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MATCH THREAD: Connacht vs Leinster, 19th Sept 2014 19:35, The Sportgroud, TG4

  • 18-09-2014 1:39pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭


    Preview by former legend

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    George Naoupu scores against Leinster in 2012

    The interprovincial series kicks off with Leinster's visit to the Sportsground in a game they will be regarding with some caution. Not usually the most open or free-scoring affair, many of this Leinster team will remember only too well the 28-point defeat of two years ago.
    In truth, tomorrow's game is more likely to resemble that of last season, a scrappy affair in which Connacht did well for the first half but failed to score in the second while Leinster struggled to put the westerners away.

    Perhaps unusually for this time of the year, both teams have a good degree of continuity in their line-ups; Connacht are able to name an unchanged backline from the one that defeated Edinburgh a week ago, with only a single change in the forwards, Aly Muldowney replacing Mick Kearney who drops to the bench. Despite that win in Edinburgh, Connacht will be looking to improve on their performance as they failed to spark for much of the game.

    Although it's a settled backline, it's also very short on experience, with Danie Poolman (age 25) being the old man of the set-up, might this count against them if they come under pressure as the game wears on?

    As ever, much of the focus will be on their potential Ireland internationals, most notably Henshaw and Marmion, but it's worth bearing in mind that Nathan White becomes IQ this month; we know Joe Schmidt was a fan and a good showing against the all-international Leinster front-row might just edge White into the periphery of the national set-up. Another man with plenty to prove tomorrow will be Quinn Roux, on loan to Connacht although few Leinster fans expect to see him in blue again; tomorrow's game will be Roux's third start in a row, something he could probably not have hoped for at Leinster, so hopefully it's the right move for him, but a big showing would be a good two-fingers to the Leinster set-up.

    As for Leinster, their backline only shows one enforced change from the rout of Scarlets last weekend, Fergus McFadden apparently overcoming fitness concerns to replace Zane Kirchner whose sparkling early season form was cut short by a hamstring injury. Up front, Rhys Ruddock makes his first start of the season as he looks to follow up on his breakthrough performances of last season; Dominic Ryan shifts across to openside with Shane Jennings dropping to the bench, otherwise the pack is unchanged from last week, meaning Cian Healy again has to content himself with a place on the bench.

    The big talking point from the Scarlets game was the performance of Ian Madigan at 12, who dove-tailed wonderfully with Gopperth. It will be interesting to see how this combination performs tomorrow; it's hard to see Connacht giving Gopperth and Madigan the acres of space that the Scarlets did so this may be more of a genuine test of Madigan's credentials as a 12. He'll be very aware of Gordon D'Arcy's presence on the bench, waiting for his first appearance of the season; but will we see D'Arcy replacing Brendan Macken instead, as the search for the next occupant of the 13 jersey heats up?

    There'll be no shortage of familiar faces for Connacht among the Leinster squad; Sean Cronin, Mike McCarthy and Daragh Fanning will all be keen to remind the home fans of what they're missing.

    Leinster are 7-point favourites with the bookies for this; I think that's based mainly on their advantage up front. While Connacht looked solid and well-drilled against Edinburgh, particularly in the closing stages, this is another step up in class and Connacht will be delighted if they can maintain parity in the set pieces.

    Where Connacht might really be in trouble is the disparity between the two replacement benches; they simply have no-one to match the game-changing potential of Healy, Reddan and D'Arcy, so if the game is in the balance with 20 minutes to go, you would have to favour Leinster's depth and experience to pull them through.

    My prediction is Leinster by 7-10 points.

    Connacht
    15. Darragh Leader
    14. Niyi Adeolokun
    13. Robbie Henshaw
    12. Dave McSharry
    11. Danie Poolman
    10. Jack Carty
    9. Kieran Marmion

    1. Denis Buckley
    2. Dave Heffernan
    3. Nathan White
    4. Aly Muldowney
    5. Quinn Roux
    6. John Muldoon ©
    7. Willie Faloon
    8. Eoin McKeon

    Replacements:

    16. Shane Delahunt
    17. Ronan Loughney
    18. Rodney Ah You
    19. Mick Kearney
    20. George Naoupu
    21. Ian Porter
    22. Craig Ronaldson
    23. Matt Healy

