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    #3752
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    I don't think homeless people will be paying water charges.


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    #3753
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,017 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Grandpa Hassan wrote: »
    I agree. I am in the 'everyone to pay' camp. The anti water charge protesters are in the 'PAYE workers to pay' camp.

    And thats pretty much all there is to it with respect to the concept of water charges

    Wrong.


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    #3754
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Wrong.

    Really?

    If the direct user charges were eliminated tomorrow to maintain the 'some pay for all' status quo, the protest movement would disappear.


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    #3755
    ROCKMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    Barely There wrote: »
    Why would a homeless person be liable for water charges?

    Sounds like another strawman.
    Valetta wrote: »
    I don't think homeless people will be paying water charges.

    With selective reading like that .You would think ye add the odd :pac: or even a little :D


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    #3756
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,017 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Really?

    Yes, REALLY.

    I'm an anti water charges protester, but I'm not limited to Granpa Hassan's stupid reduction.

    I not against metering in principle, so long as the meters record ONLY what the users uses in regards of water and the cost doesn't include other bull****, like perks and outrageous bonuses for doing fück all.

    That's why I want to see the destruction of Irish Water.

    Hence why:
    The anti water charge protesters are in the 'PAYE workers to pay' camp.

    And thats pretty much all there is to it with respect to the concept of water charges

    is "wrong".


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    #3757
    keithclancy
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    shinzon wrote: »
    Im not talking about other countries im talking about here where commensurately everything is more expensive and where report after report has homelessness and people not having money to survive at the end of the month after paying all the bills they already nevermind the water charge on top of that

    Shin

    That's a problem with the Social Welfare system or peoples management of their personal finances.

    The cost to live is the cost to live, it should be reflected that way.

    At the moment people have the perception that they obtain services for 'free' when they are not free at all.


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    #3758
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Yes, REALLY.

    I'm an anti water charges protester, but I'm not limited to Granpa Hassan's stupid reduction.

    I not against metering in principle, so long as the meters record ONLY what the users uses in regards of water and the cost doesn't include other bull****, like perks and outrageous bonuses for doing fück all.

    That's why I want to see the destruction of Irish Water.

    Hence why:



    is "wrong".


    So if the status quo remained, users not charged directly, you will still be out there manning the barricades?


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    #3759
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭shinzon


    keithclancy wrote: »
    That's a problem with the Social Welfare system or peoples management of their personal finances.

    The cost to live is the cost to live, it should be reflected that way.

    At the moment people have the perception that they obtain services for 'free' when they are not free at all.

    Which we already know is not free same arguments different day, people are managing there finances as best they can under there particular circumstances, not everyone has the luxury to pay everything with shedloads of money

    the lack of understanding from people on here is absolutely disgraceful

    Shin


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    #3760
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Why do you keep talking about the brick guy? I'm talking about the incident where a woman was imprisoned in her car against her will, her staff were assaulted, Gardaí were assaulted and robbed and almost every offence under the public order act was breached. The brick guy is irrelevant to that.

    Was anyone charged for all of the offences you outline above.?


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    #3761
    ireland.man
    Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    shinzon wrote: »
    Which we already know is not free same arguments different day, people are managing there finances as best they can under there particular circumstances, not everyone has the luxury to pay everything with shedloads of money

    the lack of understanding from people on here is absolutely disgraceful

    Shin

    We're going through the deepest and most enduring economic recession in over 130 years. It's a global crisis and unemployment and hardship around the EU is huge. We're witnessing the results of financial deregulation and then the awful results of an ideologically based austerity-led programme, an approach that has never worked before and is prolonging the crisis now in the EU.

    But it's mainly about how people budget and whether they spend money on flatscreen tvs, according the the economists in this thread...


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    #3762
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭shinzon


    ROCKMAN wrote: »
    With selective reading like that .You would think ye add the odd :pac: or even a little :D

    I actually deliberately put homeless people in there just to see if theyd quote that part of my post and they did so they didn't do it but I will

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

    Shin


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    #3763
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Here's a thought,the vast majority of meters are situated just yards from peoples front doors,how many leaks are present in those few yards? Very,very little you'll find.This blows the "meters are present to detect leaks & help save water" argument away.

    I have worked at installing,repairing & replacing water pipes,not once have I or my workmates found the last few yards of the connection to premises leaking.The problems were with the mains itself...........of course all this money spent on IW & still not a leak fixed.A very expensive billing company disguised as a utility is what we've been given.


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    #3764
    keithclancy
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    shinzon wrote: »
    Which we already know is not free same arguments different day, people are managing there finances as best they can under there particular circumstances, not everyone has the luxury to pay everything with shedloads of money

    the lack of understanding from people on here is absolutely disgraceful

    Shin

    So you have no answer and basically return to saying people don't care about the people who need support from the Social Welfare system.


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    #3765
    Grandpa Hassan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭Grandpa Hassan


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Yes, REALLY.

