Prince Andrew in jep?

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481654#Comment_118481654

yeah there will be, they want to subpoena at least one of his Royal Protection Officers from that date of Beatrices birthday party.

The Pizza Express thing could be a red herring anyway, he said in the BBC interview that he was there and then went home with the kids. He could well have been there at an afternoon birthday party but equally there is photographic proof he was with Giuffre later that evening. There is nothing to say that he couldnt have done both in one day. There is also a witness from Tramps nightclub who will place Andrew there and then of course his Royal Protection Officers too. His lies and half truths will catch up with him

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118472942#Comment_118472942

Had not looked at it that way, but seeing it written out, you are 100% correct. I remember seeing the (in)famous photo of himself and Epstein walking up the street when it happened and thinking how is he getting away with this. There were always questions over Epstein, even from that stage.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479072#Comment_118479072

That's really not fair on Beatrice. She's not answerable for her Father's conduct when she was 11 years old and its disappointing that she would be used in this way.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482350#Comment_118482350

She’s not answerable for her fathers behaviour at any age, anymore then you or I.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482449#Comment_118482449

Ehhh I agree, sorry if that does not come across.. she is not her Father's keeper.

Courts can summon people at any age and they have to appear as witnesses even against their own family, but to expect a child to account for their 11th Birthday is extra ridiculous.

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482488#Comment_118482488

She’s not a child, she’s 33.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482665#Comment_118482665

They are expecting her to answer questions about her 11th Birthday party, ffs.

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482672#Comment_118482672

So?

cj maxx

Imagine getting fired from mammy from your job, where you have Fcuk all to do but turn up dressed in military garb

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481800#Comment_118481800

I was under the impression that the Pizza Express he said he was at didn't actually exist at the time.

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482350#Comment_118482350

She is not being asked to be accountable for Andrews conduct in any way. He made a claim that the Pizza Express party was a type of alibi for not meeting Guifree on the date in question. Given there is alleged sexual assault on the line here that alibi has to be tested. Its Andrews fault for dragging his own daughter into his story to give him cover.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484313#Comment_118484313

He would be given the list of questions he would be asked by the BBC reporter in advance for preparation for the actual interview, you'd think he'd make sure that the outlet existed then

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484442#Comment_118484442

Yep, it’s his fault, but what realistically do they expect someone to remember from their 11th Birthday 22 years later. It’s not going to result in anything that helpful to the case do you think?

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484547#Comment_118484547

But the context of his answer is that he or she would never celebrate her birthday in a fast food outlet normally and this may have been a once off event even to have her father there with her on that day and was a treat for both of them

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484592#Comment_118484592

Maybe.

I still can’t really see what they are going to get. it’s fairly plausible that she will just say, she can’t remember and that’s fair enough.

Will definitely put the wind up him and embarrass him even further, but not sure of value beyond that.

Correct me if I’m wrong but he dues not have ti attend (due to jurisdiction) abd could give a written deposition.

could Beatrice do the sane?

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484547#Comment_118484547

If she were to corroborate that he was there at a specific time it could be very helpful for his defence. If she cant recall then it doesnt mean anything one way or the other as she was an 11 year old child. The whole thing is sh1t for her but her dad introduced her as an alibi against his alleged crime so his claim has to be tested in order for justice to be done for both sides.

Im dubious of the Pizza Express story anyway. He could well have been there at 4 or 5pm and then in Tramps nightclub later that night. Woking and London are not that far apart, about an hours drive.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484624#Comment_118484624

It would help as he said he was the only parent at home at the time so presumably stayed all night with his children and maybe their friends may be there...the correlation between the incident date and his childs birthday is to his benefit if that day is actually her birthday.... surprisingly the other 2 sexual allegations in the states especially the orgy with 7/8 girls should be a way easier to prove if the girls can say it was him on that day on the island resort during his visits there

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484766#Comment_118484766

It cannot have been Beatrice’s 11th birthday. She was born on 8/8/88. Eugenie, on the other hand was born in March 1990, so could have been her 11th birthday. If memory serves me right, Beatrice was a guest at someone else’s birthday party on the date in question.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484896#Comment_118484896

I'm sure there were many London visits before and after where this photo could have been taken and nothing happened on those occasions if at all....that photo could never incriminate him in any wrongdoing...if he accepted he knew her albeit briefly and stood with her for a innocent photo while at Maxwell and Epstein private home as a guest in their London during that BBC interview,it would be perfectly plausible... I'll never understand his blatant denials of accepting the photo is probably for real.

