Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

lads ffs it will be tomas mul for the hurlers and larry for the football.............sad but true, too men with zero success in manageemtn but frank approves of both and local media will follow the spin of leaders on the pitch, the double etc etc

Great minds think alike sean
I said same thing earlier
Who would you rate
Your normally on the ball sean your posting is shrewd and articulate

Pos087

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Great minds think alike sean
I said same thing earlier
Who would you rate
Your normally on the ball sean your posting is shrewd and articulate

Get a room

zetecescort

Mulcahy on the couch for the sunday game later. will he officially throw his hat in the ring?

Royal Legend

next Cork Hurling Manager on the SG now

CORKDOUBLE

Tomas Mulcahy has said no ....is that it or does no mean yes !

Pos087

Royal Legend wrote: »

next Cork Hurling Manager on the SG now

You might be right. With this CB Marty morissey has a good shout of getting it.

thinkstoomuch1

Pos087 wrote: »

You might be right. With this CB Marty morissey has a good shout of getting it.

Who would you like

Pos087

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Who would you like

I would like o Grady with pat Ryan and Kingston but would be shocked if any of the three get it. It's sad to say with our history that we have very little top class management to pick from. I fully agree with you when tou say who ever gets it needs to have proven experience. As much as I am in Donal og's corner I in no way think he should get it. Landers was being praised for the intensity he brought but tbh I have not seen it. I hope mulcahy doesn't get it as imo he is all talk and he would want the job to please his ego rather than his love for Cork gaa.

thinkstoomuch1

Pos087 wrote: »

I would like o Grady with pat Ryan and Kingston but would be shocked if any of the three get it. It's sad to say with our history that we have very little top class management to pick from. I fully agree with you when tou say who ever gets it needs to have proven experience. As much as I am in Donal og's corner I in no way think he should get it. Landers was being praised for the intensity he brought but tbh I have not seen it. I hope mulcahy doesn't get it as imo he is all talk and he would want the job to please his ego rather than his love for Cork gaa.

Fair enough choice there i wouldn't argue

Ryan I said before like be under twenty one but yes can be senior selection but wouldn't want him as main man

Johnny Crowley ex Sarsfields could be selector option

John conside wouldn't be worst choice would not be my ist but won minor cork under twenty one worked ucc and on board coaching committee and is hurling man
He would surrounding himself good team i think

Cusack should be involved under age before senior

Pos087

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Fair enough choice there i wouldn't argue

Ryan I said before like be under twenty one but yes can be senior selection but wouldn't want him as main man

Johnny Crowley ex Sarsfields could be selector option

John conside wouldn't be worst choice would not be my ist but won minor cork under twenty one worked ucc and on board coaching committee and is hurling man
He would surrounding himself good team i think

Cusack should be involved under age before senior

I wouldn't mind if Ryan was main man but would need experience of some one like o Grady or John allen. If Teddy Mc involved I don't think I will renew my season ticket. I can't fault his passion but everywhere he goes argument follow. I agree with Donal og underage u add to that with likes of John gardener who is writing excellent articles for the journal.

slingerz

Heard whispers that Eamonn Ryan could be involved with the footballers. A legend with the lady footballers but I fear he may not be current enough to succeed

Pos087

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Who would you like

Perfect world who would you like.

thinkstoomuch1

slingerz wrote: »

Heard whispers that Eamonn Ryan could be involved with the footballers. A legend with the lady footballers but I fear he may not be current enough to succeed

Ryan would be fine as he always learns and would bring in top men to work with
He's record every club county team speak volume

The ladies success isn't rated by some but level consistency winning has to be recognised as football ladies now competitive

thinkstoomuch1

Pos087 wrote: »

Perfect work who would you like.

I'd like to mix the past with a vision for the future

My choice Presuming Kingston doesn't want it
Wallis manager
Mulchay cit coach
Cody Youghal s and c or be phoning up deasy from kilbrittan after Samoa exit world cup which should be early enough and see if available come in or ask Corbett from limerick under twenty one cork man worked kerry football and monaghan successful at minor

Pat Hartnett is unavailable
Sherlock as selector
Possibly landers or Hayes as selector from intermediate winning team last year this year under twenty one

Perfect world ger Cunningham would be manager
Noel furlong highly rated by cunningjham and worked development squads and ucc maybe possible outside chance selector

Cunningjham was keen bring him Dublin but dublin wanted Dublin man on back room team apparently

thinkstoomuch1

Pos087 wrote: »

I wouldn't mind if Ryan was main man but would need experience of some one like o Grady or John allen. If Teddy Mc involved I don't think I will renew my season ticket. I can't fault his passion but everywhere he goes argument follow. I agree with Donal og underage u add to that with likes of John gardener who is writing excellent articles for the journal.

