Prince Andrew in jep?

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494769#Comment_118494769

yeah for sure and thats why Im saying the Pizza Express story is a red herring, it doesnt give him cover for not being in a nightclub later that night. Neither does his story that he went home with his daughters, he could have been straight back out the door after that and left them with their nannies. Windsor and Woking are only up the road from one another and the city centre isnt that far to get to a nightclub on the same evening.

And then Guiffres lawyers have a photo of him with her that night in Maxwells house and they are going to produce a witness who says she saw Andrew and a girl matching Guiffrees description dancing at Tramps nightclub. The story he spun in the BBC interview is what is now going to trip him up, he has no chance of proving his version of events to any level of credibility.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496503#Comment_118496503

The focus and details to date though, in the public domain, have all been about the UK aspect of this case- it will be interesting if there’s the same level of detail and witnesses to the other 2 locations where these alleged events occurred.

I still can’t get my head around he had sex with a teenager in a house no more than maybe 1100 square foot whilst Epstein and Maxwell listened on - it just doesn’t fit for me- if he did that then I’d certainly be asking the question, what else is to come? Coz that’s one fecked up guy- but I’m not convinced yet

Riesen_Meal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496537#Comment_118496537

It's difficult to imagine alright...

https://postimg.cc/Xr86ygbM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496579#Comment_118496579

I mean, yes he’s known as “Randy Andy” - but that’s in the context of mature adults in their 20s and beyond- there’s been absolutely no other stories supporting that he’s had other encounters with girls of similar age since this news was released some years ago - and you’d imagine there should be-yes his reputation is shot simply based on his relationship with Epstein alone no less his un-empathetic and downright self- serving interview - but still, I’m holding out until I hear the testimonies of the other two locations - if they’re anything like this then he’s truely feiced

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496579#Comment_118496579

and also, don’t stop there- you can post photos of Prince Charles with Jimmy Saville- numerous ones at various locations- it doesn’t prove anything - at the time that photo was taken, Weinstein and Maxwell weren’t accused of anything that was readily available in the public domain - I don’t believe in guilt by association or even trial by media- I have certain concerns also as to how Giuffre has gone about this civil suit - but very happy to agree that Andrew is a total twat at the very least- but he’s not the first royal to be seduced by money power and popularity

Riesen_Meal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496628#Comment_118496628

Seems he hasn't a leg to stand on, but you are bang on in that sense, there hasn't been other young girls coming forward...

I think it's going to get awful messy...

Riesen_Meal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496697#Comment_118496697

I'll be honest, I haven't looked into it that much but when I saw the photo I genuinely shuddered after seeing the other photo of him and the American girl involved..

I'm clearly not as up on the case as yourself other than a passing interest in it purely because of the fact he was known as Randy Andy, and he's a royal....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496714#Comment_118496714

I don’t think anyone is an “expert” on this topic TBH-me included- the fact that it’s America and a civil suit means it’s way below the standards of “justice” that we’d be used to in Ireland, whether civil or criminal. It’s more like a circus- your posts are as valid as mine are- I somehow think the truth may never be uncovered

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496537#Comment_118496537

I think the focus is on the UK aspect becasue thats what they have the most evidence for. Theres also allegations that he was on Epsteins island, we might well have witnesses placing him there but there isnt any photographic evidence of him and Giuffree together there.

Not sure why you cant imagine him having sex with a young girl. Its what many men of his age desire, especially if its put on a plate for them with a pimp like Epstein. Its not like he could bring her back to Windsor and parade her in front of all his house staff and kids nannies. If he brought her to a hotel then every chance the concierge is ringing the tabloids to make some easy money. Maxwells house was in Belgravia near Hyde park, its arguably Londons wealthiest area to live and theres parts of it that are blocked off by private security who keep papparazzi and anyone else who is uninvited out. So bringing a teenager there was as good an option as he had. I mean he didnt get caught by the tabloids so the plan worked at the time, barring the photo he posed for with Giuiffree.

Riesen_Meal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496917#Comment_118496917

The yanks will lap it up alright and it will be a media circus if he ends up going over...

