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Prince Andrew in jep?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,158 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    this is a civil case. any diplomatic immunity is irrelevant. there was never any question of public funds being use to fund his defence or pay a settlement.



  • Registered Users Posts: 31,854 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    He really seems like a horrible individual.

    I rather like the below story.


    Prince Philip’s media nickname “Phil The Greek” wasn’t just confined to the press. For a while, “The Greek” was also the secret code name by which his police protection officers referred to him.


    Less interesting: the Queen’s code name was “Purple One”.


    More interesting: Prince Andrew’s was “The C#nt”.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,239 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    He was also a full working member of the Royal Family when the alleged offences occurred, and for decades after even with the allegations being public knowledge. It was only when he ran out of road that he's now under the bus. The RF can't wash their hands of it, his actions will always be forever tied to his position and privilege as a member of the RF. Not to mention the photos that were shown during Maxwell's trial of her and Epstein at the Queen's lodge in Balmoral (or one of her other estates, can't remember which), and the numerous events/weddings they were at as his guests.

    Epstein/Maxwell would have used their connections to Prince Andrew as a way to form connections to other rich/powerful persons. Again, that's a stink that sticks to the RF no matter how much they push Andrew out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    harrys crime was just as bad he brought an infection into the house of Windsor that has spread world wide so both he & andrew should be taken off the succession line and banished to oblivion & told to sort themselves out. They are both knuckle heads & not worthy of any perks in the Royal household as they abused their positions and their staff too utter cnuts by all accounts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    You have to question the woman too she got paid off and agreed not to follow any other men legally why was andrew not part of this ? Was epstein secretly an anti establishment type & not protecting andrew was his subtle way of upsetting the apple cart. Any man can work hard and be a billionaire but not every man is born a prince. Is there another message in this whole fiasco?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,158 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    if there is I'm f*cked if can work it out from that word salad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    She had prince Andrew snared like a rabbit facing car headlights by her photo...he was a sitting duck from then on



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,158 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    yeah the poor lad was led on by a 17 year old.



  • Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    That photo suggests nothing really untowards him.... Maxwell also in the photo.. now a convicted procurer is the connection that could suggest intent



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,158 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    thankfully nobody has suggested that the photo alone shows anything untoward.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,239 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Prince Andrew: Has sex with trafficked teen provided to him by friends who are revealed to have been trafficking and abusing young girls for several years

    Prince Harry: Marries woman some people don't like


    bertiebomber: "THESE TWO THINGS ARE THE SAME TO ME!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    Roberts said she was sexually assaulted that evening



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,158 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    does she say that the photo showed an assault?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Im curious to know what is the burden of proof here.

    Is a picture all that she has?

    Just saying this because I know of a case in Ireland where the guy was arrested for a sexual assault on a girl. He is still suffering the after effects of the accusation. And she has got away with it.

    He was for 3 days the talk of the town. Eventually CCTV was located to show him smoking in the doorway where she said he assaulted her and her coming out, talking for a few minutes and her coming on to him and him pushing her off and walking away and getting into a taxi, then she went back inside and went home with her friends where later on she told one of them she had been assaulted and they went to the police, but the damage was done. He will always be the town rapist to some people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,158 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    it is a civil case so it is on the balance of probabilities.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik




  • Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    It strengthens her case substantially as she already said Maxwell encouraged her to oblige/persue...no doubting Maxwell was also there.... he's no doubt fully guilty of his association with Maxwell and the consequences that will follow.

    Post edited by cap.in.hand. on


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,613 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    It will be interesting to see what way he handles the trial and whether or not he travels to the US to go into the witness box and defend himself. His other option is to be cross examined in London and the tape played in court, that option isnt great for him either when a central part of his defence is that he never met Giuffre. His third option is just to ignore the trial altogether but that will look even worse for him and there will still be a judgement made, likely against him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,375 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    After the BBC interview that he thought had gone well (🤣🤣) he'd be better off trying to settle or ignoring it if he can.

    He was clearly uncomfortable at times during that relatively soft interview when he had already seen the questions, he'd be unlikely to do better under cross examination.



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    Whatever the photo does or doesn’t suggest, you’ve got to assume that Andrew doesn’t have a brain cell in his head.

    he is a member of the royal family and let’s himself get photographed with an underage girl. Like what t f? He’s a moron



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're right, of course. But I thought the interview by Maitlis was pure class - the iron fist in the velvet glove,



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,852 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Arrogance. Never thought he’d be held accountable for his actions.

    Happily best mates with a convicted sex offender. Most people would drop someone like that. Windsor didn’t. His choice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,613 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    It was some job by Maitlis.. What was even more astoinishing is that after the interview was over Andrew gave her a bit of a tour of the Palace and he said to her that he was very happy with the way the interview went, he really was that deluded.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,287 ✭✭✭✭kowloon




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh, how the mighty have fallen! I wonder how he feels to an object of ridicule. At least Fergies sin was to let someone suck her toes in broad daylight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Realtai


    Delighted for him!! It couldn't have happened to a nicer man! LMAO! 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,613 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Andrew in heaps more trouble now going by reports in todays Telegraph & Guardian. The Telegraph says Giuffres lawyers want to cross examine Princess Beatrice about her birthday party in Pizza Express. They also report she cant remember it (she would have been 11 at the time). Further they want to ask her if she has ever seen her father sweat. Then Andrews assistant is also been lined up for cross examination becasue his phone number was found in Epsteins little black book so they reckon he was a go between for everything Andrew was up to in Epsteins underage brothels. Then on top of all that they are also making noises about wanting to cross examine Prince Charles. Im not sure of what the link there is but the future King of England being cross examined by a New York court would be complete box office and an absolute media circus.

    There is serious pressure being cranked up now. No doubt Prince Charles will be raging that he might get dragged into this and Princess Beatrice doesnt seem able to corroborate this Pizza Express story so her testimony would go against her father. It all makes it more likely that Andrew will now choose to ignore the case altogether and suffer a judgement against him in default. That way he doesnt have to publicly apologise and avoids members of the Royal Family being cross examined as well as himself. The whole world will see him as guilty but thats probably his least worst option right now becasue if he defends it he can be found guilty and drag members of the Royal Family into the witness box.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Anyone else notice Prince Andrew was all over the papers in 1982 with Koo Stark and 40 years later he's still all over the papers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    And koo stark staunchly defends him as well as fergie and more than likely Ghislaine Maxwell would do the same



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,852 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    You’d think there’d be security records of Windsor being at Pizza Express if he actually was....



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