FAT, SICK & NEARLY DEAD

Brown Bomber

This eye-opening documentary follows an overweight Australian man who is suffering from a rare immune disease which results in him breaking out in painful rashes all over his body. For years medicine and doctors have failed him and his suffering goes unabated despite him taking lots of tablets every day. In desperation he tries to heal himself, or more specifically allow his body to heal itself. He does this by cutting out the tablets and only allowing himself fresh fruit and vegatables for 60 days.


This is his story:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o0pSnp0Xs8


The CT is the rush to proscribe money-spinning medications when the body is better able to treat itself.

jh79

Brown Bomber wrote: »

This eye-opening documentary follows an overweight Australian man who is suffering from a rare immune disease which results in him breaking out in painful rashes all over his body. For years medicine and doctors have failed him and his suffering goes unabated despite him taking lots of tablets every day. In desperation he tries to heal himself, or more specifically allow his body to heal itself. He does this by cutting out the tablets and only allowing himself fresh fruit and vegatables for 60 days.


This is his story:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o0pSnp0Xs8


The CT is the rush to proscribe money-spinning medications when the body is better able to treat itself.

I'm sure the first thing he was advised to do by his doctor was lose weight seeing as diet is a risk factor in a myriad of conditions. Obesity is bad for your health shocker!

If the body is better able to treat itself why do people die from various illnesses eg cancer or HIV or take your pick without some form of medical intervention?

From a quick google he is an advocate of the completely unnecessary "juicing" , wonder if he was sponsored by any kitchen appliance firms (update : sponsored by Breville it seems)? More QVC than a doc.

jh79

It seems that there is nothing too controversial in this movie (see link). In summary a healthy diet leads to a healthier person, hardly groundbreaking.

http://thehealthydoc.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/fat-sick-and-nearly-dead-review.html

With regards to Brown Bombers conspiracy theory,

While all three of the people profiled in this documentary had major medical problems that are not understood by modern medicine: migraines & auto-immune disorders. I definitely think a healthy lifestyle is a way to keep these problems under control and that weight loss is going to help regulate the way your body responds to stimuli, but I don't think a juice fast is the only way to do it.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000816.htm

http://www.migrainetrust.org/health-professionals/managing-migraine

Medication is promoted as an option to treat the symptoms of these illnesses but not as the only option. It is ultimately up to the patient , if they are not willing to change their lifestyles or spend time finding their triggers then medication is the only option. Also as the triggers are unknown , medication may be the best option for some.

This film doesn't support the conspiracy as diet is flagged as an influencing factor in these illnesses by health practitioners.

Zombienosh

It wasn't really magic or anything, 3 people with the most unhealthy lifestyles and diets change their lifestyle and juice more fruits/vegetables than they have ever seen in their life, of course there are going to be benefits.

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

I'm sure the first thing he was advised to do by his doctor was lose weight seeing as diet is a risk factor in a myriad of conditions. Obesity is bad for your health shocker!

If the body is better able to treat itself why do people die from various illnesses eg cancer or HIV or take your pick without some form of medical intervention?

From a quick google he is an advocate of the completely unnecessary "juicing" , wonder if he was sponsored by any kitchen appliance firms (update : sponsored by Breville it seems)? More QVC than a doc.

???


1. People die from HIV and cancer WITH medical intervention.
2. "From a quick google he is an advocate of the completely unnecessary "juicing"


FFS lad, that is precisely what the entirety of the documentary about. We could have a more informed discussion if you watched it instead of having "quick googles".


3. This unverified claim of sponsorship by you, is this what made his condition go away?


4. I've only ever been to the doctors before if I needed a sick note for work or needed to take a medical for a job. Not once have any doctors ever talked to me about diet. They talk to me for a few disinterested minutes and then write up a prescription and then take my 50 notes. My GP died when I was about 14, I never had much use for them so I've drifted between doctors in that time and they are all the same.


How are you sleeping?
Oh, not always so well".
Here, take these magic pills even though you don't need them, they have side effects and you can become addicted to them"
Ok, thanks.
Don't forget to pay me as you leave. Speak with the receptionist and we can talk again in 3 weeks and you can pay me for nothing again and I'll give you some more drugs.


Luckily for me, I have never taken their chemicals and don't keep the appointment.

jh79

Brown Bomber wrote: »

???