    I'm an anti water charges protester, but I'm not limited to Granpa Hassan's stupid reduction.

    I not against metering in principle, so long as the meters record ONLY what the users uses in regards of water and the cost doesn't include other bull****, like perks and outrageous bonuses for doing fück all.

    That's why I want to see the destruction of Irish Water.

    Hence why:



    is "wrong".

    No its not wrong. The protests are for the abolition of water tax. Not a change to Irish Water. The organisers of the protests are making that very very clear. I do not support IW in its current form. But I do agree with water charges.

    And a protest against water charges, is a demand that the PAYE worker picks up the tab.

    If the protest were against the structure of IW, then that would be different. But it is not. Just look at all the banners "water is a human right" etc etc. I have a real problem being seen to support the organisers of these protests, and no way I would join them


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    #3766
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    Daith wrote: »
    From the taxpayer and borrowing.

    Think again.
    Come back when you have an answer.


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    #3767
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    hju6 wrote: »
    Was anyone charged for all of the offences you outline above.?

    Not yet no. Do you think that means it didn't happen?


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    #3768
    TheChizler
    Registered Users Posts: 9,439 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    zerks wrote: »
    Here's a thought,the vast majority of meters are situated just yards from peoples front doors,how many leaks are present in those few yards? Very,very little you'll find.This blows the "meters are present to detect leaks & help save water" argument away.

    I have worked at installing,repairing & replacing water pipes,not once have I or my workmates found the last few yards of the connection to premises leaking.The problems were with the mains itself...........of course all this money spent on IW & still not a leak fixed.A very expensive billing company disguised as a utility is what we've been given.

    Huh? How does that imply they won't be useful for detecting leaks? If everything in the house is off and the meter is still spinning you've got a leak somewhere. Equally if the sum of all the meter readings in a neighbourhood is less than the value at meter at the distribution node for that neighbourhood you know at what stage in the supply the leak is.


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    #3769
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    Barely There wrote: »
    :confused:

    What else is going to happen?

    Do you think Enda will be siphoning off the money to pay for a holiday home in the Seychelles for some of his banker/bondholder buddies?


    You got it in one.
    There's hope for us all.


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    #3770
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Barely There wrote: »
    Not paying is not an option if we, as a society, want drinkable water delivered to our taps.

    Only the method of payment is up for debate.

    Everyone to pay or just PAYE workers.

    Sigh. Everyone pays for it already.


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    #3771
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    TheChizler wrote: »
    Huh? How does that imply they won't be useful for detecting leaks? If everything in the house is off and the meter is still spinning you've got a leak somewhere. Equally if the sum of all the meter readings in a neighbourhood is less than the value at meter at the distribution node for that neighbourhood you know at what stage in the supply the leak is.

    My local council tested some & you may aswell have used magic beans to detect a leak.


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    #3772
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Sigh. Everyone pays for it already.

    No they don't. Only people who earn money do.


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    #3773
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Tony EH wrote: »
    I not against metering in principle, so long as the meters record ONLY what the users uses in regards of water and the cost doesn't include other bull****, like perks and outrageous bonuses for doing fück all.

    That's all that meters do record.


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    #3774
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Not sure what your point is, but non domestic users already pay...

    In theory.
    In practice around 50% of the annual non domestic water usage bill remains unpaid.

    The E200 million should be closer to E400 million.

    http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/LocalGovernment/AuditService/FileDownLoad,32617,en.pdf


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    #3775
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭shinzon


    So you have no answer and basically return to saying people don't care about the people who need support from the Social Welfare system.

    I assumed this answered your question
    shinzon wrote: »
    people are managing there finances as best they can under there particular circumstances, not everyone has the luxury to pay everything with shedloads of money
    Shin



    Shin


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    #3776
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    You got it in one.
    There's hope for us all.

    Why don't you report this to the relevant authorities if you believe there's been an illegal misappropriation of tax funds?


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    #3777
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Barely There wrote: »
    Ahh - it's the 'why can't someone else pay for it' argument so beloved of the Shinners and the other Looney Left Parties

    Ya let's go back to Fianna fail!

    Who paid for the bail out of there mates in the Galway tent again?

    Give me a ****ing break!


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    #3778
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Hired thugs in action

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN6c2AZ7ES8&feature=player_embedded


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    #3779
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,017 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    So if the status quo remained, users not charged directly, you will still be out there manning the barricades?

    As long as Irish Water exists I'll be in protest.

    I want to see that company dead.


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    #3780
    Daith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭Daith


    Tony EH wrote: »
    As long as Irish Water exists I'll be in protest.

    I want to see that company dead.

    And what do you want instead of it?


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    #3781
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    No they don't. Only people who earn money do.

    You do realise that when you buy stuff there's this thing called tax on it, diesel, cigs, food etc.. It doesn't matter if you work or not you pay, please tell me you realise this :confused:


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