUs?

efb wrote: »

Ming andMick called her Miss piggy

I think you mean Shane Ross rather than Ming.

DeJa VooDoo

zerks wrote: »

Remember a few years ago when Northern shops were booming as the €1=£1 and we flocked across the border and literally filled cars with booze & flat screen tv's.
The TD's & their friends cried foul then and are at it again when somebody decides to charge reasonable prices for a pint.

The average price of a pint in Ireland is €4.67.
The government takes at least €1.50 of this.
You can see why they're panicking.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jar.ie%2Farticle%2Fthe-price-of-a-pint-in-ireland&ei=cy2pVODLLcP6Uvu0gaAL&usg=AFQjCNEj3ocFMVjc96sOpgcruQJ7Ze5l1g

matrim

DeJa VooDoo wrote: »

Half the TD's in the country are publicans FFS.

If a TD is also a publican should they have to abstain from voting on legalisation such as this because it will directly affect their business and business rivals.

DeJa VooDoo

matrim wrote: »

If a TD is also a publican should they have to abstain from voting on legalisation such as this because it will directly affect their business and business rivals.

Very true.
A serious conflict of interests there ok.

The Backwards Man

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

I think the complete opposite in relation to opening hours.
Often on a Friday night (or any night) after a hard week at work and getting the kids to bed and during down with the missus for a while I'd feel like a pint but it could be 11o clock.
By the time I'd get ready and into a bar it's close to closing time so I don't bother paying for a taxi to fire 2/3 drinks down my throat while being told to leave and pay for a taxi home.
When we lived in New York I could pop up anytime to the bar and have a couple of drinks in comfort.
Also shift workers get a raw deal in relation to opening hours.
So all in all I'd like to see a relaxation in regards to opening hours and see a stricter policy in regards to very drunk people in bars.

I don't agree. Shift workers have to contend with banks, post offices, supermarkets etc. being closed when they are finished work so I don't get that argument at all.

Whether the pubs closed at 1am, 11pm or 2pm in the afternoon in the afternoon you'll always have the stragglers coming in for the last call. If they close that bit earlier though, you'll have more people in them, both due to the late callers being earlier, and more people going out because they know they will be home earlier and able to get up in the morning. Not to mention it's a lot easier to get a babysitter until midnight rather than who knows what time in the morning.

I've been in New York on the razzle, and a few other twenty four hour towns (twenty in the NY case), and I can tell you this, there's not too many pubs pulling up too many trees in it on a weeknight after eleven, so that kind of throws the whole shift work thing out the window

BlatentCheek

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I don't agree. Shift workers have to contend with banks, post offices, supermarkets etc. being closed when they are finished work so I don't get that argument at all.

The difference is that in those cases the businesses involved made the decision that it wasn't worth their while to open whereas in the case of licensed premises their hours are being limited by the state in a manner which disadvantages shift workers.

matrim

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I've been in New York on the razzle, and a few other twenty four hour towns (twenty in the NY case), and I can tell you this, there's not too many pubs pulling up too many trees in it on a weeknight after eleven, so that kind of throws the whole shift work thing out the window

So in those places most people / pubs follow a sensible approach without the law forcing them too while also allowing for people who want to be out on those nights late. That is a good argument for allowing pubs to pick their own hours

Dr Turk Turkelton

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I don't agree. Shift workers have to contend with banks, post offices, supermarkets etc. being closed when they are finished work so I don't get that argument at all.

Whether the pubs closed at 1am, 11pm or 2pm in the afternoon in the afternoon you'll always have the stragglers coming in for the last call. If they close that bit earlier though, you'll have more people in them, both due to the late callers being earlier, and more people going out because they know they will be home earlier and able to get up in the morning. Not to mention it's a lot easier to get a babysitter until midnight rather than who knows what time in the morning.

I've been in New York on the razzle, and a few other twenty four hour towns (twenty in the NY case), and I can tell you this, there's not too many pubs pulling up too many trees in it on a weeknight after eleven, so that kind of throws the whole shift work thing out the window

In regards supermarkets a lot of them now close very late or are open 24 hours.
In regards banks-you really know how to grind my gears!!!
They are a joke in this country even closing for lunch when people would get a chance to do some banking.
Not wanting to harp on about New York but they opened until 7 there and were open on a Saturday as well.