    Leinster
    15. Rob Kearney
    14. Fergus McFadden
    13. Brendan Macken
    12. Ian Madigan
    11. Darragh Fanning
    10. Jimmy Gopperth
    9. Isaac Boss
    1. Jack McGrath
    2. Sean Cronin
    3. Mike Ross
    4. Devin Toner
    5. Mike McCarthy
    6. Rhys Ruddock
    7. Dominic Ryan
    8. Jamie Heaslip (C)

    Replacements

    16. Bryan Byrne
    17. Cian Healy
    18. Tadhg Furlong
    19. Tom Denton
    20. Shane Jennings
    21. Eoin Reddan
    22. Gordon D'Arcy
    23. Mick McGrath




    Preview by connachta
    I Don't even make a poll as the Dubliners are far too numerous here!

    G'wan the Westies:pac:


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭dub_skav


    Not even the teams, a poor effort D -


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    I like it. Minimalist. ;D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    dub_skav wrote: »
    Not even the teams, a poor effort D -

    Yet better than the effort the rest of us made!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭former legend


    Ah sh*te - mods, do some thread deletion/merging magic there, will yiz?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057292624


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    Good preview but I think your underestimating the Connacht set-piece quite significantly. It's been our main weapon for quite a while now and the front row is frighteningly good at the minute. McFarland's work with the maul has been a pleasure to watch too. I'm only worried about the lineouts because Kearney isn't playing. Really would have been an excellent chance for him to stake a claim in front of Schmidt.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Buer wrote: »
    Yet better than the effort the rest of us made!

    I'm sorry guys, was answering on another topic.
    Was too much enthusiastic, had the envy to create the thread, but very happy that some professional guys have completed the effort

    Thanks and sorry again:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    its_phil wrote: »
    Good preview but I think your underestimating the Connacht set-piece quite significantly. It's been our main weapon for quite a while now and the front row is frighteningly good at the minute. McFarland's work with the maul has been a pleasure to watch too. I'm only worried about the lineouts because Kearney isn't playing. Really would have been an excellent chance for him to stake a claim in front of Schmidt.

    1000 times YES


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭former legend


    its_phil wrote: »
    Good preview but I think your underestimating the Connacht set-piece quite significantly. It's been our main weapon for quite a while now and the front row is frighteningly good at the minute. McFarland's work with the maul has been a pleasure to watch too. I'm only worried about the lineouts because Kearney isn't playing. Really would have been an excellent chance for him to stake a claim in front of Schmidt.

    I don't underestimate it at all; I just think that a Leinster pack containing 7 current internationals is a major step up from the Dragons or Edinburgh and Connacht are going to have to up their game again to live with them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    I'm interested to see how Macken goes against Henshaw. Nice little sub-plot there. Macken doesn't carry any pressure of expectation, but he remains a dangerous player on his day. Hopefully the weather is kind and we can see both players running freely against one another.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Feel Connacht stronger
    Feel Leinster stronger
    Feel is pretty even Steven

    15. Darragh Leader 15. Kearney
    14. Niyi Adeolokun 14. McFadden

    13. Robbie Henshaw 13. Macken
    12. Dave McSharry 12. Madigan
    11. Danie Poolman 11. Fanning
    10. Jack Carty 10. Gopperth
    9. Kieran Marmion 9. Boss

    1. Denis Buckley 1. McGrath
    2. Dave Heffernan 2. Cronin

    3. Nathan White 3. Ross
    4. Aly Muldowney 4. Toner
    5. Quinn Roux 5. McCarthy
    6. John Muldoon © 6. Ruddock

    7. Willie Faloon 7. Ryan
    8. Eoin McKeon 8. Heaslip

    Replacements:

    16. Shane Delahunt 16. Bryan Byrne
    17. Ronan Loughney 17. Cian Healy

    18. Rodney Ah You 18. Tadhg Furlong
    19. Mick Kearney 19. Tom Denton

    20. George Naoupu 20. Shane Jennings
    21. Ian Porter 21. Eoin Reddan
    22. Craig Ronaldson 22. Gordon D'Arcy

    23. Matt Healy 23. Mick McGrath


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    I don't underestimate it at all; I just think that a Leinster pack containing 7 current internationals is a major step up from the Dragons or Edinburgh and Connacht are going to have to up their game again to live with them.