1. People die from HIV and cancer WITH medical intervention.
2. "From a quick google he is an advocate of the completely unnecessary "juicing"


FFS lad, that is precisely what the entirety of the documentary about. We could have a more informed discussion if you watched it instead of having "quick googles".


3. This unverified claim of sponsorship by you, is this what made his condition go away?


4. I've only ever been to the doctors before if I needed a sick note for work or needed to take a medical for a job. Not once have any doctors ever talked to me about diet. They talk to me for a few disinterested minutes and then write up a prescription and then take my 50 notes. My GP died when I was about 14, I never had much use for them so I've drifted between doctors in that time and they are all the same.


How are you sleeping?
Oh, not always so well".
Here, take these magic pills even though you don't need them, they have side effects and you can become addicted to them"
Ok, thanks.
Don't forget to pay me as you leave. Speak with the receptionist and we can talk again in 3 weeks and you can pay me for nothing again and I'll give you some more drugs.


Luckily for me, I have never taken their chemicals and don't keep the appointment.

How does the film promote or support your conspiracy? And do we really need to watch a film to know that fruit and veg are good for you??

http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/why-breville/

Rory28

illuminati confirmed. They were in the fruit all along...

Brown Bomber

Rory28 wrote: »

illuminati confirmed. They were in the fruit all along...

Insightful. Thanks for the comment.

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

How does the film promote or support your conspiracy?

I'm not interested in discussing a film with you that you refuse to watch.

jh79 wrote: »

And do we really need to watch a film to know that fruit and veg are good for you??

http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/why-breville/

What is your point here? Is it supposed to support your claim that he was sponsored? And by that you mean to make the documentary? It doesn't.

jh79

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I'm not interested in discussing a film with you that you refuse to watch.



What is your point here? Is it supposed to support your claim that he was sponsored? And by that you mean to make the documentary? It doesn't.

It is a film about some obese people who cured themselves of obseity related illnesses by losing weight? Illnesses that medicine can be used to manage symptoms only. Where is the conspiracy?

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

It is a film about some obese people who cured themselves of obseity related illnesses by losing weight? Illnesses that medicine can be used to manage symptoms only. Where is the conspiracy?

I don't mean you any offense, I appreciate your politeness but I am only interested in discussing the documentary with people with an open mind. I linked to the video for us to discuss. However, you have ignored it and instead began to look up links for hidden agendas. This, to me, is not the way to have an open and honest conversation.

jh79

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I don't mean you any offense, I appreciate your politeness but I am only interested in discussing the documentary with people with an open mind. I linked to the video for us to discuss. However, you have ignored it and instead began to look up links for hidden agendas. This, to me, is not the way to have an open and honest conversation.

Fair enough so, I thought it might be another ridiculous effort like food matters but from what I've read it just seems to be the reverse of super size me.

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

Fair enough so, I thought it might be another ridiculous effort like food matters but from what I've read it just seems to be the reverse of super size me.

Just watch it ... form a proper opinion after watching it

jh79

weisses wrote: »

Just watch it ... form a proper opinion after watching it

Watching at the moment, 1 hour in.

weisses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtgpbB0xQ_c

And we have the sequel coming

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

Watching at the moment, 1 hour in.

Must be good to keep you interested for an hour making notes ?

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

Where is the conspiracy?

cormie

jh79 wrote: »

If the body is better able to treat itself why do people die from various illnesses eg cancer or HIV or take your pick without some form of medical intervention?

People subject themselves to a myriad of factors that contribute to disease; diet, environment, lifestyle etc. If none of these factors are improved upon, the disease will just get worse for the same reasons it developed in the first place. If these factors are addressed and greatly improved upon, it can see the disease being fought off amongst many other positive changes. Medication generally only addresses the issue at hand with sometimes huge potential to cause other ailments, without even looking into the route causes and thus a disease prone body is still disease prone.

jh79

weisses wrote: »

Must be good to keep you interested for an hour making notes ?

Finding it boring tbh and the cartoons a bit childish, don't see how it supports brown bombers proposed conspiracy. The meds they take are to alleviate the symptoms of their obesity / diet based illnesses, they continue on the meds until they cease being obese or remove their triggers and obviously don't need the meds anymore.