The timing isn't right for Allen imo cork need build a team new style
Allen is ideal facilities a process but I don't think he can effectively implement new game plan or build new team
He took over team limerick and Cork after o grady

Down the line maybes but now as main man no
He would be okay as part back room team though as outstanding man management skills
Tactic innovation concerns me though

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/cork-sport/time-for-cork-to-look-outside-the-county-for-a-successor-to-jimmy-barry-murphy/683280/

It's just the gift that keeps on giving you would think it's Xmas already
Every appointment we hear cork should look outside county manager
There isn't a hope this happening and just waste ink on paper
Now why earth would we pay outside manager when under age crying out more gdo etc and kavanagh asked for more under age resources


Colm o Neill last week said even football in score cork wouldn't go outside county football manager
But wait for it some national news paper looking story probably put Jason ryan john Evans name in football vacancy when there's not hope either even getting interview

Brian Murphy ex cork Kildare forward all accounts very good coach could get Kildare senior job

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/jbm-gave-it-everything-in-his-second-coming/681399/

Ger Fitzgerald mentioned here
How in the name of gaa he's mentioned when he's record is appalling at club and under twenty one
Four years under twenty one winning just two games
Loosing games should won notably tipp three years ago point and limerick munster final
Same coach problem senior players when went holiday before last big match as former selector
Same manager failed yes failed give seamus Harnedy one second game time despite being on bench v limerick four years ago
It's not just throw names on to hat and pick them
Fitzgerald outstanding player owes cork nothing but no way should be be part any management team
Reason is just look at he's record in management

thinkstoomuch1

As said in echo players want Kingston
He said before would go back
If he's available he should get it
No need sub committee etc
Let him pick he's team then
Hartnett would be ideal as selector won county under twenty one midelton but didn't join senior club over commitment and left minor over commitment
Unlikely be available but is good hurling man

eigrod

The most important jobs in Cork hurling for the next 3/4 years are the Minor and U21 management. The County really needs to harvest some silverware at these levels. Aside from the obvious benefits, it will breed some optimism in to the hurling fraternity in the County.

I don't envy the Senior manager who takes over for the next 3 years. It doesn't look like he will have an awful lot different to work with than the last couple of management teams. I think we need to be patient with him and keep the expectations at Senior level pretty moderate for the time being.

The manager after next, will (hopefully!) have much more raw material to work with though given last Saturday's successes.

rebel girl 15

slingerz wrote: »

Heard whispers that Eamonn Ryan could be involved with the footballers. A legend with the lady footballers but I fear he may not be current enough to succeed

I don't he'd consider the job tbh, given his age and family circumstances

Landers was the one who put the sweeper system in place, think he would be an ideal manager but it is sickening that it is all about the fact whose face fits

thinkstoomuch1

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

I don't he'd consider the job tbh, given his age and family circumstances

Landers was the one who put the sweeper system in place, think he would be an ideal manager but it is sickening that it is all about the fact whose face fits

Is it true that clearly if wants cork ladies job has it when Ryan goes if doesn't get senior gig??

As for landers your totally correct and I said the same after the waterford games landers enforced sweeper

As Cusack said cork had kick and screaming play the game

It's know few players apparently not keen on sweeper but my attuide is if so drop them as Cork have no choice but to embrace new game just like kerry football at minor forget about romantic football but they first won the battle then they dazzle with there natural skills

Cork would do well to look at kerry football and see how compared previous team minor and senior are only good and not great but have two outstanding managers in fitzmaurice and jack o connor with Cian o Neill who actually get everything out of them


Kerry minor huge challenge beat tipp again twice one year but tomas o se said any manager can do it jack can as he's winner and innovation is he's middle name

Cork some live in this myth as dark as stone age win fifty fifty battles pride and passion fire and brimstone will win the day and this mushrooms theory
As proven time and again it's incorrect

thinkstoomuch1

eigrod wrote: »

The most important jobs in Cork hurling for the next 3/4 years are the Minor and U21 management. The County really needs to harvest some silverware at these levels. Aside from the obvious benefits, it will breed some optimism in to the hurling fraternity in the County.

