**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

tayto lover

basillarkin wrote: »

Didn't make the headlines in the six one news

Obviously told not to report it.
Was on TV3 News.

basillarkin

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

basillarkin wrote: »

Didn't make the headlines in the six one news

No but it was included in a later segment. Said 100 protesters from Right 2 Water were there.

gladrags

I do not want to pay for water in any way

List of people Enda has confidence in,in no particular order.

James Reilly-Alan Shatter-John McNulty-Phil Hogan-John Tierney-Balotelli-The Mayo football team-Nidge

The list is endless.

renegademaster

Deleted User wrote: »

No but it was included in a later segment. Said 100 protesters from Right 2 Water were there.

there was and we gave it to him big time when he was heading in, i'll put up links to decent camera angle videos when edna arrived!

tayto lover wrote: »

Huge vociferous crowd greeted Enda in Galway today in the rain.
These protests are not going away.

he heard and felt us today!!

renegademaster

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

renegademaster wrote: »

there was and we gave it to him big time when he was heading in, i'll put up links to decent camera angle videos when edna arrived!



he heard and felt us today!!

I take it you were there renegademaster? Well done, the protest needs to be directed at government officials, wherever they may be and to stay as a top news story.

Phoebas

tayto lover wrote: »

Huge vociferous crowd greeted Enda in Galway today in the rain.
These protests are not going away.

100 people is 'huge' now!

tayto lover wrote: »

Obviously told not to report it.

You can't honestly believe that RTE were told not to report a protest.
If that was true, somebody in RTE is going to be in trouble for reporting it

Banjo String

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Phoebas wrote: »

100 people is 'huge' now!

Didn't see many there who were in support of the charges, Lord knows Enda could do with the moral support.

Phoebas wrote: »

You can't honestly believe that RTE were told not to report a protest.
If that was true, somebody in RTE is going to be in trouble for reporting it

Its not like the press in this country get told what to write from time to time.......

masculinist

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Phoebas wrote: »

You can't honestly believe that RTE were told not to report a protest.
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Why is that so hard to believe ? We learned about the arrival of the IMF and the bail out of banks not from RTE but from the BBC. On one of the most important days in Irish history , RTE had obviously taken some lessons from North Korea and was showing some propaganda clip about a successful potato farmer proving we have a successful debt free export oriented economy so dont panic - all is well praise our dear leaders . If I see successful farmers on RTE now , I start stocking up on food because I suspect a massive famine is about to arrive. Thats how little credibility they have. RTE have never been independent. Gay Byrne in his bio or whatever told how he was informed by RTE top brass that if he shaked Gerry Adams hand he would be sacked immediately. So when Adams appeared on the Late Late Show his handshake was declined. What effect this had on the peace process I do not know. I do know the peace process did receive a lot of obstruction from unlikely sources. I dont say this to support anyones politics but to show that freedom to produce what you want on your own show has not traditionally existed.

Phoebas

masculinist wrote: »

Why is that so hard to believe ?

The fact that they did report it was the main thing that raised the red flag for me.

Satriale

I would like Irish Water as a company to be restructured

renegademaster wrote: »

there was and we gave it to him big time when he was heading in, i'll put up links to decent camera angle videos when edna arrived!



he heard and felt us today!!

Good on ye Renegade, 100 protestors is better than 1000 lick@rses.

Phoebas

Banjo String wrote: »

Didn't see many there who were in support of the charges, Lord knows Enda could do with the moral support.

The people inside the building support water charges - the people outside are against.

Irish Steve

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

I applaud 100 people turning out to give Enda a hard time, he deserves it for all of the insincerity we've had to put up with since he got his hands on the power keys.

I'd still prefer to have a 1 to 1 with him if it was even possible, to try and get a real feel for what he stands for, and where he draws the line, but I suspect my chances of that happening are less than zero, he's not going to be prepared to meet me any time soon, regardless of how good or bad my case might be.

So, the only avenue that's open to us is to make as big a pain of ourselves as we can to the rest of his organisation, by lobbying, picketing, writing or e-mailing, and doing anything else we can to get their attention, there has to come a point where they will begin to understand just how strongly people are stirred up about the direction they are taking.

masculinist

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Phoebas wrote: »

The fact that they did report it was the main thing that raised the red flag for me.