In fairness a balanced normal diet would achieve the same results.

jh79

Thought this film would really annoy me with plenty of pseudo science that would rile me, in truth it was the complete opposite, it is so boring and has absolutely nothing of interest in it.

jh79

weisses wrote: »

Without doubt it's purpose.

jh79

jh79 wrote: »

It seems that there is nothing too controversial in this movie (see link). In summary a healthy diet leads to a healthier person, hardly groundbreaking.

http://thehealthydoc.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/fat-sick-and-nearly-dead-review.html

With regards to Brown Bombers conspiracy theory,

While all three of the people profiled in this documentary had major medical problems that are not understood by modern medicine: migraines & auto-immune disorders. I definitely think a healthy lifestyle is a way to keep these problems under control and that weight loss is going to help regulate the way your body responds to stimuli, but I don't think a juice fast is the only way to do it.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000816.htm

http://www.migrainetrust.org/health-professionals/managing-migraine

Medication is promoted as an option to treat the symptoms of these illnesses but not as the only option. It is ultimately up to the patient , if they are not willing to change their lifestyles or spend time finding their triggers then medication is the only option. Also as the triggers are unknown , medication may be the best option for some.

This film doesn't support the conspiracy as diet is flagged as an influencing factor in these illnesses by health practitioners.

Posted this before watching this and still stand by it, waste of 90 minutes.

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

Finding it boring tbh and the cartoons a bit childish, don't see how it supports brown bombers proposed conspiracy. The meds they take are to alleviate the symptoms of their obesity / diet based illnesses, they continue on the meds until they cease being obese or remove their triggers and obviously don't need the meds anymore.

In fairness a balanced normal diet would achieve the same results.

The woman with migraines wasn't obese. Her body ccured itself without costly chemicals.


Now look at all the chemicals the Mayo Clinic would have you put into your system
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/migraine-headache/basics/treatment/con-20026358


Also, please stop saying the the Australian man's condition was related to his obesity. You have no reason for doing so.

jh79

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The woman with migraines wasn't obese. Her body ccured itself without costly chemicals.


Now look at all the chemicals the Mayo Clinic would have you put into your system
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/migraine-headache/basics/treatment/con-20026358


Also, please stop saying the the Australian man's condition was related to his obesity. You have no reason for doing so.

Nobody was "cured" of anything they all still have auto-immune conditions. All they did was remove the triggers from their diets thereby removing their need for medication.

jh79

All the film claims is that fruit and veg are good for you, juicing is a good way of introducing fruit and veg into your diet. Obesity (obese people tend to make poor food choices and are more likely to encounter triggers for hives etc) is bad for you and if you lose weight you will obviously suffer less from obesity related illnesses and thereby reduce your need for certain medications. Nothing controversial at all.

His whole "rebooting" spiel sounds like the pseudoscience that is detox, and I'm not familiar with the whole paelo diet thing but it didn't sound too out there to me.

I don't think his incorrect use of the word cure was intentional either

degrassinoel

OSI wrote: »

Ah, I see. So I should come off my anti-epileptics and start juicing instead. Gotcha. I'll let you know how that goes.

Sarcasm aside, I have to refer you to our charter OSI, from what i gather the CT here is based around obesity, not epilepsy.

Please keep that in mind while posting here.

LeinsterDub

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I don't mean you any offense, I appreciate your politeness but I am only interested in discussing the documentary with people with an open mind. I linked to the video for us to discuss. However, you have ignored it and instead began to look up links for hidden agendas. This, to me, is not the way to have an open and honest conversation.

Yeah , how dear they that's your modus operandi

Arbiter of Good Taste

I saw the film, loved it, thought it was great, etc, etc. Already had a juicer, so halfway there....

Spent over €100 on fruit and veg and lasted two days. Was nauseous, sluggish, exhausted (did it over a weekend and barely got out of bed the second day) irritable, headachy and downright miserable.

For an ordinary person looking to lose some weight, maybe replacing one meal a day, for a period of time, with a juice might provide a good kick start, but juicing consistently for 3-,7-,10+ days is just another gimmick that will go the way of Atkins, etc.

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

All the film claims is that fruit and veg are good for you, juicing is a good way of introducing fruit and veg into your diet. Obesity (obese people tend to make poor food choices and are more likely to encounter triggers for hives etc) is bad for you and if you lose weight you will obviously suffer less from obesity related illnesses and thereby reduce your need for certain medications. Nothing controversial at all.

His whole "rebooting" spiel sounds like the pseudoscience that is detox, and I'm not familiar with the whole paelo diet thing but it didn't sound too out there to me.