I don't envy the Senior manager who takes over for the next 3 years. It doesn't look like he will have an awful lot different to work with than the last couple of management teams. I think we need to be patient with him and keep the expectations at Senior level pretty moderate for the time being.

The manager after next, will (hopefully!) have much more raw material to work with though given last Saturday's successes.

I wouldn't agree with this view lower expectations and imo is recipe for disaster as if some flawed poor management take over we will have a repeat cork football utter shambles two years where no minimum standard was ever set

We won't win all ireland yes however such is the poverty of hurling the next few years I fear minimum standard should always get be top four
That should be standard set
Jbm done it and I actually belive with young talent coming up and effective system cork no reason not to aim for this and maintain division one status

Look at the chasing pack
In fairness there's nothing to fear
Limerick absoultey not however if Kinnerk goes in with o connor maybes
But Ryan clearly proved hasn't got what it takes and ccb no confidence either in telling him change selector
Only reason he was not sacked is they want to show face as they now realise made awful judgment give him three years after moral victory v kk


Tippeary have talent but Ryan as selector been there eight years and now management isn't change needed
I expect tipp to fall back
Waterford have a system but needs tweaking
If they change they could be the top teams however I have seen nothing from mcgrath to suggest he'll change system

Dublin have a great manager but lacks players and is in transition
Galway if win sunday will be like leinster rubgy that one win will improve them no end and always have hurling and being in leinster imo will always be in the knock out end of the championship


Come sunday I hope for hurling kk loose as of they win they will dominating hurling and win five in a row simply cause Galway will be beaten twice by kk under cunningjham in final and will need to change manager


Clare have the under age success and talent but it's depending on fully fit squad with Kinnerk joining them
If Kinnerk joins one of clare of limerick one will benefit one imo won't so there's nothing to say cork can't push for top four


You must have minimum standards in all sports
Cork football had none such that management said last year sligo was there all ireland final
That day confirmed what I already knew that set up was miles off kerry and Dublin who treat football seriously

There's realism in yes we won't win an all ireland however let's be cute there is no reason why we can't get top four
Small consolation yes but the last thing we need is to fall below that
Have no doubt get the management wrong in hurling and it could happen
Under poor management we fell from top four to top ten in football a dramatic fall from grace
Forget about moral victory not worth the ink on paper
Just look at the results
Things can always get worse
Lane said today he's unsure the process for appointment hurling in while football lot happy it ex players etc cork may choose not do same with the hurling


Unreal if so
No transparent consistent selection between football and hurling
While I think the committee are a joke when ccb have two men on it and run the show its not right committee pick the football were led belive yet hurling may have different process

That's the problem again hurling and football is treated not equally in both codes


Sooner football and hurling is split into their own board the better

thinkstoomuch1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/erins-own-surge-clear-as-carrigtwohill-pay-for-sending-off-351149.html

Huge relevant here in kidney piece on referring in cork
He is right cork hurling is soft
But it's like crying wolf
It's fall on deaf ears
All we hear is the ccb meeting the clubs change the championship format which is good but seriously like will referring be actually changed in not refs are the problem but mandate from board has to change in tell them to be tougher

Wallis fours years ago called for a review, nothing done
Daniel Kearney one of the smallest cork players but a warrior said the same referee cork too soft
John meyler said it in may
Now kidney
How many people have to cry for change before its done
Just look at the amount of point from frees every Monday morning report on games in cork it's way above the normal
Lads get frees in club games but senior it's play on
Cork can't be tough on field if club games the culture is soft
No one wants dirty play but this is hurling a contact sport not basketball

Absoultey crucial cork toughen up club hurling and get right management as doing one with out the other is one step forward ten step back

commonsense.

eigrod wrote:

I don't envy the Senior manager who takes over for the next 3 years. It doesn't look like he will have an awful lot different to work with than the last couple of management teams. I think we need to be patient with him and keep the expectations at Senior level pretty moderate for the time being.

You are absolutely spot on in my view. Managing Cork senior hurlers for the next few years is not an attractive proposition. Will be very interesting to see who actually allow their hats into the ring. Some possible contenders will bide their time I'd say.