    When I say quite a while I mean back to Toulouse onwards last year. It's a very well drilled pack with the same nucleus as last year and even if Leinster gain parity it won't be by much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    wprathead wrote: »
    Feel Connacht stronger
    Feel Leinster stronger
    Feel is pretty even Steven

    15. Darragh Leader 15. Kearney
    14. Niyi Adeolokun 14. McFadden

    13. Robbie Henshaw 13. Macken
    12. Dave McSharry 12. Madigan
    11. Danie Poolman 11. Fanning
    10. Jack Carty 10. Gopperth
    9. Kieran Marmion 9. Boss

    1. Denis Buckley 1. McGrath
    2. Dave Heffernan 2. Cronin

    3. Nathan White 3. Ross
    4. Aly Muldowney 4. Toner
    5. Quinn Roux 5. McCarthy
    6. John Muldoon © 6. Ruddock

    7. Willie Faloon 7. Ryan
    8. Eoin McKeon 8. Heaslip

    Replacements:

    16. Shane Delahunt 16. Bryan Byrne
    17. Ronan Loughney 17. Cian Healy

    18. Rodney Ah You 18. Tadhg Furlong
    19. Mick Kearney 19. Tom Denton

    20. George Naoupu 20. Shane Jennings
    21. Ian Porter 21. Eoin Reddan
    22. Craig Ronaldson 22. Gordon D'Arcy

    23. Matt Healy 23. Mick McGrath

    If you're going to do a head-to-head comparison, best to have players who will be direct opponents compared, so tight head vs loose head, as 2 tightheads won't be scrummaging against each other.

    1. Denis Buckley 3. Ross
    2. Dave Heffernan 2. Cronin

    3. Nathan White 1. McGrath

    18. Rodney Ah You 17. Cian Healy
    17. Ronan Loughney 18. Tadhg Furlong


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Zzippy wrote: »
    If you're going to do a head-to-head comparison, best to have players who will be direct opponents compared, so tight head vs loose head, as 2 tightheads won't be scrummaging against each other.

    1. Denis Buckley 3. Ross
    2. Dave Heffernan 2. Cronin

    3. Nathan White 1. McGrath

    18. Rodney Ah You 17. Cian Healy
    17. Ronan Loughney 18. Tadhg Furlong

    Was going more so for just on paper - going your route it also be:
    Poolman v McFadden (Ferg just back and Dannie looking very sharp)
    Niyi v Fanning (Very hard to call - don't really rate Fanning but he had a good game versus Scarlets- possibly shading Niyi due to experience but I gave it as even due to my new Niyi Man crush :pac:)


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    i think connacht are in for a rude awakening here.
    This isnt a leinster squad going to the sportsground in the rain and sleet of a christmas week, with internationals injured or rested from November exertions. After 2 games so far its a pretty stable, contiguous team selection by MOC.
    They would have been battle hardened by glasgow and had their sharpness honed against scarlets.

    The leinster selection seems to hint at an attrition battle for the first half, with the selection of boss, and then to open up against tired legs when reddan comes on after 60 mins.

    Id be slightly worried about marmion v boss, i have seen boss caught out by a few snipes towards the end of last season and i hope hes a sharp as he can be.

    leinster by 10-15 for me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    ssaye2 wrote: »
    Thats the thing, a pack in a team that is beaten on the scoresheet more often than not bar a half dozen great games a year. I think its fair to say Leinster are a higher level and they should be looking to dominate not hope to gain parity against generally better players.

    TBF I'm hinging our hopes on our front-row. Really think Buckley and White will be chomping at the bit for Ross and McGrath. Buckley vs Ross will be fascinating and I'd imagine the inclusion of Muldowney is to add more weight to our engine room against Toner and McCarthy. Never looked forward to a scrum contest as much from a Connacht point of view.

    I'm prediciting a Leinster win and while I have different standards compared to a year ago at home, a LBP will be a good result. 9 points from 3 games will be a good return


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    just as well it's a team game...


    just saying loike...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭ssaye2


    BTW my phone acting up with posts, its not boards.

