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**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

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  • #62
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    I think the only thing this government can do is to call a general election and allow the people be the judge of their lies and their cronyism.
    That would take guts so I can't see them doing it anytime soon.
    Like the previous government they'll hang on until the pressure is unbearable, all the time getting their crony mates cushy positions on state boards etc.
    This country has been corrupted by the dodgy dealings of the establishment party's and whoever their lapdogs were at the time.
    It's a disgrace and anyone who continues to support these gombeens should hang their heads in shame.
    The real question is where do we go from here?

    Do you want two elections?


  • #63
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Do you want two elections?

    Why?


  • #64
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    knarkypants wrote: »
    I'm more worried about this tbh. :pac:

    I don't believe the bit about Santy. But there is a precedent for income tax increases to substitute for other revenue forgone. PAYE rates went up to 60% following the decision in 1977 to fund everything from direct taxation. This led to the PAYE marches, where people power forced the government to reduce them again. This stuff goes round in cycles.


  • #65
    Stargate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    I'm hearing Sligo Co Council have voted in favour of abolishing the water charges , anyone else hear this ?


  • #66
    Creative Juices
    Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Creative Juices


    Stargate wrote: »
    I'm hearing Sligo Co Council have voted in favour of abolishing the water charges , anyone else hear this ?

    Irony can be pretty ironic Hubert Kearns...


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  • #67
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Stargate wrote: »
    I'm hearing Sligo Co Council have voted in favour of abolishing the water charges , anyone else hear this ?

    yup they have

    http://oceanfm.ie/2014/11/03/sligo-county-council-pass-motion-to-abolish-water-charges/

    Shin


  • #68
    jonon9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭jonon9


    Just think about it. It will be on Reeling In The Years in 50 years time


  • #69
    Creative Juices
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  • #70
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Anyone see the Labour Party's twitter page today?

    There's pathetic and then there's that!

    https://twitter.com/labour

    Roll on election time.. can't wait to see them wiped out.

    Taking a page out of the Elaine Higgins play book........... which blew up in her face..... http://www.thejournal.ie/luke-ming-flanagan-lorraine-higgins-twitter-facebook-post-turkey-1453665-May2014/


  • #71
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    more back tracking

    http://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-joan-burton-relationship-1765377-Nov2014/


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  • #72
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,927 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    Why?

    Because we wont get a workable government right now, it will be similar to greece a few year's ago where nobody can form one OR it will be made up of SF and independents and fall apart within the year as they tear each other to shred's


  • #73
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,927 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    shinzon wrote: »
    yup they have

    http://oceanfm.ie/2014/11/03/sligo-county-council-pass-motion-to-abolish-water-charges/

    Shin

    Absolutely ridiculous considering they had boil water notices how long ago? They want potable water in the next 10 year's they need water charges and not populism


  • #74
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Absolutely ridiculous considering they had boil water notices how long ago? They want potable water in the next 10 year's they need water charges and not populism

    It is just an exercise in trying to outdo each other in who is the most anti everything. There are only 3 FG and no Labour out of 18 so the rest of them have to try to keep their electorate sweet. Even so I expect Micheal Martin will be surprised to learn that his councillors in Sligo say that the party is opposed to water charges.


  • #75
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    It seems to me that politicians all over the country are being forced to listen to what the people who elected them are telling them.
    Not before time.


  • #76
    Razleavy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Razleavy


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Absolutely ridiculous considering they had boil water notices how long ago? They want potable water in the next 10 year's they need water charges and not populism

    I have never seen a boil water notice here in Sligo.


  • #77
    Creative Juices
    Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Creative Juices


    Razleavy wrote: »
    I have never seen a boil water notice here in Sligo.

    Jaysus that TV3 programme was edited very badly. Too many dopey Dubs for a start!


  • #78
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,548 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Stargate wrote: »
    I'm hearing Sligo Co Council have voted in favour of abolishing the water charges , anyone else hear this ?
    Ignoring the fact that doing that isn't actually within their power, ditto for Dublin CC voting to ban fluoride.


  • #79
    gladrags
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    It seems to me that politicians all over the country are being forced to listen to what the people who elected them are telling them.
    Not before time.

    Its called democracy,could well be followed by other CC's.

    Open air chaos at the moment,you reap what you sow.


  • #80
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Just going back to Enda's calculation. It may or may not hold water (pun intended) now but it will certainly be necessary in the future. Where we will have only two workers to every retired person, instead of the present five or six. The older section of society is where the bulk of wealth will reside. Much of the wealth will be tied up in investments which will only make their way into the economy when they die. With one in five alive now likely to live to over 100 this is a financial time bomb. Workers are getting a really raw deal now having to pay for everyone else but this is going to get much worse.


