E2.50 pints should be outlawed, says FG TD

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http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/250-pub-pints-should-be-outlawed-says-fg-td-30880442.html


Cheaper drinks in pubs would actually help reduce binge drinking. Most binge drinkers go down the supermarket buy what ever is strongest & cheapest & are usually unsupervised.
Would also encourage people to socialise a bit more too

PizzamanIRL

More pints mean more pint glasses are needed which means more sand is needed from the desert to make the glasses which means destroying camels' habitat.

Won't somebody think of the camels?

Oh would she ever **** off.

b_mac2

She should be more worried about bringing in a minimum pricing on pie and cake...

machiavellianme

She's obviously the latest pawn for the cartel that is the vintners association.
If wetherspoons can sell for that price and still make a profit, how is it below cost?

keano25

Somebody is fishing for votes.

I swear, anybody that try's to bring the cost of living down in this country is always met with opposition from the government.

Atlantic Dawn

There should be a quota system where everyone in the country over 18 gets vouchers to buy 5 €2.50 pints a week, valid in any pub in the country.

Help!!!!

Probably gets her wine imported from France

Dr Turk Turkelton

Is she not the eejit that drove down the steps of the Dail on her first day there?
It's her driving a car that should be outlawed and let bars set their own pricing of they can turn a profit good luck to them.

AndonHandon

Binge drinking is defined by 3-4 pints in one sitting. Clearly €5 pints doesn't stop that. €5 pints is so expensive though, but I pay it when I go out at the weekend in Dublin as the places I like unfortunately charge it. As a result of this however, you wouldn't find me in a pub between Monday - Thursday for casual drink as it is too much to pay for a casual midweek drink. If I knew a pub had €3 pints I would actually head in to relax and break up the week with a friend or a few friends. Instead I would have a couple of bottles of beer 1-2 of the midweek nights at home. My point on this pub-pricing is that it does barely anything to influence how much I drink.

The crusade of politicians to introduce minimum pricing for alcohol in pubs (separately to supermarkets) smacks of cosying up to the publican cartel which I honestly believe agree at their meetings to set prices at minimum levels across the board. Clearly Wetherspoons is going to work as it is good value and promotes craft beers which is what drinkers want in this day and age. No televisions in the pubs mean the focus is on chatting and socialising. Good pubs will adapt e.g. By running drinks promos on the 'off-peak days' (I'm amazed pubs do not do this already and instead are so reliant on Friday and Saturday nights).

kenmccarthy

Below cost??????????
Wetherspoons are going to pay tax, create employment and create competition in the hospitality industry.............its all good.
doubt if they're opening here unless there's a profit in it

AndonHandon

machiavellianme wrote: »

She's obviously the latest pawn for the cartel that is the vintners association.
If wetherspoons can sell for that price and still make a profit, how is it below cost?

Well, Wetherspoons have serious buying power compared to even Charlie Chawke which allows them to purchase in massive volumes thus allowing them to get an excellent discount. But publicans no now will need to adapt and, like with the rise of the supermarket, there is still a place for the little man provided he offers an excellent service at a good fair price.

yipeeeee

AndonHandon wrote: »

Binge drinking is defined by 3-4 pints in one sitting. Clearly €5 pints doesn't stop that. €5 pints is so expensive though, but I pay it when I go out at the weekend in Dublin as the places I like unfortunately charge it. As a result of this however, you wouldn't find me in a pub between Monday - Thursday for casual drink as it is too much to pay for a casual midweek drink. If I knew a pub had €3 pints I would actually head in to relax and break up the week with a friend or a few friends. My point on this pub-pricing is that it does barely anything to influence how much I drink.

The crusade of politicians to introduce minimum pricing for alcohol in pubs (separately to supermarkets) smacks of cosying up to the publican cartel which I honestly believe agree at their meetings to set prices at minimum levels across the board. Clearly Wetherspoons is going to work as it is good value and promotes craft beers which is what drinkers want in this day and age. No televisions in the pubs mean the focus is on chatting and socialising. Good pubs will adapt e.g. By running drinks promos on the 'off-peak days' (I'm amazed pubs do not do this already and instead are so reliant on Friday and Saturday nights).

good points, but are you not saying that because of cheap pints you would now drink more during the week?

RobYourBuilder

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

Is she not the eejit that drove down the steps of the Dail on her first day there?
It's her driving a car that should be outlawed and let bars set their own pricing of they can turn a profit good luck to them.

That's her.

Interesting tidbit;

Mary Mitchell O'Connor wrote:

"A very good friend of mine, a publican in Navan, gave me great advice

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/you-wipe-your-feet-walk-away-forget-it-and-build-a-new-life-for-yourself-26833377.html

Help!!!!

The problem is people like her will drive the likes of Wetherspoons out of Ireland. We need competition in Ireland to bring prices down not have them keep rising

towelly

I for one support Fine Gael's stance to welcome a decision which has seen Wetherspoons cut ties with Heineken (a major employer in Cork), and stop supplying Heineken and Cork's famous Murphy's Irish Stout in their 926 pubs. I also agree with Fine Gael's stance on minimum alcohol pricing because it will discourage tourists from visiting as they will get much better value for money in neighbouring countries, because let's be honest, we're flush in Ireland and don't really need tourists coming here and spending money.

mattser

How much is the pint in the Dail bar ??