Irrelevant if you want to choose one example of a stopped clock telling the correct time over a 24 hour period. RTE is Pravda. It is inherently flawed and corrupt. It is not fit for purpose in a Republic.

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Irish Steve wrote: »

I applaud 100 people turning out to give Enda a hard time, he deserves it for all of the insincerity we've had to put up with since he got his hands on the power keys.

I'd still prefer to have a 1 to 1 with him if it was even possible, to try and get a real feel for what he stands for, and where he draws the line, but I suspect my chances of that happening are less than zero, he's not going to be prepared to meet me any time soon, regardless of how good or bad my case might be.

So, the only avenue that's open to us is to make as big a pain of ourselves as we can to the rest of his organisation, by lobbying, picketing, writing or e-mailing, and doing anything else we can to get their attention, there has to come a point where they will begin to understand just how strongly people are stirred up about the direction they are taking.

Maybe a brown envelope would help Steve?

How did you get on with you email to his office? Did you send it ?

Any reply?

tayto lover

Phoebas wrote: »

The fact that they did report it was the main thing that raised the red flag for me.

I watched the first 10 minutes of the SixOne News and it wasn't on. They were the headlines. RTE must have pushed it down the list BUT if anyone threw an egg at Enda's car it would have been the first item shown.

Funny how it works.

Phoebas

tayto lover wrote: »

Funny how it works.

"Minor news story doesn't make headline news shocker."

tayto lover

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

tayto lover wrote: »

I watched the first 10 minutes of the SixOne News and it wasn't on. They were the headlines. RTE must have pushed it down the list BUT if anyone threw an egg at Enda's car it would have been the first item shown.

Funny how it works.

100 people shouting insults isn't headline news. Sorry if that doesn't suit you, but thats life!

tayto lover

Deleted User wrote: »

100 people shouting insults isn't headline news. Sorry if that doesn't suit you, but thats life!

BUT it was first item on TV3. Odd that.

Irish Steve

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

Stargate wrote: »

Maybe a brown envelope would help Steve?

How did you get on with you email to his office? Did you send it ?

Any reply?

Brown Envelope would be easy, having anything to PUT in said brown envelope is another issue altogether, even if I was willing to stoop to their level, which I'm not.

Letter, it went at the same time as I posted the copy here, and copies to the two FG TD's and the FG local councillors on Meath CC.

Has a reply earlier from one of the local councillors, and he's clearly not happy about the way that the party is dealing with the water issue, and he's even less impressed with the cronies from the LA's being stuffed in to IW, and has said so. No other replies yet, which I'm not exactly surprised about.

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

tayto lover wrote: »

BUT it was first item on TV3. Odd that.

How much money does tv3 get from the license fee?
How much does RTE get?

Stargate

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Irish Steve wrote: »

Brown Envelope would be easy, having anything to PUT in said brown envelope is another issue altogether, even if I was willing to stoop to their level, which I'm not.

Letter, it went at the same time as I posted the copy here, and copies to the two FG TD's and the FG local councillors on Meath CC.

Has a reply earlier from one of the local councillors, and he's clearly not happy about the way that the party is dealing with the water issue, and he's even less impressed with the cronies from the LA's being stuffed in to IW, and has said so. No other replies yet, which I'm not exactly surprised about.

Fair play Steve !!

From reading your posts i can tell how frustrated you are. Glad to see you here contributing to this ! The pen is mightier than the sword . Overall ALL the protests have been peaceful and i will be delighted if they stay that way.

Change has to come , the country cannot continue to be run in the way it has been that's for sure.

cajonlardo

Phoebas wrote: »

"Minor news story doesn't make headline news shocker."

Deleted User wrote: »

100 people shouting insults isn't headline news. Sorry if that doesn't suit you, but thats life!

Why?

Because they were behaving peacefully?

Yet, if a single protester falls against a meter installer you lot have a mickey fit and kill yourselves to find an adjective to outdo the other.

cajonlardo

I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth

cajonlardo wrote: »

Why?

Because they were behaving peacefully?

Yet, if a single protester falls against a meter installer you lot have a mickey fit and kill yourselves to find an adjective to outdo the other.

We must have been looking at different News reports! I thought it either very brave or very foolish of Endas minders to let him get so close to the protesters.