    Its me, hopeless


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    ssaye2 wrote: »
    BTW my phone acting up with posts, its not boards.

    Its me, hopeless

    It's actually not you, it's boards and phones. But hopefully you'll feel hopeless at 9.30 tomorrow evening alright ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭ssaye2


    Zzippy wrote: »
    It's actually not you, it's boards and phones. But hopefully you'll feel hopeless at 9.30 tomorrow evening alright ;)

    No change there then


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    its_phil wrote: »
    TBF I'm hinging our hopes on our front-row. Really think Buckley and White will be chomping at the bit for Ross and McGrath. Buckley vs Ross will be fascinating and I'd imagine the inclusion of Muldowney is to add more weight to our engine room against Toner and McCarthy. Never looked forward to a scrum contest as much from a Connacht point of view.

    2000 times YES


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Having Heaslip and Rob are the two biggest positives for me. The two of them led from the front in a massive way last week and I'd expect the same again this week. If they can I really think we can cause Connacht all sorts of problems. This Leinster side is, as FL has said, a step up from Dragons or Edinburgh. And Connacht were very poor overall last week. I can understand where the general sense of optimism is coming from as Lam seems to be really building something out west, but they are not there yet and tomorrow's game will be a major test.

    Put this way, I'd be very shocked and disappointed if that Leinster side were to come away with anything but a win. It might sound cocky, but we've 9 internationals in our starting XV and another 3 on the bench with McCarthy, Boss and Jennings on top of that too. It's what we should be expecting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭S12b


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    i think connacht are in for a rude awakening here. This isnt a leinster squad going to the sportsground in the rain and sleet of a christmas week, with internationals injured or rested from November exertions.

    Ye sent a full strength team down last January on a perfectly still winter night and it was no stroll in the park!! ;)

    But of course Leinster are favourites and it will takes a massive performance for Connacht to cause an upset.....stranger things have happened though!

    Few interesting match ups:

    1) Buckley vs Mike Ross - Denis is possibly 5th choice loosehead (at best) for Ireland but he's been brilliant in the first two games and key to a very dominant scrum. If he could get the measure of Ross it would certainly raise a few eye brows

    2) Marmion vs Boss + Reddan - can he outshine both of them? On a side note, by my reckoning Marmion is playing in his 59th consecutive game this weekend. He has played in every single game since he made his debut in the first league game of the 2012/2013 season.....he has also started all but 2 of those games!! He makes Heaslip look like Luke Fitzgerald! :D

    3) Henshaw vs Madigan + Macken - can he put in a big performance with the vast majority of Irish rugby fans watching? Personally I expect him to be like a bull after last week where he was very sloppy but aside from throwing himself about physically can he actually shape the game with big line breaks, offloads, tries etc...

    4) Leader vs Kearney - Kearney looks to be in great form, big test for our young fullback. Added pressure of place kicks isn't helping him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭evil_seed


    I'm expecting Leinster to win by 14+ points in this one.

    It's all well and good having won our 1st 2 games but realistically we're not near the level of Leinster, as much as I hate to admit it. Leinster have a serious pack for this and with both Gopperth and Madigan they have 2 game changers in the backs that have good distribution.

    I'd love a repeat of us beating them out the gate but I think it'll be a reverse of that this time around


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    molloyjh wrote: »
    Byrne was selected for the Leinster Academy when Delahunt wasn't. Thats a decent barometer.


    OH Really? McSharry was fired by Leinster and still did Emerging Ireland
    Matt Healy is a great winger and came from Dublin
    D.Fanning played for Connacht 3 or 4 years ago and was released. Meanwhile he'll play for Leinster t'morrow


    Provinces make mistakes with very young talents, hard to anticipate how they develop on a 5-10 years period. they make choices, especially when there are 2 or 3 contenders for a single contract. But these choices are sometimes 45-55, which could easily turn itself to the reverse, in the professional arena


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    S12b wrote: »
    Ye sent a full strength team down last January on a perfectly still winter night and it was no stroll in the park!! ;)
    Pretty nice evening two years ago in October as well, if memory serves.