BattleCorp1

Fcuked if I can remember what I did for my 11th birthday. Nor my 12th, 13th, 14th etc.

I'm curious about this point. If Giuffre's legal team want to question Beatrice, Eugenie, Prince Charles etc., what obligation is there for them to make themselves available?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488338#Comment_118488338

absolutely none. it doesn't look good for andrew though if his alibi isn't willing to testify on his behalf.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488338#Comment_118488338

I would have thought that for security reasons, there'd be some sort of log or record if people were there for a party, or if he went out to a Pizza place in another town.

BattleCorp1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488349#Comment_118488349

I'd imagine his security detail/secretary etc. would have details about such a trip if it happened so they should be the people to ask about it, not someone who was around the age of 11 at the time............some 20 years later?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488375#Comment_118488375

Andrew never struck me as a pizza place kinda guy so a birthday party somewhere normal might have stuck in her memory. Maybe.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488384#Comment_118488384

It wasn’t her birthday. It was a friends.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488421#Comment_118488421

I didnt say it was her birthday party.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488429#Comment_118488429

The family who hosted the birthday party are the ones who should be questioned.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488338#Comment_118488338

There are international procedures by which the courts in one place - say, New York - can ask the courts in another place - say, England - to assist them in taking evidence from witnesses in the other place. With the co-operation of the English courts, a witness could be subpoenaed to testify before an English judge. Lawyers from both parties in the NY lawsuit would attend to ask questions of the witness in the usual way. The evidence would be transcribed by a shorthand reporter and the transcript used in the NY proceedings.

It's expensive, and it's cumbersome, and it's usually used with co-operative witnesses who are happy to testify but can't or won't travel to NY to do so. But it is at least in theory available for reluctant witnesses also.

Wildly unlikely that Giuffe would wish to take evidence from Eugenie and Beatrice about things that happened when they were 8 and 11 years old. Childhood recollections after a lapse of so many years about specific days or specific events would not be very reliable anyway; how much do you remember about the 11th birthday parties that you attended?

Muahahaha

Its remarkable that the tabloids havent dug up the manager or former staff of this Pizza Express to ask if they recall Prince Andrew being in there, its not something they would forget. The tabloids all use private investigators so it wouldnt be that hard for them (or for Andrews defence team) to product more alibis.

Also his Pizza Express story came from him stating he had looked back on his diaries from 20 years ago. The Met officers from the Royal Protection Unit will also have diaries. And if they were doing their job right they will also have done a security and risk assessment of this Pizza Express becasue thats what professional bodyguards protecting someone against kidnapping do, they assess venues before they show up. So there should be a paper trail of that too if Andrew was there.

In any case Pizza Express is a red herring dropped in there by Andrew himself. Its 100% feasible for him to have been in both Pizza Express and Tramps nightclub on the same evening, Pizza Express wouldnt even be open past 10pm or 11pm and an 11 years olds birthday party isnt exactly a late evening thing anyway. The Pizza Express story was a bottle of smoke designed to throw confusion during his BBC interview but when the prosecution examines the fine details its not going to add up as the alibi he thinks it is.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494452#Comment_118494452

But was his main thrust was that he was at home with the kids all night after the pizza express party as their mother wasn't there... obviously he'd be at home other nights as well but that nights date and Roberts allegations date crossover would be helped by a event to remember ...invented or not to make it believable... Maxwell and Epstein and roberts plane journey times to and from London must be logged during that time to see how long they stayed there at Maxwells house unless they stayed only 1 night