One rule for the royals obviously and different rules for everybody else...

There just seems to be a murky underbelly to all the affluent *celebrity* world that some of these people mingle around in and group's they are socialising with...

I'm not saying it's a seedy pedo sex cult, but it could well be with friends such as Epstein & co in the photo I reposted.... 🤷‍♂️

madeiracake

I don't know it's all very messed up. You have the witness from the Maxwell case saying Giuiffree was bragging about shagging Andrew (doesn't sound like rape) and while gross and inappropriate she was of legal age in England. Andrew is a complete tosser but I'm not convinced he is a rapist.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497019#Comment_118497019

I’m not ruling it out- the royals have a history of debauchery let’s face it- and his interview showed him up as a self centered narcissist -and also, we’ve seen Americas 80s “Dad”, aka Cosby, exposed as a major and serial sex offender - it’s just that the sordidness of what is alleged happened in the UK hasn’t been repeated as an allegation by any other person- it’s just annoying me that’s all- something doesn’t sit right for me in this case. Can’t explain it really any further than that

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497106#Comment_118497106

So called Statutory Rape might come into play

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497080#Comment_118497080

I'm not saying it's a seedy pedo sex cult, but it could well be with friends such as Epstein & co in the photo I reposted.... 🤷‍♂️

All the evidence points towards it being exactly that- a pedo sex circle where the rich and famous could pay to have sex with young girls in New York, Florida, the Caribbean and where ever Epstein would take girls on his private jet. Both Trump and Clinton are on his private jet logs as passengers. Trump was fully aware of how young these girls were-

Back in 2002, when Jeffrey Epstein was known only as a mysterious financial whiz with a private island and a roster of A-list friends, being friendly with him was something to boast about. And Donald Trump did.

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine that year for a story headlined “Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery.” “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Now, Epstein is in jail, charged with sex trafficking by federal prosecutors who allege he abused dozens of female minors in New York and Palm Beach, Fla. He is no longer a friend anyone would want to claim.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-called-epstein-a-terrific-guy-before-denying-relationship-with-him/2019/07/08/a01e0f00-a1be-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html

Given Maxwell has now been convicted of trafficking young girls for sex I think it is obvious that her and Epstein were running a a pedo sex ring that offered privacy and discretion to the wealthy and famous.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497242#Comment_118497242

Not in UK Shirley? And also, incredibly difficult to prove Andy knowingly had sex with a trafficked individual who was of age in the UK. That’s why I think there’s a lot of pre-trial publicity “circus” going on with the prosecution side of the house- why not stick to the legal courts and wait to have your day in court? I’m not a fan of this American bullsh1t trial by popular opinion in advance of a trial

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497347#Comment_118497347

It’s as valid a theory and point of view as any other- it’s a sordid headline that will sell newspapers - but whether it’s true or not?

Foggy Jew

i bet HRH & the Buck House spinners are praying that the Boris ‘I thought it was a work-do’ story will run & run, deflecting from Andrew ‘I don’t sweat’ Windsor. I believe all these media stories are being stage managed to the ultimate. The whole lot sickens my ar*se.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497398#Comment_118497398

Preparation H maybe? :D

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497347#Comment_118497347

It was obvious that prince Andrew,Clinton etc knew exactly what was going on at all the residences but I wonder were they paying cash for and to the girls for services on a pay per service method as Epstein did and that the girls were available and wanted to make themselves Available as part of the scene and wanted to be there to enjoy the luxuries and cash to be made and part of the attraction of Epstein and Maxwell's continued friendship benefits ...many of these girls kept coming back into this environment more than likely on a voluntary basis because it was a lucrative number for them and no doubting everyone seemed to have a good time.....I loosing any sympathy for these girls who are now calling themselves victims but at the time were making themselves available for long periods for easy money they wanted.

