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Three convicted murderers working in Belfast shopping center.

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    #242
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,234 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Laois6556 wrote: »
    Why would I avoid such a simple question? I've actually already stated my view, within the last page infact!

    Hi Laois6556, can you answer the simple question I asked you?


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    #243
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    osarusan wrote: »
    He's already answered it really.





    He's rather they were hounded out of jobs than be allowed to have a job.

    Yes and I've made my position even clearer in other posts. It's all there for everyone to read.


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    #244
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Hi Laois6556, can you answer the simple question I asked you?

    See osarusans post... he would like them hounded out of any jobs. He also see red "neither" to the b) or c) options previously when I put them to them.

    In short he is a liar with a victim complex and has nothing to add to the discussion.


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    #245
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Laois6556 wrote: »
    Yes and I've made my position even clearer in other posts. It's all there for everyone to read.

    Your position could not be clearer than it is in that post. Good luck lying your way out of that.


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    #246
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Cheers, had a feeling I had come across something to that effect but wasn't bothered going the whole way through the thread AGAIN. So what was that about liars? ;)

    Where did I lie? I'm afraid you're the only liar round here, you've even admitted it. :D


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    #247
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Yes, that you would like them hounded out of any potential jobs, and would prefer "neither" seeing them on the dole or stuck without employment or welfare.

    Get yourself and your victim complex out of here, you liar.

    You're lying again.


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    #248
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Hi Laois6556, can you answer the simple question I asked you?

    Read my posts.


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    #249
    baldbear
    Registered Users Posts: 5,545 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Nicolas Cage wrote: »
    They did the crime and paid the time. I'd rather they honestly work somewhere than not at all.

    They're cutting keys ffs. It's not like they beat 100s of applicants to the role of mattress tester.

    Cutting house keys. Great jobs for violent criminals. Easy access to peoples homes! What could go wrong?


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    #250
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Billy86 wrote: »
    See osarusans post... he would like them hounded out of any jobs. He also see red "neither" to the b) or c) options previously when I put them to them.

    In short he is a liar with a victim complex and has nothing to add to the discussion.

    You must be a compulsive liar. Read Osarusans post again and tell me where I said that?


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    #251
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Your position could not be clearer than it is in that post. Good luck lying your way out of that.

    Read the post again, carefully this time.


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    #252
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users Posts: 17,518 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    baldbear wrote: »
    Cutting house keys. Great jobs for violent criminals. Easy access to peoples homes! What could go wrong?

    This point has been addressed numerous times. You don't give your address when handing in a key to be cut.

    Welcome to the thread.


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    #253
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    What's all this calling each other liars? Are yiz all ten years old?


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    #254
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users Posts: 17,518 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Laois6556 wrote: »
    How is it the other way around?

    If the criminals rights were being put ahead of those of the victim's families, then the victim's families would be forced to get their keys cut in their loved ones' killers place of employment and not allowed get their kets cut elsewhere.

    It's ridiculous. Stop arguing about it.


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    #255
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Qualitymark wrote: »
    What's all this calling each other liars? Are yiz all ten years old?

    :D It seems that way, I caught someone out lying and like a 10 year old they are now saying I'm the liar. It's a deep and meaningfull conversation you've come across.


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    #256
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Laois6556 wrote: »
    Where did I lie? I'm afraid you're the only liar round here, you've even admitted it. :D

    You said you want them hounded out of their jobs over earning a living. So you don't want them employed.

    You said "neither" when I asked if you wanted them on the dole, of not allowed employment or welfare.

    You then claimed that I was lying about saying this, when you said it all. It's right there in my post from 00:42 on Monday night. Keep digging.


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    #257
    CaptainInsano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭CaptainInsano


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Your position could not be clearer than it is in that post. Good luck lying your way out of that.

    Speaking of dodging questions, I asked you repeatedly if the family should be considered when these guys were all employed in the same place? Someone said Belfast is a big place, that's a cop out. There's always the off chance they'll run into them. One poster NicholasCage said '' They should just go to different key cutters.'' That's one solution I guess, although it's a pretty cold view to hold towards the family.


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    #258
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    Laois6556 wrote: »
    :D It seems that way, I caught someone out lying and like a 10 year old they are now saying I'm the liar. It's a deep and meaningfull conversation you've come across.

    Heh!

    As for the key cutting, sometimes you do give your address when you bring keys to be cut; for example, I've always gone to the same shop, and they've been out to instal locks in my house, and mend locks here.
    It's also possible to use credit cards to find addresses with a little social engineering of the kind some murderers might enjoy.


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    #259
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Nicolas Cage wrote: »
    If the criminals rights were being put ahead of those of the victim's families, then the victim's families would be forced to get their keys cut in their loved ones' killers place of employment and not allowed get their kets cut elsewhere.