    I have no idea how this game will end up only that I'm delighted to be able to go when I expected to be elsewhere this weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Yes but Niyi won't be coming up against McFadden, on the wings it's Poolman v McFadden and Niyi v Fanning. Pretty even IMO.
    Also, it's Buckley v Ross in the scrum. Ross on paper but he might be in for a surprise...
    I'm going to say Mc Sharry & Henshaw > Madigan & Macken



    Here we are, you illustrate my arguments better! thanks:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭former legend


    I'm loving this build-up, it's like a Leinster v Munster thread, there must really be some serious optimism in Connacht based on how involved the fans are getting.

    All we need now is someone to accuse Joe Schmidt of anti-Connacht bias in his Ireland selections and we're sorted!

    Re: the front-row debate; I would hope (as a Leinster fan) that it's not that important. I feel that we definitely have the better unit but the better front row does not always end up on top; if a prop picks up a strain, if the ref's interpretation goes against you etc. I'd hope and expect that we will be pretty much superior in every area of the field and that the scrum is just one aspect of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭ssaye2


    For someone tomorrow

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    I'm loving this build-up, it's like a Leinster v Munster thread, there must really be some serious optimism in Connacht based on how involved the fans are getting.

    All we need now is someone to accuse Joe Schmidt of anti-Connacht bias in his Ireland selections and we're sorted!

    Re: the front-row debate; I would hope (as a Leinster fan) that it's not that important. I feel that we definitely have the better unit but the better front row does not always end up on top; if a prop picks up a strain, if the ref's interpretation goes against you etc. I'd hope and expect that we will be pretty much superior in every area of the field and that the scrum is just one aspect of that.

    There is definitely confidence among the Connacht supporters, and rightly so tbh. There were times last season where you could see what Lam was trying to do and it looked good. Then last week we saw them win a game that, in any other season, they'd have normally lost. There is no question in my mind they are going the right direction.

    And remember there's a good number of young lads in that squad that this is being built around.

    Dragons and Edinburgh are poor sides. Yet Connacht made incredibly hard work of beating Edinburgh last week. There were good chunks of the game they were simply shooting themselves in the foot. For all the positives about winning that game it will require a big improvement this week to get the win. They do tend to produce their best against us so I'm expecting it to be fairly tight, but like I said earlier you'd have to back the side with the dozen internationals versus the side with 1 or 2.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    It is not enough that Leinster win but Connacht must lose :D:D:D

    Famous last words and all that :pac::pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    molloyjh wrote: »
    There is definitely confidence among the Connacht supporters, and rightly so tbh. There were times last season where you could see what Lam was trying to do and it looked good. Then last week we saw them win a game that, in any other season, they'd have normally lost. There is no question in my mind they are going the right direction.

    And remember there's a good number of young lads in that squad that this is being built around.

    Dragons and Edinburgh are poor sides. Yet Connacht made incredibly hard work of beating Edinburgh last week. There were good chunks of the game they were simply shooting themselves in the foot. For all the positives about winning that game it will require a big improvement this week to get the win. They do tend to produce their best against us so I'm expecting it to be fairly tight, but like I said earlier you'd have to back the side with the dozen internationals versus the side with 1 or 2.

    You didn't answer to my "academies" examples


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    connachta wrote: »
    OH Really? McSharry was fired by Leinster and still did Emerging Ireland

    Provinces make mistakes with very young talents, hard to anticipate how they develop on a 5-10 years period. they make choices, especially when there are 2 or 3 contenders for a single contract. But these choices are sometimes 45-55, which could easily turn itself to the reverse, in the professional arena

    McSharry was never fired by Leinster. He was never under contract with Leinster. He was in the sub-academy and his leg injury prevented him from playing u20 rugby and he became an unattractive option for recruitment into the Academy.

    I know it's silly to harp on about such a minor point, but I just need to reiterate that in no way is it an even match up when comparing Bryan Byrne and Shane Delahunt. One has played hooker all through school, was taken straight into the academy, is in his final year and was the starting hooker for a Clontarf side that won the league last season. The other only made the switch to hooker last season and is in his first year in the Connacht Academy. Let's be real here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭freyners


    sydthebeat wrote:
    i think connacht are in for a rude awakening here.
    This isnt a leinster squad going to the sportsground in the rain and sleet of a christmas week, with internationals injured or rested from November exertions.
    Last time that happened it was a 34-6 win for us:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Hagz wrote: »
    McSharry was never fired by Leinster. He was never under contract with Leinster. He was in the sub-academy and his leg injury prevented him from playing u20 rugby and he became an unattractive option for recruitment into the Academy.