Cienciano

Another school teacher thinking adults are her schoolkids. Fúck off Mary

Atlantic Dawn

mattser wrote: »

How much is the pint in the Dail bar ??

Depends when they feel like settling their tab.

kenmccarthy

I LOVE that post with the car stuck.......................
if you were going to make a laughing stock of yourself its best to have your name in big letters along the side of the car........a classic!!!!!!

AndonHandon

yipeeeee wrote: »

good points, but are you not saying that because of cheap pints you would now drink more during the week?

Sorry, I should have added that I would have bottles in the fridge always so would have maybe 2-3 on one or two of the midweek evenings depending on what I was up to after work.

CrackisWhack

They should outlaw €5 pints

Littlehorny

The vintners association have been crying for years now about empty pubs and 1500 pubs closing in Ireland every year. Then they attack the supermarket and off license sector for selling booze cheaper than them.
This has been going on for a few years now and there only answer so far is this minimum cost bull crap. Great idea, let's keep the prices high and screw our customers from who we make our living to the wall! Irish answer to an Irish problem.
They never want to talk about the fact that it is just too expensive sometimes to go down to the local for a few drinks and god help you if you are driving our are not drinking for whatever reason, the price of minerals and mixers in pubs is criminal.
The government for all there crowing won't address that Ireland charges a very high rate of tax on alcohol sales as well.

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Littlehorny wrote: »

They never want to talk about the fact that it is just too expensive sometimes to go down to the local for a few drinks and god help you if you are driving our are not drinking for whatever reason, the price of minerals and mixers in pubs is criminal.

Charging the same price for non alcoholic beers as alcoholic ones is ridiculous too

Baron Kurtz

The 2.50 pint thing just won't catch on anyway - even with this ape's intervention - or anything remotely close to 2.50. As someone said before, anything with the word craft in the title the price is automatically jacked up by publicans. Proven yet again by a relatively newly opened bar in Dublin, East Side Tavern. Ordinary swill, masquerading as craft offerings were all roughly 6 euro and above. If this is what's common in Ireland still then there's no hope for folks to socialise more than once a month in a pub without extortion.

Heroditas

The argument that a higher price for alcohol here will curb binge drinking is bizarre. We already have one of the highest prices in Europe apparently yet we have a binge drinking problem.
How come the countries with lower alcohol prices don't have such a problem? I'd love to understand the rationale.
I was in the Wetherspoons in Blackrock on Tuesday night and the place was doing a roaring trade, nobody falling around the place hammered either. The pub across the road was deserted.

Help!!!!

The TD's & Anti fun brigade don't seem to realise the majority of problem binge drinkers don't want to go to pubs anyway

Streetwalker

2.50 is still too expensive. Could get a few cans for that.

Cienciano

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

That's her.

Interesting tidbit;



http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/you-wipe-your-feet-walk-away-forget-it-and-build-a-new-life-for-yourself-26833377.html

Interesting, the LVA and VFI pubs seem to be the only people selling alcohol right. In the OP its wetherspoons doing it wrong.

http://www.marymitchelloconnor.ie/minimum-pricing-needed-to-combat-alcohol-deaths/
Here its supermarkers:

“Hundreds of deaths could be avoided every year by introducing a minimum price for alcohol”, according to Mary Mitchell O’Connor, Fine Gael TD for Dun Laoghaire. Deputy Mitchell O’Connor was speaking in the Dáil today (Tuesday).

“Three people are dying every day due to alcohol and 2,000 hospital beds are occupied every night by people with alcohol related illnesses.

“Due to low supermarket prices and aggressive price promotions, consumers can purchase large amounts of alcohol at ridiculously low prices.

Here's the real reason.
http://www.marymitchelloconnor.ie/below-cost-selling-of-alcohol-harming-hospitality-industry/

“The issue of below cost selling is becoming more and more damaging to the hospitality industry as restaurants and pubs are experiencing a significant shift of customers away from their doors. With supermarkets being able to buy in bulk, they can offer significant reductions on beer and wine which people are purchasing and drinking in their homes.

“Two worrying aspects of this for me are that, not only are pubs and restaurants unable to keep up with below cost retailers due to the increased excise tax introduced last year, but the rise in alcohol consumption in the home is cause for concern from a health point of view

Ah the poor pubs. Ireland never had a problem with alcohol when it was the pub owners deciding the prices and who got alcohol. I've never seen an alcoholic do into a pub.

AndonHandon

It should be noted that Mary Mitchell's constituency has 2 Wetherspoons in it; hmmmmmmmm!

Littlehorny

Help!!!! wrote: »

The TD's & Anti fun brigade don't seem to realise the majority of problem binge drinkers don't want to go to pubs anyway

Totally correct, well run good pubs don't have fights all over the place with slobs collapsing here and there. The vintners and government have created a culture of people under thirty in this country who hardly ever go to the pub and do all there drinking at home.
My son is twenty and him and his mates meet up in houses for drinks and head straight out in a taxi to a night club. The problem is they are drinking way more spirits than we ever did and are pouring themselves very large measures i.e getting drunk very quickly. I have seen more drunkiness and trouble at house parties than i have ever seen in the local pubs.
But this is the culture they have created and they have no intention or ideas how to change it. The amount of alcohol hasn't gone down, just where it is being drunk is.