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seanaway wrote: »

Only if you discount that everyone gets to vote in Israel in free and fair elections.

everybody? meh, doubt it.

Timberrrrrrrr

seanaway wrote: »

Only if you discount that everyone gets to vote in Israel in free and fair elections.

Not everyone gets to vote though.

1. One in seven Palestinians can vote in Israel's elections.

Only one in seven of the total Palestinian population live inside Israel's pre-1967 borders and have citizenship. A third live under Israeli military rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and can't vote (though the Jewish settlers living among them can). Meanwhile, around half of all Palestinians are prevented from returning to their homeland by Israel; expelled and denationalised, their forced exclusion is the reason why the majority of Israel's 

seanaway

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Not everyone gets to vote though.

Do Palestinians living in Ireland get to vote in the General Election?
No.

Why not?

They aren't citizens.

Them's the rules.

Nodin

seanaway wrote: »

Do Palestinians living in Ireland get to vote in the General Election?
No.

Why not?

They aren't citizens.

Them's the rules.

Aren't you rather avoiding the fact that Israel has illegally and by force imposed its will on these people, taken much of their land, dictates their living condtions etc.....all without consent?

Timberrrrrrrr

seanaway wrote: »

Do Palestinians living in Ireland get to vote in the General Election?
No.

Why not?

They aren't citizens.

Them's the rules.

People who are living in Ireland have the chance to become citizens and get the right to vote, Palestinians are not immigrants in their own country.

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Nodin wrote: »

Aren't you rather avoiding the fact that Israel has illegally and by force imposed its will on these people, taken much of their land, dictates their living condtions etc.....all without consent?

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

People who are living in Ireland have the chance to become citizens and get the right to vote, Palestinians are not immigrants in their own country.

come on now boys, that sort don't care about those type of things. the fact he legitimizes the nonsense by talking about ireland and making soundbites like "thems the rules" says it all

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seanaway wrote: »

Do Palestinians living in Ireland get to vote in the General Election?
No.

Why not?

They aren't citizens.

Them's the rules.

thems not the rules if they become citizens in this country, which they can do so. the rules in israel don't apply as the palestinians are on their legitimate land so are automatically entitled to the same rights as all those living there whether israel likes it or not

seanaway

end of the road wrote: »

thems not the rules if they become citizens in this country, which they can do so. the rules in israel don't apply as the palestinians are on their legitimate land so are automatically entitled to the same rights as all those living there whether israel likes it or not

Thought your point was about Palestinians not being allowed to vote in Israeli elections.

Now you're arguing it isn't Israel.

Which one is it?

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seanaway wrote: »

Thought your point was about Palestinians not being allowed to vote in Israeli elections.

Now you're arguing it isn't Israel.

Which one is it?

you brought up elections in ireland so you don't get to make the point you made as its invalid unlike our points

Nodin

seanaway wrote: »

Thought your point was about Palestinians not being allowed to vote in Israeli elections.

Now you're arguing it isn't Israel.

Which one is it?

This is being obtuse for the sake of it, to be honest. Israel controls these peoples lives, refuses to go back to its own borders, but denies them a say in their own governance.

jank

To be clear, Jordan didn't give the Palestinians the right to vote or citizenship either before 1967.

The Saint

jank wrote: »

To be clear, Jordan didn't give the Palestinians the right to vote or citizenship either before 1967.

That is just patently false and just a quick look at Wikipedia shows it to be so.

In the Jordanian parliament, the West and East Banks received 30 seats each, having roughly equal populations. The first elections were held on 11 April 1950. Although the West Bank had not yet been annexed, its residents were permitted to vote. The last Jordanian elections in which West Bank residents would vote were those of April 1967, but their parliamentary representatives would continue in office until 1988, when West Bank seats were finally abolished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_occupation_of_the_West_Bank

seanaway

end of the road wrote: »

you brought up elections in ireland so you don't get to make the point you made as its invalid unlike our points

Actually, as it's a democratic forum, I do get to make my point whether you like it or not. Posssibly not though as you seem to want to silence those you do not agree with.

The question, as usual, still remains unanswered. Wonder why.

Nodin

seanaway wrote: »

Actually, as it's a democratic forum, I do get to make my point whether you like it or not. Posssibly not though as you seem to want to silence those you do not agree with.

The question, as usual, still remains unanswered. Wonder why.

What question?

seanaway

The one I posted earlier.

FYI

Thought your point was about Palestinians not being allowed to vote in Israeli elections.

Now you're arguing it isn't Israel.

Which one is it?

Nodin

seanaway wrote: »

The one I posted earlier.

FYI

Thought your point was about Palestinians not being allowed to vote in Israeli elections.

Now you're arguing it isn't Israel.

Which one is it?

It is not Israel as recognised by international law (nor Israeli law, most of it), but is subject to Israeli authority through the illegal occupation and colonisation of the area.

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jank wrote: »

To be clear, Jordan didn't give the Palestinians the right to vote or citizenship either before 1967.

wrong

seanaway

Nodin wrote: »

It is not Israel as recognised by international law (nor Israeli law, most of it), but is subject to Israeli authority through the illegal occupation and colonisation of the area.

So let's be clear. You want Palestinians to have the right to vote in elections for a territory they don't recognise and don't want to be citizens of?

Timberrrrrrrr

seanaway wrote: »

So let's be clear. You want Palestinians to have the right to vote in elections for a territory they don't recognise and don't want to be citizens of?

When the elections concern the territory they live in then yes they should have a say on who is voted in.

seanaway

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

When the elections concern the territory they live in then yes they should have a say on who is voted in.

Thereby recognising the state they do not recognise?

Timberrrrrrrr

seanaway wrote: »

Thereby recognising the state they do not recognise?

And Israel does not recognise the state of Palestine. Either way it still stands that not everyone living under Israeli rule is allowed to vote in elections.

seanaway

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And Israel does not recognise the state of Palestine. Either way it still stands that not everyone living under Israeli rule is allowed to vote in elections.

And I repeat...Thereby recognising the state they do not recognise?

Timberrrrrrrr

seanaway wrote: »

And I repeat...Thereby recognising the state they do not recognise?

Sigh

You said

seanaway wrote: »

Only if you discount that everyone gets to vote in Israel in free and fair elections.

I have shown that this is a lie, the rest of your posts are just waffle.

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seanaway wrote: »

And I repeat...Thereby recognising the state they do not recognise?

no . israel goes back within its borders. the ones it had pre 1967 before it raped slaughtered and stole land. then those left outside those borders decide their own government

johnnyskeleton

MOD: Thread closed for going way off the original topic, which was dredged up recently. But Im not censoring anyone - if someone wants to start a high quality thread about whether Palestinians should be allowed to vote for the Knesset, feel free to start one