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Woman killed, 7 injured in garda chase outside Kildare

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    #212
    endacl
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    realies wrote: »
    No Gerry Adams yet , bad thread.

    I blame Gerry Adams. State of this kip. Etc.


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    #213
    Eutow
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    end of the road wrote: »
    he had no evidence that he wasn't "popping around for tea and a chat"

    Are you in the habit of offering tea, cake, maybe a beer to some stranger that is trespassing on your property? Maybe Nally should have waited till he was baited over the head with a shovel or what not, before deciding that this Frog fella was not such a good chap afterall.
    end of the road wrote: »

    exactly, he murdered him after he left the property. had he shot him once on the property and he died, that may have been a different story. but he followed him and shot him again. so frankly i've no sympathy for the murdering vermin. the only reason he got away with the sympathy vote was because the man he shot was a traveler

    Only Frog is the vermin here. Frog would have had no hesitation in seriously injuring or murdering Nally or some other innocent person if he had to.
    end of the road wrote: »
    good, then we could lock you up for the rest of your life as you'd be clearly a danger to society just like Nally.

    Nally is no danger to anyone.

    end of the road wrote: »
    who had left his property. what convictions and court appearances he had were irrelevant.
    end of the road wrote: »
    yeah, anti traveler types and those who weren't brought up properly with proper morals

    It's very relevant. This piece of scum highlights our cr@ppy so called justice system. Look at the history of this guy. He should have been locked up before he met the wrong end of a gun.

    Yeah, the discrimination / racist card again. Ah god love him, people are only hating on him because he is a traveller. Nothing to do with him been a scumbag with previous convictions and court appearances.

    end of the road wrote: »
    the fact he shot a man the second time when he had left the property says otherwise. no sympathy for him. he played the sympathy card and got lucky


    I would have made sure as well.

    EDIT: This thread has been derailed unfortunately, but this post I responded to was ridiculous.


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    #214
    Tail Docker
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    realies wrote: »
    No Gerry Adams yet , bad thread.

    No Hitler either. Glaring omission.


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    #215
    Sofiztikated
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    endacl wrote: »
    I blame Gerry Adams. State of this kip. Etc.
    Tail Docker wrote: »
    No Hitler either. Glaring omission.
    realies wrote: »
    No Gerry Adams yet , bad thread.


    It's possibly the fault of the kiddy fiddling, celebate Catholic church, they didn't like the looks of those tits in the polo, so obviously ignored them, causing them to have a complex.

    Is that bingo?


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    #216
    Ruu
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    Keep on topic please or don't post. Nally and Adams are irrelevant.

    Mod.


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    pc7
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    Not sure if it's been posted but exactly as I thought yesterday. Driver has 20 former convictions, another passenger has convictions pending and the other 3 are on bail. The police are NOT to blame for this these scum are and the judgicary that give such lenient (non existent) sentences. http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fatal-crash-car-was-chased-after-crime-spree-30691770.html


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    #218
    Gatling
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    Watch give it a few weeks and the driver will make a massive claim for compensation
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    #219
    Guy:Incognito
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    Edit. Oops, wrong thread..


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    #220
    18MonthsaSlave
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    Irish Times are trying to whoop up a campaign about the 14 year old traveller who was was denied a wake while ignoring the background of the individuals here, a background that almost inevitably leads to anti-social behaviour and misery for the rest of Irish society.
    The Irish Times is a comical caricature of the PC Liberal media. If the owner of the funeral parlour or relative of the innocent dead women were related to the Editor of the IT they'd unlikely have the same enlightened view which allows them to mount their high horse and look down on the rest of Irish society.


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    #221
    Patser
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    This is probably worth a seperate thread but Sweet Jesus, what was the editor of the Star thinking!!! They've published a picture of the accident scene today, complete with the poor Victim's body still on scene. Yes it's covered by a blanket but her body's outline is clear,it's lying on the road with resuscitation gear beside it. Even the photo sideline mentions that it's her body there.

    It's an incredibly insensitive piece of journalism. Completely unneeded. And in very poor taste.


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    #222
    TGJD
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    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    It's possibly the fault of the kiddy fiddling, celebate Catholic church, they didn't like the looks of those tits in the polo, so obviously ignored them, causing them to have a complex.

    Is that bingo?

    Surely it's all those people on the dole that are to blame. That's bingo I'd say.


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    #223
    tayto lover
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    I wonder what odds i'd get for predicting that one of those 5 will be involved in another death or serious incident in the future?


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    #224
    Idbatterim
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    some excellent comments under the following Independent article. The free legal aid gravy train is simply too good to turn down for the legal profession. We hear that a prison space costs X per year. How much is it costing to process the scum every time they appear in court, what is the cost of the crime, how much welfare are they receiving every week?