Pos087

Ttm what you make of ucc hurling this year.

pluszap

Hope the rumour about christy cooney name being mentioned for manager is not true

commonsense.

Landers may well make a good manager if that means not taking the players views into consideration. But of course that may well suit the board who have previous in this regard.
And with regard to the move to a sweeper system, I understand there was a big element of player influence in that initiative.

sean mac

commonsense. wrote: »

Landers may well make a good manager if that means not taking the players views into consideration. But of course that may well suit the board who have previous in this regard.
And with regard to the move to a sweeper system, I understand there was a big element of player influence in that initiative.

Don't know enough about landers but have heard little positive, however this last bit I agree with 100% as I heard it from a player. It was led by the players who were embarrassed and frustrated, the last few years weren't all sweetness and light in the panel, it was clear with coaches leaving, players leavgin etc that things were strained at times like a lot of panels. Imo it should be a combination of managers/coaches with perhaps considine as manager, mulcahy, Kingston involved also? also need to look again at s&c, know use whatsoever being able to run 800 metres if your getting blown out of it, galway this year and tipp last year showed how poor cork were here

commonsense.

rebel girl 15 wrote:

Landers was the one who put the sweeper system in place, think he would be an ideal manager but it is sickening that it is all about the fact whose face fits

Landers may well make a good manager if that means not taking the players views into consideration. But of course that may well suit the board who have previous in this regard. And with regard to the move to a sweeper system, I understand there was a big element of player influence in that initiative.[/quote]

zetecescort

end of year report on development squads from gaacork.ie

A hectic day on Saturday last, brought the curtain down on this season’s programme for almost all Rebel Óg Academy teams / Cork Development Squads. This season, the third year of the new programme, saw further progress, with increased cohesion between all parties and with more players than ever involved. While the hurling teams took the spotlight on Saturday, with a stunning clean sweep of all seven Munster and All Ireland hurling tournaments from U14 to U17 (winning all 24 matches), it is also now appropriate to recognise the huge volume of work completed by Academy coaches and players over the past twelve months, in both football and hurling.

This work began last autumn at both regional and county level with over one thousand players and one hundred coaches involved, before the formation of the summer panels in May, when three hundred and fifty players and sixty mentors were incorporated in the Rebel Óg squads at county level.

As of today, all county panels are now disbanded and all management teams have completed their annual terms. This is to ensure that players not selected this summer are given every chance to gain selection for next year and to make sure that no players become “institutionalised” as “county players” which we think would be unhealthy for any young boy.

Therefore, all players will start off on an even footing when the regional panels are reformed in late October and the door re-opens for the late developers. With a number of current mentors now moving on to roles with Cork Minors, new management teams will be formed at regional and county level in advance of the regional winter programme. That said, we expect to see many of the same faces involved, as continuity from year to year in terms of both panels and mentors is vital.

The only remaining activity will be the U17 football tournament in Kerry on September 12th, while the GDAs (Games Development Administrator's) will continue to work with their U13 panels at divisional level. Neither activity should have any impact on club or school activities, whatsoever. With no action on our side for a while, we look forward to seeing all players continuing to represent their clubs and schools with honour. The character we saw over the past weekend alone, leaves us in no doubt that they will.

For the coaches and officers, the next month will see a review of all activities within the programme and all feedback is welcome as we plan to further improve our links with clubs and schools for next year’s programme.

Finally, without mentioning any names and in no particular order, a huge thank you goes to:

•the Coaches who travelled from all over on a voluntary basis to serve their county;
•the Players who committed to representing their county with pride;
•the Parents, who ferried their sons to all destinations so that they may fulfill their potential;
•the Club / School Coaches & Officers who play the major part in producing such magnificent talent;
•the Officers at Rebel Óg and Cork County Board level who provided all necessary support;
•the Appointments Committee for securing the best possible mentors for each team;
•the Service Providers such as the Mardyke Arena, UCC CIT, Physioactive & Cummins Sports for top-class service;
•the Full-time Coaching Staff including the Games Manager and GDAs for the unseen work at all levels.


2015 was another small step in the right direction, but a step, nonetheless.

To paraphrase Thomas Hardy (Far from the Madding Crowd)…..

“We don’t know our capabilities,

But we will do our best.

We will be up before you are awake,

We will be afield before you are up,

It is our intention to astonish you all,

Now…. back to work”




Corcaigh Abú,

Kevin O’Donovan,

County Coaching Officer