I don't think his incorrect use of the word cure was intentional either

He didn't have hives, he had chronic hives. Please provide evidence this is an "obesity-related illness" or stop claiming it.

Brown Bomber

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Yeah , how dear they that's your modus operandi

??? Freudian slip???

degrassinoel

Stay on topic please Gents.

cormie

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

I saw the film, loved it, thought it was great, etc, etc. Already had a juicer, so halfway there....

Spent over €100 on fruit and veg and lasted two days. Was nauseous, sluggish, exhausted (did it over a weekend and barely got out of bed the second day) irritable, headachy and downright miserable.

For an ordinary person looking to lose some weight, maybe replacing one meal a day, for a period of time, with a juice might provide a good kick start, but juicing consistently for 3-,7-,10+ days is just another gimmick that will go the way of Atkins, etc.

Your reaction could be a case of detoxification. You can't really compare juicing to the likes of Atkins. It would probably be worth looking into it and for advice on guides before going full at it. I don't know enough about it myself but have heard many great things about the benefits.

Arbiter of Good Taste

cormie wrote: »

Your reaction could be a case of detoxification. You can't really compare juicing to the likes of Atkins. It would probably be worth looking into it and for advice on guides before going full at it. I don't know enough about it myself but have heard many great things about the benefits.

I did do quite a bit of research before I launched into it so I did expect a certain reaction, but not half as bad as it actually was. It really wasn't for me - or I would venture to say for anyone who has to perform at a full time job.

cormie

Maybe it just wasn't the right timing for you and the combination of detoxification etc threw you completely off? I'd love to be able to give it a proper go, but I think I'd need to be on some island doing yoga every morning with beautiful weather and relaxing the rest of the day while somebody else was busy making my juices In the mean time, I try and have the odd juice as an addition to my diet. If preparation and cleaning the juicer wasn't such a pain it'd be a lot easier though

Brown Bomber

cormie wrote: »

Maybe it just wasn't the right timing for you and the combination of detoxification etc threw you completely off? I'd love to be able to give it a proper go, but I think I'd need to be on some island doing yoga every morning with beautiful weather and relaxing the rest of the day while somebody else was busy making my juices

for full disclosure, I am on day 7. I am/was none of fat, sick or nearly dead to begin with but I took it on as a personal experiment/challenge, I was curious to see what I could fix that I wasn't aware was wrong with me. I nearly cracked in the first couple of days but I think that was the withdrawl from caffeine. Feeling fantastic right now, sleeping better than ever, just buzzing with energy.

jh79

Brown Bomber wrote: »

He didn't have hives, he had chronic hives. Please provide evidence this is an "obesity-related illness" or stop claiming it.

A large portion of the film consists of him asking obese Americans who do they believe is responsible for their weight, are they happy about it and are they aware of the the health implications.

His is own situation was he was obese with a diet full of known triggers for his illness. His obesity contributed to his illness as it increased his exposure to his triggers. The same with the guy he helped.

Replace obesity with diet based illnesses and the point still remains that nobody was cured by juicing.

jh79

Chronic urticaria tends to come and go. Many people find that certain things make it reappear or make existing symptoms worse. Triggers include:
stress, alcohol , caffeine, warm temperatures, prolonged pressure on the skin – this can happen by wearing tight clothing, medications – such as NSAIDs, and the painkiller codeine, certain food additives – such as salicylates, which are found in tomatoes, orange juice and tea, insect bites and stings
exposure to heat, cold, pressure or water

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Nettle-rash/Pages/Causes.aspx

By fasting he removed the triggers. There was no cure. Obesity increases the exposure to these triggers so it can be described as an obesity related illness.

Many possible migraine triggers have been suggested, including hormonal, emotional, physical, dietary, environmental and medicinal factors.Dietary triggers:
missed, delayed or irregular meals, dehydration, alcohol, the food additive tyramine, caffeine products, such as tea and coffee, specific foods such as chocolate, citrus fruit and cheese

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Migraine/Pages/Causes.aspx

The woman with the migraines was not obese but the fasting removed her exposure to known migraine triggers. She was not cured by juicing.

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

A large portion of the film consists of him asking obese Americans who do they believe is responsible for their weight, are they happy about it and are they aware of the the health implications.

His is own situation was he was obese with a diet full of known triggers for his illness. His obesity contributed to his illness as it increased his exposure to his triggers. The same with the guy he helped.