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fatal-crash-car-was-chased-after-crime-spree-30691770.html

    So let me get this straight, these scum are costing us an absolute fortune with the current situation, yet we cant afford to lock them up? Morally its depraved!
    Nothing will be done here. Remember, the State considers these thugs not as its enemy, but those citizens who object to paying twice for their water. Just watch the resources that will be called upon to deal with the latter (including those lucky enough not to have their fancy mobile phones stolen from them).
    The law is an ass in both the way we administer justice in this country and the the way our guards handled this situation.Where are the legal representatives ie,solicitors and barristers who represented these thugs for their own financial gain to free these thugs from justice.Would they like to wake up if it were one of their wives or loved ones killed by these thugs.My sincerest sympathy to the family of the this lady.
    Simply drag these thugs from their hospital beds and leave the scumbags on the side of the road so they can experience the pain of the unfortunate lady who died. We have the parasites of the legal system screwing us and the criminals giving us the two fingers, but what will change from this. Nothing until the people of this country take to the streets and demand action.
    The smug judges, solicitors and barristers may as well admit that it is they who are directly responsible for this woman's death. They and the posh clubs that represent them are talking shops and useless, they have abused the trust of the Irish people for far too long now and gotten away with it just like the criminals. They have used the revolving door system to expand their extremely valuable franchise it is all self serving meanwhile the public pay the full price of judicial cowardice and incompetence. Let's not forget they are all political appointments' either directly or by a nod to the judicial appointments board. It's as bad a failure as the political system itself.
    20 previous convictions for car theft and burglaries..... and 20 times a barrister, a solicitor and a whole legal system , .. all dipped into the free legal aid pot and benefited from this guy being let out time and again by a judge.... even after two or three times the judiciary any other country would have taken these people off the street.

    It appears the free legal aid system is there more to help professionals to enjoy a nice cosy income rather than help genuine people who find themselves having to defend themselves in court..

    Imagine how many barristers, solicitors, ..even the judiciary would be out of a job if we did not have a system that allowed criminals out on bail or given a fine...time and again when they clearly should be locked up .... but instead they are allowed out only to commit more crime which inevitably will lead to the free legal aid system being dipped into again and again.

    It appears to me the free legal aid system is being manipulated to provide a fine income for a whole swathe of professionals.


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    #225
    Little CuChulainn
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    some excellent comments under the following Independent article.

    Is that sarcasm? Most of the comments are very uninformed even if they do raise some valid issues.


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    #226
    TomoBhoy
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    Right you have assholes in every walk of life, I live in close proximity to about 4/5 settled families, I have never had anything but good to say about them, I know absolute knuts and none of them are from the travelling community, but saying that we all know a small minority tar rich/poor/travelling/settled/Roma/migrants.


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    #227
    tayto lover
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    TomoBhoy wrote: »
    Right you have assholes in every walk of life, I live in close proximity to about 4/5 settled families, I have never had anything but good to say about them, I know absolute knuts and none of them are from the travelling community, but saying that we all know a small minority tar rich/poor/travelling/settled/Roma/migrants.

    True and it doesn't matter that they were Travelers either.
    What matters is that they were out on bail to continue a rampage around the country.


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    #228
    eviltwin
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    pc7 wrote: »
    Not sure if it's been posted but exactly as I thought yesterday. Driver has 20 former convictions, another passenger has convictions pending and the other 3 are on bail. The police are NOT to blame for this these scum are and the judgicary that give such lenient (non existent) sentences. http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fatal-crash-car-was-chased-after-crime-spree-30691770.html

    Read this and was disgusted, even more disgusted to find on continued reading that the driver who was 23 or 24 was the oldest occupant of the car. The rest were teenagers!! Like wtf is wrong with this country when you have someone barely into adulthood with that many convictions to their name.

    And why are Pavee Point so silent on this? They are the first to come out with a statement when they feel travellers are hard done by but very quite on subjects like traveller gangs robbing blind.


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    #229
    beer_diva
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    end of the road wrote: »
    he had no evidence that he wasn't "popping around for tea and a chat"



    exactly, he murdered him after he left the property. had he shot him once on the property and he died, that may have been a different story. but he followed him and shot him again. so frankly i've no sympathy for the murdering vermin. the only reason he got away with the sympathy vote was because the man he shot was a traveler



    good, then we could lock you up for the rest of your life as you'd be clearly a danger to society just like Nally.



    yes i am.



    who had left his property. what convictions and court appearances he had were irrelevant.



    yeah, anti traveler types and those who weren't brought up properly with proper morals



    the fact he shot a man the second time when he had left the property says otherwise. no sympathy for him. he played the sympathy card and got lucky



    if anyone else was labelled as vermin on this site ( including ISIS ) , warnings would be issued

    its fine when an elderly bachelor farmer is demonised in such a vicious manner

    shocking moderation


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    #230
    beer_diva
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    True and it doesn't matter that they were Travelers either.
    What matters is that they were out on bail to continue a rampage around the country.

    true but in the case of the media , when a funeral parlour owner denied service to a deceased young mans family , backrounds are highlighted

    in this case of criminality where a young woman lost her life , no mention is made of the culprits backround


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    beer_diva
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    Read this and was disgusted, even more disgusted to find on continued reading that the driver who was 23 or 24 was the oldest occupant of the car. The rest were teenagers!! Like wtf is wrong with this country when you have someone barely into adulthood with that many convictions to their name.