Riesen_Meal

https://youtu.be/zw_1lF9qv_Q

Weirdly this came up on my YouTube feed, good old Google algorithms 😬

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497457#Comment_118497457

SFAIK there has been no suggestion that Epstein's friends and acquaintances paid Epstein or the girls; no money changed hands. Epstein provided the girls in order to build relationships with famous and powerful people. and/or to acquire influence over them. The expenses of the operation were born by Epstein, who would well afford it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497457#Comment_118497457

One of the witnesses, who Roberts recruited as a 14 year old, said that Roberts asked her if she wanted to make some money

”Carolyn described to the court how Virginia had asked her if she’d like to ‘go and make some money’. All she had to do was go to a friend’s house in Palm Beach and give him a massage. The ‘friend’ was Jeffrey Epstein, and his house was the beachside mansion, where girls were regularly enticed to tend to his insatiable needs.”

”Maxwell asked, “how did everything go?” Virginia gave her a look to say it was a great session and that’s when Maxwell asked me for my telephone number.’ Three $100 bills were handed over as payment for her time.

Carolyn returned to the house about ‘a hundred times’ over the next four years, sometimes three or four times a week. Cash would be laid on the sink in the bathroom. She kept coming back because ‘$300 was a lot of money when you’re 14’”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10380333/Key-witness-Ghislaine-Maxwells-trial-waives-anonymity-makes-sensational-new-claim.html

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497960#Comment_118497960

I wasn't suggesting that the friends and acquaintances paid Epstein for the privilege of being at his residences and accept it was all based on friendship and connections but Epstein seemed to be paying the girls cash per each individual session he had with them and these same and different girls kept providing these services constantly on this basis according to these girls testimonials.... I'd be thinking these same girls would make themselves available with Epstein and Maxwell's subtle discreet approval at these private exclusive parties where some guests could/may avail at a price privately with 1 or more girls a massage service as Epstein used do....I don't believe these parties were organised open sex orgys forcing the girls to participate

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498601#Comment_118498601

There is no suggestion that any of Epstein's firends and acquaintances ever paid the girls, or ever paid Epstein for the girls.

The whole point (for Epstein) was to ingratiate himself with these people, and form bonds with them. Asking or expecting them to pay would have run completely counter to that.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498791#Comment_118498791

Epstein owned all his residences...what he did in them was his own business as he was entitled...he seemed to have masseuse girls made available to him through Maxwell all year around for his pleasure at all his residences and not just special occasions such as parties so as far I can see the girls were providing services for him and maybe other people wanted to use their services especially at parties...they probably would be willing to provide for reward if asked or requested...a bit like their Maxwell/ Epstein arrangement.... bit of stretch to say all the bonds he had with influencial people.... which works both ways as he would be also influencial himself.... depended on him providing them with a bit of free young skirt only... these girls would have been there anyway providing the fee based services to Epstein on a probably daily basis.

I’m secretly loving these tittle tattle stories 😀

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10428039/EXCLUSIVE-dont-toss-Prince-Andrew-feels-hes-horrible-nasty-man-Dukes-ex-maid.html#comments-10428039

I imagine there’s plenty more of this delicious tripe to come in the coming months

Some more hot gossip 🤣

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10429001/Queen-step-Prince-Andrew-rowed-Charles-Royal-TOILET.html

but on a serious note you can see what the media are doing- painting a picture of Prince Andrew as a self entitled rogue who gets whatever he wants. The media are indeed powerful - looks like there’s a campaign on now at The Mail to bury this guy.

Seems he’s not going to roll over. He’s got nothing else to lose, so he might as well fight. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445007/Prince-Andrew-files-legal-papers-DENYING-Virginia-Robertss-sex-abuse-allegations.html

kirk.

A lawyer was on TV said he just demanded the jury trial as she was going to get it anyway

It favours the plaintiff

He and his legal team have lost the plot denying Maxwell was a close friend of his - Shirley this is the beginning of the end- even the thickest of juries wouldn’t swallow that - he’s finished, he should just pay up now and save some legal bills as he’s going to look twice as guilty at the end of this if he doesn’t.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445007/Prince-Andrew-files-legal-papers-DENYING-Virginia-Robertss-sex-abuse-allegations.html