  • #81
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    gladrags wrote: »
    Its called democracy,could well be followed by other CC's.

    Open air chaos at the moment,you reap what you sow.

    I would have thought that listening to what your electorate tells you is a proper use of the democratic process.
    All I can see here is the 'populist' and 'lefty' words being thrown around by a few posters.
    Some TD's have changed their position after listening to the people and seeing the various protests and marches.
    That, to me, is proper use of the democratic process.
    We don't live in a dictatorship, where the will of one (or of four) is the be all and end all, as far as I know.


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  • #82
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,927 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    It seems to me that politicians all over the country are being forced to listen to what the people who elected them are telling them.
    Not before time.

    Just cus the voter's want it does not mean it is the best interests of the country. Pretty sure nobody want's to pay taxes but you don't see the government stopping income tax.

    Basically if a child asks you to have ice cream for every meal are you gonna let them?


  • #83
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    VinLieger wrote: »
    Just cus the voter's want it does not mean it is the best interests of the country. Pretty sure nobody want's to pay taxes but you don't see the government stopping income tax.

    Basically if a child asks you to have ice cream for every meal are you gonna let them?

    Are you calling the voters of this country children?
    Also, why would the government be 'stopping income tax'?


  • #84
    twowheelsgood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭twowheelsgood


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    Also, why would the government be 'stopping income tax'?
    That is kinda what Bertie's government did do. The had us relying to an insane level on property related taxes. And that didn't end terribly well, did it?


  • #85
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,927 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    Are you calling the voters of this country children?
    Also, why would the government be 'stopping income tax'?

    In this case yes I am, the vast majority of people complaining about paying for water haven't a fvcking clue about how much their water actually cost's.

    They won't be stopping income tax because the country requires it to run just like we need water charges that will be based on how much you use to maintain and invest in the future of our water infrastructure which currently loses 40% of everything pumped through it. If we don't start putting more into it that's only going to get worse until the entire country is on boil water notices and not just isolated parts of the country.


  • #86
    moxin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    VinLieger wrote: »
    In this case yes I am, the vast majority of people complaining about paying for water haven't a fvcking clue about how much their water actually cost's.
    .

    Was it 200m euro on consultants and legal? 500m on water meter installations. 700m right there to fix leaks FIRST.


  • #87
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    VinLieger wrote: »
    In this case yes I am, the vast majority of people complaining about paying for water haven't a fvcking clue about how much their water actually cost's.

    They won't be stopping income tax because the country requires it to run just like we need water charges that will be based on how much you use to maintain and invest in the future of our water infrastructure which currently loses 40% of everything pumped through it. If we don't start putting more into it that's only going to get worse until the entire country is on boil water notices and not just isolated parts of the country.

    Fix the leaks so we're not losing 40% and I'll start paying a water tax.
    Until then, no chance.


  • #88
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    moxin wrote: »
    Was it 200m euro on consultants and legal? 500m on water meter installations. 700m right there to fix leaks FIRST.

    Sure that would be the sensible thing to do.
    Not in Ireland though.


  • #89
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,927 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    moxin wrote: »
    Was it 200m euro on consultants and legal? 500m on water meter installations. 700m right there to fix leaks FIRST.

    Did I say IW was right in this thread or anywhere in the last thread? No I didn't. Yeah it's a shambles but the majority of people protesting it imo are doing so not because of any the corruption that's been highlighted thats just a handy banner to hide behind while they just don't want to pay for water based on how much they use.


  • #90
    gladrags
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    I would have thought that listening to what your electorate tells you is a proper use of the democratic process.
    All I can see here is the 'populist' and 'lefty' words being thrown around by a few posters.
    Some TD's have changed their position after listening to the people and seeing the various protests and marches.
    That, to me, is proper use of the democratic process.
    We don't live in a dictatorship, where the will of one (or of four) is the be all and end all, as far as I know.

    Spot on,listening to the electorate is the first principle,and always should be.

    Any government that moves from that principle,does not represent the electorate,and ceases to be representative.

    This is why people revolt,whether left or right.

    This present crowd,have defied the electorate,and they never had a majority.

    Water charge or no water charge,they are corrupt,fundamentally.


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  • #91
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,927 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    Fix the leaks so we're not losing 40% and I'll start paying a water tax.
    Until then, no chance.

    With what money? The magical money tree called "taxing rich people" the populist's in SF and AAA believe in?

    We are in debt still and are barely breaking even with budget's and that's with a reduction across the board for everyone who pays income tax.

    We need to pay for water to fix the leaks and invest refusing to believe this fact won't make it go away like the politicians you listen would have you believe


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