    Just a shortcut, the idea is 'an unattractive player could prove being a good option in the end". Hope the same for Roux

    I know it's silly to harp on about such a minor point, but I just need to reiterate that in no way is it an even match up when comparing Bryan Byrne and Shane Delahunt. One has played hooker all through school, was taken straight into the academy, is in his final year and was the starting hooker for a Clontarf side that won the league last season. The other only made the switch to hooker last season and is in his first year in the Connacht Academy. Let's be real here.


    Made an U20 6 nation appearance to be more balanced


    right


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    connachta wrote: »
    You didjn't answer to my "academies" examples

    I'm not sure what I can say tbh. You said that sometimes academies get it wrong. They do. I could counter with the fact that more often than not they get it right, but we're entering the realms of the hypothetical and we have no way of knowing if it even applies in this case.

    Byrne was accepted into the Academy where-as Delahunt wasn't. Byrne went on to play a role in the Leinster A B&I successes. He has now started getting game time with the senior squad. He has followed the path mapped out in the Academy pretty well. And he's getting game time ahead of Dundon who is a decent and experienced hooker. What has Delahunt done? And is he only getting a shot here through injury?

    I'm not trying to be smug here by any means. If Delahunt turns out to be a fantastic hooker than that can only be a good thing all round. But you seem to be basing a lot of your argument about Delahunt (and other players) on the possibility that you might be right rather than on anything concrete and meaningful. Maybe you are, but all the evidence thus far would suggest the opposite. And that's all any of us can really go on so far.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    connachta wrote: »
    Made an U20 6 nation appearance to be more balanced

    Byrne has 6 U20 caps. This is just getting daft now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    connachta wrote:
    Just a shortcut, the idea is 'an unattractive player could prove being a good option in the end".

    I'm not arguing that. I'm addressing your original point that Delahunt and Byrne are even. Delahunt may well prove to be a good option in the end, but tomorrow night is not the end. Tomorrow night is the present, and presently Byrne is a level above Delahunt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭former legend


    connachta wrote: »
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    Made an U20 6 nation appearance to be more balanced

    You seem to be arguing "Delahunt is a good player" when the actual argument is "Byrne is a better prospect/more developed".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Hagz wrote: »
    I'm not arguing that. I'm addressing your original point that Delahunt and Byrne are even. Delahunt may well prove to be a good option in the end, but tomorrow night is not the end. Tomorrow night is the present, and presently Byrne is a level above Delahunt.

    I didn't say they're even. I said they will both play 10-15 minutes in the end, both inexperienced when professional pressure comes in tight match, so it could well end to a draw. maybe a 0-0 draw, no scrum no darts for them, who knows? My point is none of them is ready to be decisive, and both of them could collapse..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    molloyjh wrote: »
    I'm not sure what I can say tbh. You said that sometimes academies get it wrong. They do. I could counter with the fact that more often than not they get it right, but we're entering the realms of the hypothetical and we have no way of knowing if it even applies in this case.

    Byrne was accepted into the Academy where-as Delahunt wasn't. Byrne went on to play a role in the Leinster A B&I successes. He has now started getting game time with the senior squad. He has followed the path mapped out in the Academy pretty well. And he's getting game time ahead of Dundon who is a decent and experienced hooker. What has Delahunt done? And is he only getting a shot here through injury?

    I'm not trying to be smug here by any means. If Delahunt turns out to be a fantastic hooker than that can only be a good thing all round. But you seem to be basing a lot of your argument about Delahunt (and other players) on the possibility that you might be right rather than on anything concrete and meaningful. Maybe you are, but all the evidence thus far would suggest the opposite. And that's all any of us can really go on so far.


    Agree I admit about those ponderate words


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    It wasn't very clear by what you meant to be honest. Usually when people do a head to head comparison of players, it's an indication as to who is the better player in a general sense. So when someone has two players down as a draw, it generally translated that they think both players are pretty evenly matched.