Replace obesity with diet based illnesses and the point still remains that nobody was cured by juicing.

Can we please try to keep on the level here? I've asked you to provide evidence that chronic hives is obesity related as you seem to be repeating ad-infinitum.


What we do know: He had a condition that years of medication, hospital stays and the whole 9 yards couldn't cure.


cure (kūr)
1. the treatment of any disease, or of a special case.
2. the successful treatment of a disease or wound.
3. a system of treating diseases.
4. a medicine effective in treating a disease.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/cured


He stopped taking the medication and with the aid of a healthy diet his body cured itself. Or where do you disagree?

jh79

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Can we please try to keep on the level here? I've asked you to provide evidence that chronic hives is obesity related as you seem to be repeating ad-infinitum.


What we do know: He had a condition that years of medication, hospital stays and the whole 9 yards couldn't cure.


cure (kūr)
1. the treatment of any disease, or of a special case.
2. the successful treatment of a disease or wound.
3. a system of treating diseases.
4. a medicine effective in treating a disease.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/cured


He stopped taking the medication and with the aid of a healthy diet his body cured itself. Or where do you disagree?

I don't understand why you are so hung up on his condition being obesity related , its not important to the conspiracy you are presenting. So we can move on can we agree that;

The film in general is about poor diet choices, obesity and diet related illnesses.

The three real life examples consisted of two obese men and a woman of normal weight.

Their illness while not necessarily obesity related, they are certainly diet related. Obesity generally evolves from poor food choices which in turn would trigger the immune responses they suffered from.

The went on a fast and removed all triggers from their diet thereby removing the symptoms of their illness negating their need for medicine. They were not cured. Reintroduce the triggers and the symptoms return.

If you had an allergy to cats and drank a juice as the the cat left the room would you consider yourself cured??

Saipanne

Brown Bomber wrote: »

However, you have ignored it and instead began to look up links for hidden agendas.

On the ct forum? Well, I never.

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

I don't understand why you are so hung up on his condition being obesity related , its not important to the conspiracy you are presenting. So we can move on can we agree that;

The film in general is about poor diet choices, obesity and diet related illnesses.

The three real life examples consisted of two obese men and a woman of normal weight.

Their illness while not necessarily obesity related, they are certainly diet related. Obesity generally evolves from poor food choices which in turn would trigger the immune responses they suffered from.

The went on a fast and removed all triggers from their diet thereby removing the symptoms of their illness negating their need for medicine. They were not cured. Reintroduce the triggers and the symptoms return.

If you had an allergy to cats and drank a juice as the the cat left the room would you consider yourself cured??

Strawman.
There is no evidence he was allergic to anything. What exactly was he allergic to which all the tests and skin biopsies and so on couldn't find?

jh79

Could you point out the part of the film where he re-introduced possible triggers to his diet but his juicing regime prevented a flare up?

Or where the woman with migraine was able to enjoy more of known migraine triggers such as caffeine or alcohol because juicing "cured" her?

jh79

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Strawman.
There is no evidence he was allergic to anything. What exactly was he allergic to which all the tests and skin biopsies and so on couldn't find?

Could you answer my next post?

Also there was a cartoon explaining his illness , his body produces histamine when it is not necessary essentially an allergic reaction.

jh79

Urticaria occurs when histamine and other chemicals are released from under the skin's surface, causing the tissues to swell.

Long-term (chronic) urticaria may occur when the body's immune system attacks its own tissues. This is known as an autoimmune reaction.
Antibodies (proteins that usually fight bacteria and viruses) then trigger the release of histamine, resulting in urticaria.

Triggers include:
stress
alcohol
caffeine
warm temperatures
prolonged pressure on the skin – this can happen by wearing tight clothing
medications – such as NSAIDs, and the painkiller codeine
certain food additives – such as salicylates, which are found in tomatoes, orange juice and tea
insect bites and stings
exposure to heat, cold, pressure or water

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Nettle-rash/Pages/Causes.aspx

By going on a fast he removed triggers from his diet, there was no cure shown in the movie.

Brown Bomber

jh79 wrote: »

Could you answer my next post?

Also there was a cartoon explaining his illness , his body produces histamine when it is not necessary essentially an allergic reaction.

I will answer your questions but I want to take this one step at a time and just want to establish a few bases. Correct me if I am wrong.