    And why are Pavee Point so silent on this? They are the first to come out with a statement when they feel travellers are hard done by but very quite on subjects like traveller gangs robbing blind.

    im sure vincent browne will have martin collins on his show monday evening to discuss the death of this woman in a garda chase


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    #232
    smurgen
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    How exactly does the legal profession work in instances like this?is there any recourse or reprocussions for the judges who allowed these individuals out?


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    end of the road
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    pc7 wrote: »
    Not sure if it's been posted but exactly as I thought yesterday. Driver has 20 former convictions, another passenger has convictions pending and the other 3 are on bail. The police are NOT to blame for this these scum are and the judgicary that give such lenient (non existent) sentences. http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fatal-crash-car-was-chased-after-crime-spree-30691770.html
    the guardai are partly to blame. they are not trained to be involved in high speed chaces like this. hopefully this will be a wake up call for better procedures for such incidents including proper high speed driving training

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    end of the road
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    18MonthsaSlave wrote: »
    Irish Times are trying to whoop up a campaign about the 14 year old traveller who was was denied a wake while ignoring the background of the individuals here, a background that almost inevitably leads to anti-social behaviour and misery for the rest of Irish society.
    The Irish Times is a comical caricature of the PC Liberal media. If the owner of the funeral parlour or relative of the innocent dead women were related to the Editor of the IT they'd unlikely have the same enlightened view which allows them to mount their high horse and look down on the rest of Irish society.
    "PC Liberal media rabel rabel" stopped reading there

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    some excellent comments under the following Independent article. The free legal aid gravy train is simply too good to turn down for the legal profession. We hear that a prison space costs X per year. How much is it costing to process the scum every time they appear in court, what is the cost of the crime, how much welfare are they receiving every week?

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fatal-crash-car-was-chased-after-crime-spree-30691770.html

    So let me get this straight, these scum are costing us an absolute fortune with the current situation, yet we cant afford to lock them up? Morally its depraved!
    those comments are the usual rabel rabel one would read from those papers. the legal people are just doing their job with the tools given to them

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #236
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    smurgen wrote: »
    How exactly does the legal profession work in instances like this?is there any recourse or reprocussions for the judges who allowed these individuals out?

    Never. It isn't always the judges fault though. I know of one teenager that is arrested almost daily and charged. Currently has about 6 months in jail time built up but there is no bed for him in the "school" so he keeps getting bail.


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    end of the road
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    why are Pavee Point so silent on this? They are the first to come out with a statement when they feel travellers are hard done by but very quite on subjects like traveller gangs robbing blind.
    so what. its not their job to say anything in relation to this or traveler gangs robbing blind. thats the job of the courts. Pavee Points job is to look after travelers who have been discriminated against. Pavee Point saying anything in relation to criminality from travelers isn't going to change anything and is frankly unnecessary

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #238
    Hitchens
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    end of the road wrote: »
    the guardai are partly to blame. they are not trained to be involved in high speed chaces like this. hopefully this will be a wake up call for better proceedures for such incidents including proper high speed driving training
    your posts just get worse and worse, have you no shame at all


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    #239
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    end of the road wrote: »
    so what. its not their job to say anything in relation to this or traveler gangs robbing blind. thats the job of the courts. Pavee Points job is to look after travelers who have been discriminated against. Pavee Point saying anything in relation to criminality from travelers isn't going to change anything and is frankly unnecessary

    Well it would show they recognise the prevelance of criminality in the community they represent and go a long way towards convincing people they are genuinely looking to improve life for travellers and address the issues internal to their community. Their current tactic of denial, blaming the settled community and blaming discrimination is merely furthering the alienation of the traveller community and achieving nothing.


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    end of the road
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    Hitchens wrote: »
    your posts just get worse and worse, have you no shame at all

    oh? really? so what training for high speed driving do the garda have then?

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    angelfire9
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    REad today (think it was on the indo) that as the poor deceased woman was a childminder she had a child car seat in her car
    The gardai and fire brigade spent a substantial amount of time searching around the road/ditches at the location of the incident in case she had a child with her at the time
    How awful is that? :(


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