    But if you meant that they will draw because they will both get minimal game-time and thus minimal opportunities to make any impact, then I can't disagree too much with that.


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    freyners wrote: »
    Last time that happened it was a 34-6 win for us:eek:

    the very reason i dont think we are going there with anything but focus and fight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    For those that are travelling to the match tomorrow night, the Connacht Clan supporters club will be interviewing Danie Pooleman after the game in the Clan bar.

    All are welcome, if you visit our supporters site/forum there are plenty of suggestions/advice as to where to go for festivities afterwards where your match ticket may even get you some free pints and you can discuss the match all over again with opposition supporters and your own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    freyners wrote: »
    Last time that happened it was a 34-6 win for us:eek:

    The Leinster team we hammered 34-6 a couple of years ago was as follows:

    Kearney
    McFadden
    Macken
    D'Arcy
    Carr
    Madigan
    Cooney

    van der Merwe
    Sexton
    Hagan
    Denton
    Roux
    Marshall
    Jennings
    Auva'a

    They also brough Cronin, Healy, Ross, Toner, Jordi Murphy, Luke McGrath, Noel Reid and Isa Nacewa off the bench, and had Uncle Joe in charge

    Not a bad team either


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭AngeGal


    connachta wrote: »

    Not a bad team either

    Not a bad team at all but the difference in the two packs is considerable tbf. Looking forward to seeing Denis Buckley. Really think Buckley has all the tools if he stays disciplined to reach the highest levels but tomorrow will tell us alot more.

    Connacht are obviously underdogs but we have a puncher's chance. If we make it very competitive affair (picking up a lbp if we do lose) putting in our best performance of the season thus far and avoid any more bloody injuries, I'd be very happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    connachta wrote: »
    The Leinster team we hammered 34-6 a couple of years ago was as follows:

    Kearney
    McFadden
    Macken
    D'Arcy
    Carr
    Madigan
    Cooney

    van der Merwe
    Sexton
    Hagan
    Denton
    Roux
    Marshall
    Jennings
    Auva'a

    They also brough Cronin, Healy, Ross, Toner, Jordi Murphy, Luke McGrath, Noel Reid and Isa Nacewa off the bench, and had Uncle Joe in charge

    Not a bad team either

    They also lost D'Arcy in the first ten minutes and had to put Reid in with Macken. McSharry then proceeded to rip that untried midfield apart. It was the catalyst for our BP win which we were worth but probably would not have happened if D'Arcy was still on the pitch


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭jspuds


    Is there English commentary available even on radio?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,974 ✭✭✭connachta


    Hagz wrote: »
    It wasn't very clear by what you meant to be honest. Usually when people do a head to head comparison of players, it's an indication as to who is the better player in a general sense. So when someone has two players down as a draw, it generally translated that they think both players are pretty evenly matched.

    But if you meant that they will draw because they will both get minimal game-time and thus minimal opportunities to make any impact, then I can't disagree too much with that.

    Ok, I wasn't clear that's right

    My head-to-head is not only based on talent and experience (absolute value), I said it at first, but also on fitness and momentum for a 1 match "fight", taking place on a precise date and dynamic

    that's why I flattened the gap between Adeolakun and McFadd, the 1st is more healthy and has confidence. No way I'd say the same in absolute value

    For Delahunt/Byrne I flattened because they're young enough to both miss completely the few minutes they'll play, or simply won't touch the ball
    But if you say Byrne was that impressive last week, he had some time to find his feet, ok


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭AngeGal


    jspuds wrote: »
    Is there English commentary available even on radio?

    Galway Bay fm will be doing live commentary but it's usually five or six seconds ahead of the tv so too annoying to watch with TG4 on, if that was your plan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    its_phil wrote: »
    They also lost D'Arcy in the first ten minutes and had to put Reid in with Macken. McSharry then proceeded to rip that untried midfield apart. It was the catalyst for our BP win which we were worth but probably would not have happened if D'Arcy was still on the pitch

    We also lost Rob very early on to a back injury. Isa had to pull out of the starting XV prior to kick off with illness but was kept on the bench and ended up replacing Rob. But you're right, Reid was very green then, as was Macken. Its quite different this time around.

    Plus a few of the lads playing that day are involved again tomorrow so won't be getting complacent.


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