1) His illness was not "obesity related"
2) You don't actually know if he was allergic to anything, nevermind what.
3) Medicine has failed him.
4) Abandoning medicine and a change of lifestyle cured his disease.

jh79

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I will answer your questions but I want to take this one step at a time and just want to establish a few bases. Correct me if I am wrong.


1) His illness was not "obesity related"
2) You don't actually know if he was allergic to anything, nevermind what.
3) Medicine has failed him.
4) Abandoning medicine and a change of lifestyle cured his disease.

1) OK , it is diet related but his obesity was an aggravating factor as it introduced large quantities of know risk factors into his system such as food additives and alcohol. Stress would be another influencing factor.

2) True , the cause of his illness is rarely found. The use of the word allergy is my untrained interpretation of the medical info i have read. It is also how he explains his illness in the film ie mosquito bite cartoon and release of histamine (reminds me of hay fever). It seems the correct term is "aggravating factor" (EDIT: Allergy may still be appropriate it is still up for debate, the nhs link describes food allergies as a recognized trigger). Doesn't really change anything for our discussion.

3) No it hasn't, his medicine was to manage his condition. He kept taking drugs during the fast.

4) No, changing his lifestyle and reducing his intake of aggravating factors removed the need for medicine. He had UC (and always will) before he began taking the medicine. Diet is a recognized trigger for his illness that is why the conspiracy doesn't work. His poor decisions aggravated his immune system. The drugs were only prescribed to manage the situation.

jh79

I have come across papers that there is no cure for UC and also some that say that diet has an curative effect! Make of that what you will!

At the end of the day the man still has an Auto-immune condition, his body releases histamine when it shouldn't. He will have to avoid his triggers for the rest of his life and in my eyes that means he has not been cured.

jh79

Leaving aside what constitutes a "cure" lets look at what info the film gives us and what conclusions can be drawn;

1) He was obese, liked an hedonistic lifestyle and had a stressful job. He was on various medications including those to treat UC.

The causes of UC are generally unknown but triggers for flare ups of the illness are known , these include stress , alcohol and poor diet. His lifestyle meant he continually encountered these triggers.

The drugs he was taking either decreased swelling of the hives or were anti-histamines. We are never told of the effect of the drugs on the frequency and severity of his hives compared to prior to his treatment. So no conclusions can be drawn on their effectiveness in his case.

2) He fasted, juiced, had a holiday and took meds for 60 days leading to no flare ups.

We know by fasting and taking a holiday he removed a number of possible triggers ie alcohol, stress and diet based allergies / triggers. We know that the meds he was taking reduce either swelling or histamine levels and given the decrease in triggers would be more effective. We have no evidence that "juicing" had any effect here*.

3) He continued juicing and combined this with a healthy diet.

Again the healthy diet avoids known triggers negating the need for meds. The effects of juicing on his illness (which he still suffers from) remain unknown.

*Most nutrition based miracle cure CT's I've come across claim a conveniently vague mechanism of action whereby the nutrients improve the immune system (don't think it would work here anyways), in this case the triggers are removed meaning even if this were true we wouldn't be able to tell.

To make claims regarding the effectiveness of juicing over that of meds or just in general in treating UC he would need to revert to his old diet and then introduce juicing in place of his meds.

tomaso11

its not clear in the movie, but he has done many podcast and also has a website where he states that its not the "juice" as such which is the cure.. but rather the body that is healing itselft when getting a break from all the bad food that is normally consumed. The juice is only providing the nutrients that the body needs and helps with the detox

one Documentary that I found very interesting was "hungry for change" is on netflix, way more informative but it follows the same idea.

jh79

tomaso11 wrote: »

its not clear in the movie, but he has done many podcast and also has a website where he states that its not the "juice" as such which is the cure.. but rather the body that is healing itselft when getting a break from all the bad food that is normally consumed. The juice is only providing the nutrients that the body needs and helps with the detox

one Documentary that I found very interesting was "hungry for change" is on netflix, way more informative but it follows the same idea.

Juicing does not help with detox, detox diets are a myth.

Had a look at his website also, he says that juicing and a healthy diet helps him manage his illness. He does not use the word cure on the rebootwithjoe website.

cormie

jh79 wrote: »

Juicing does not help with detox, detox diets are a myth.

Can you elaborate on this? Are you saying detoxing itself is a myth? How would juicing not help with detox if you're giving your body a chance to get rid of **** while consuming a very minimal amount, but still nutrient rich, clean organic and natural food source?