    It's ridiculous. Stop arguing about it.

    No, the murderer would be told to move on and the victims family members would be able to shop without having to be served by their relatives killer.


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    #260
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You said you want them hounded out of their jobs over earning a living. So you don't want them employed.

    You said "neither" when I asked if you wanted them on the dole, of not allowed employment or welfare.

    You then claimed that I was lying about saying this, when you said it all. It's right there in my post from 00:42 on Monday night. Keep digging.

    Still with the lies. I didn't say the first thing or the second but I did say the third.


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    #261
    CaptainInsano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭CaptainInsano


    Nicolas Cage wrote: »
    If the criminals rights were being put ahead of those of the victim's families, then the victim's families would be forced to get their keys cut in their loved ones' killers place of employment and not allowed get their kets cut elsewhere.

    It's ridiculous. Stop arguing about it.
    You said to be yesterday that I said these guys should be treated by mob rule. I'd like you to find the post where I said, seeing as you ignored me when I asked yesterday after repeatedly accusing me of saying these men shouldn't be allowed to work.


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    #262
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Are you another one of these people that gives a copy of your ID and your home address details in every time you get a key cut?

    I just give them a piece of shaped metal, and a note or some coins as payment, personally.
    If someone gets a key cut it's highly likely that they live somewhere near the shop. The convicted rapist could very well see them leaving or entering their premises.


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    #263
    Qualitymark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,824 ✭✭✭Qualitymark


    I'd be inclined to think that we're all in agreement here (despite how it looks): people who've served their time should be able to work and earn a living; however, someone who's been convicted of a violent crime probably shouldn't be working in a "customer-facing" job; and such people shouldn't be allowed to resettle near where the crime took place.
    Look at this loopy story from England:
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mass-killer-next-door-man-4393691


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    #264
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Laois6556 wrote: »
    Still with the lies. I didn't say the first thing or the second but I did say the third.

    It's right there in my post with all the quotes, 00:42 Monday night where you said "neither" and osarusan quoted the post where you said look would prefer then ran out of any jobs. You are not only constantly attempting to dodge questions, but you are ignoring your we answers as well. It's kind of comical, really.


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    #265
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,234 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Hi Laois6556, can you answer the simple question I asked you?

    Its really a simple question, and in the 60/70 times you have posted in this thread you have continually dodged the question.

    I say you have not answered the question, can you either repeat your answer or actually answer the simple question in the first place?


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    #266
    CaptainInsano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭CaptainInsano


    Billy86 wrote: »
    It's right there in my post with all the quotes, 00:42 Monday night where you said "neither" and osarusan quoted the post where you said look would prefer then ran out of any jobs. You are not only constantly attempting to dodge questions, but you are ignoring your we answers as well. It's kind of comical, really.
    You always resort to this stuff, can you not just discuss the topic?


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    #267
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    If someone gets a key cut it's highly likely that they live somewhere near the shop. The convicted rapist could very well see them leaving or entering their premises.

    They would have to run out of the shop in pursuit of them in the middle of their shift to get anywhere with that though, and hope to be parked near them or able to get a taxi as soon as they left. Either that of try out every door I the surrounding area whenever they cut a key. It's just not realistic.


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    #268
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    Billy86 wrote: »
    It's right there in my post with all the quotes, 00:42 Monday night where you said "neither" and osarusan quoted the post where you said look would prefer then ran out of any jobs. You are not only constantly attempting to dodge questions, but you are ignoring your we answers as well. It's kind of comical, really.

    You'll need to re-read those posts then.


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    #269
    CaptainInsano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭CaptainInsano


    Billy86 wrote: »
    They would have to run out of the shop in pursuit of them in the middle of their shift to get anywhere with that though, and hope to be parked near them or able to get a taxi as soon as they left. Either that of try out every door I the surrounding area whenever they cut a key. It's just not realistic.

    Or get a dodgy friend to follow them.


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    #270
    Laois6556
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Laois6556


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Hi Laois6556, can you answer the simple question I asked you?

    Its really a simple question, and in the 60/70 times you have posted in this thread you have continually dodged the question.

    I say you have not answered the question, can you either repeat your answer or actually answer the simple question in the first place?

    Hello, I've answered.


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    #271
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    CaptainInsano wrote: »
    Speaking of dodging questions, I asked you repeatedly if the family should be considered when these guys were all employed in the same place? Someone said Belfast is a big place, that's a cop out. There's always the off chance they'll run into them. One poster NicholasCage said '' They should just go to different key cutters.'' That's one solution I guess, although it's a pretty cold view to hold towards the family.
    I don't recall being asked that question before in this thread, but I agree that proximity to their victims families could represent and issue, and that there wouldn't have been much of an argument against relocating the to other areas, even other counties, to create some distance.


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