Creative Juices

I feel strange these days. For years I was both sickened and angered by what successive governments were doing to this country. Revelation after revelation about cronyism, corruption, dishonesty and injustice disgusted me and I wondered why we the people put up with it. But I am different now. The anger is gone. I am now driven and determined. I am enthusiastic that we have turned a corner and that huge change is on the way. I hope I am right.

listermint

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Sligo, Cavan, Westmeath, Galway, Wicklow and it appears South Dublin County council have passed motions of no confidence in Irish water and abolishment of water charges.


Wheels are well and truly buckled on the wagon. Stinging indictment of how these are viewed across the country

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

listermint wrote: »

Sligo, Cavan, Westmeath, Galway, Wicklow and it appears South Dublin County council have passed motions of no confidence in Irish water and abolishment of water charges.


Wheels are well and truly buckled on the wagon. Stinging indictment of how these are viewed across the country

29 councillors in Wicklow.
23 voted to abolish IW.
6 voted to keep IW, all FG.

And posters on this site continually tell us that Sinn Fein are a party ran with an iron fist.
That's funny, really funny.
Gaelers obviously seen what happened Creighton when she went against the party line and are too afraid of their own sh*te to do the right thing.

the groutch

listermint wrote: »

Sligo, Cavan, Westmeath, Galway, Wicklow and it appears South Dublin County council have passed motions of no confidence in Irish water and abolishment of water charges.

You forgot about Leitrim, although you woudn't be the first person to do that :pac:

Ace2007

Creative Juices wrote: »

I feel strange these days. For years I was both sickened and angered by what successive governments were doing to this country. Revelation after revelation about cronyism, corruption, dishonesty and injustice disgusted me and I wondered why we the people put up with it. But I am different now. The anger is gone. I am now driven and determined. I am enthusiastic that we have turned a corner and that huge change is on the way. I hope I am right.

I have no idea what your view is on the water, i.e. whether you believe it should be free for all, or the rich should pay, increases taxes, or whatever.

The thing is though - even the politicians' not in government all have a very different idea of what should be done exactly.

richard boyd barrett stated on rte one night that he believe that we should pay in some form, just not what is being proposed.

We have people saying they can't afford to pay - that's different from being against the idea - i.e. if they could afford it they would pay.

There have been other independent politicians who have said people should pay for their water.

This big idea that change is around the corner is false - for if you listen carefully to the wording of those against it

for example sine Fein

McDonald explained that Sinn Féín wasn’t proposing that Irish Water as an entity be scrapped. It would, instead be funded from elsewhere in the tax system.

This does not sound like a party who want to get rid of it. Right2water campaign state that the water should be free for all regardless of income or wealth - which is not the view of Sine Fein, nor the view of several independents, nor the view of boyd barrett.

The idea that 150,000 took to the street to protest against water is again false - it was an accumulation of angry over numerous issues about this government.

So what will happen if people vote against the FG/FF/Labour - you'll end up with a wide range of independents/Sinn Fein who won't actually agree on this issue or others - and we'll be still paying for the water in some shape or form

Tinkersbell

I do not want to pay for water in any way

Ace2007 wrote: »

I have no idea what your view is on the water, i.e. whether you believe it should be free for all, or the rich should pay, increases taxes, or whatever.

The thing is though - even the politicians' not in government all have a very different idea of what should be done exactly.

richard boyd barrett stated on rte one night that he believe that we should pay in some form, just not what is being proposed.

We have people saying they can't afford to pay - that's different from being against the idea - i.e. if they could afford it they would pay.

There have been other independent politicians who have said people should pay for their water.

This big idea that change is around the corner is false - for if you listen carefully to the wording of those against it

for example sine Fein



This does not sound like a party who want to get rid of it. Right2water campaign state that the water should be free for all regardless of income or wealth - which is not the view of Sine Fein, nor the view of several independents, nor the view of boyd barrett.

The idea that 150,000 took to the street to protest against water is again false - it was an accumulation of angry over numerous issues about this government.

So what will happen if people vote against the FG/FF/Labour - you'll end up with a wide range of independents/Sinn Fein who won't actually agree on this issue or others - and we'll be still paying for the water in some shape or form

We pay for it as it is.
It's not free.

Ace2007

Tinkersbell wrote: »

We pay for it as it is.
It's not free.

But who exactly pays for it?

If for example you say we pay for it in our taxes, does this mean those who pay more tax pay bigger proportion and those who pay no tax don't pay at all?

That does not agree with the Right2Water campaign - free for all - regardless of wealth or income