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Rightwing

comongethappy wrote: »

And the other 140 countries of the world....especially the Muslim ones?

Are they bound by your theory too?

Whatever excuse, the inaction of the world is stark.

Countries are in Africa are busy trying to feed themselves.

Countries like Brazil/SA have criticised Israel, wuthdraw ambassadors etc

Hope this helps.

comongethappy

Rightwing wrote: »

Hope this helps.

Asks the Gazans if its helping....

If a few chastised ambassadors is as much action as the world can muster its pretty damning of the international community.

Rightwing

comongethappy wrote: »

Asks the Gazans if its helping....

If a few chastised ambassadors is as much action as the world can muster its pretty damning of the international community.

I agree. Just shows that those countries are prepared to make a small point though have some morals.

I wouldn't expect any of the countries with lets say a 'history of invasions' to be making noise.

Mr.Micro

Rightwing wrote: »

I agree. Just shows that those countries are prepared to make a small point though have some morals.

I wouldn't expect any of the countries with lets say a 'history of invasions' to be making noise.

Nobody wants to upset Uncle Sam, that is the sum of it. Pathetic. Sanctions against Russia are fine lol, until they come back to bite. The Russians putting a ban on our exports and those of the EU. It's gotta hurt.

Rightwing

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Nobody wants to upset Uncle Sam, that is the sum of it. Pathetic. Sanctions against Russia are fine lol, until they come back to bite. The Russians putting a ban on our exports and those of the EU. It's gotta hurt.

I agree about the sanctions.
It could hurt big time, but probably not the way you are thinking.

Financial markets are starting to get extremely nervous. America has taken on so much debt it can't afford the stock market to crash. If there is a crash the world will probably enter a depression.

BlaasForRafa

Hamas broke the ceasefire even before it was officially due to end. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183847#.U-RalPldV8E

These idiots are obviously willing to put people at risk for their own twisted agenda.

Harry Angstrom

18 rockets sent into Israel by Hamas this morning, and we all know what the Israeli reprisal is going to be. Hamas are just as responsible as the Israelis for the slaughter of their own people.

comongethappy

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

18 rockets sent into Israel by Hamas this morning, and we all know what the Israeli reprisal is going to be. Hamas are just as responsible as the Israelis for the slaughter of their own people.

Islamists measure victory in the blood of their own, as much as the blood of their enemies. That much is obvious.

Though, was today's rocket attacks caused by Hamas?
Have they claimed responsibility?

Harry Angstrom

comongethappy wrote: »

Islamists measure victory in the blood of their own, as much as the blood of their enemies. That much is obvious.

Though, was today's rocket attacks caused by Hamas?
Have they claimed responsibility?

If the rockets are coming from Gaza, I'd say it's a good bet that Hamas are responsible.

The more they continue with this insanity, the more misery will be piled upon the Palestinians. Is it any wonder that the Israelis won't lift the blockade? If they lift the blockade, it will only give Hamas a lot more opportunity to procure even more weaponry.

golfball37

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

18 rockets sent into Israel by Hamas this morning, and we all know what the Israeli reprisal is going to be. Hamas are just as responsible as the Israelis for the slaughter of their own people.

That's a contender for ridiculous post of the year.
The woman was asking to be raped in that skirt kinda thing.

comongethappy

golfball37 wrote: »

The woman was asking to be raped in that skirt kinda thing.

Ridiculous comparison to make....

Rightwing

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

18 rockets sent into Israel by Hamas this morning, and we all know what the Israeli reprisal is going to be. Hamas are just as responsible as the Israelis for the slaughter of their own people.

We all know Hamas are responsible.

The pertinent question being, if a rocket was fired from Manhattan, would Israel attempt to demolish it? Eh?

Harry Angstrom

golfball37 wrote: »

That's a contender for ridiculous post of the year.
The woman was asking to be raped in that skirt kinda thing.

You're pretty much up there for ridiculous post of the year yourself.

Black Swan

golfball37 wrote: »

That's a contender for ridiculous post of the year.
The woman was asking to be raped in that skirt kinda thing.

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

You're pretty much up there for ridiculous post of the year yourself.

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Harry Angstrom

Rightwing wrote: »

The pertinent question being, if a rocket was fired from Manhattan, would Israel attempt to demolish it? Eh?

Again, yet another ridiculous hypothetical analogy. It's laughable how much the Hamas sympathisers will resort to crazy comparisons in an effort to justify their violent actions.

Rightwing

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Again, yet another ridiculous hypothetical analogy. It's laughable how much the Hamas sympathisers will resort to crazy comparisons in an effort to justify their violent actions.

You miss the point. Focus on civilians, not hamas.

Hope this helps.

Harry Angstrom

Rightwing wrote: »

You miss the point. Focus on civilians, not hamas.

Hope this helps.

It is impossible to separate one from the other, given Hamas's cynical tactics.

Hope this helps.

Rightwing

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

It is impossible to separate one from the other, given Hamas's cynical tactics.

Hope this helps.

Certainly doesn't.

There is an obligation on all nations to try and minimise civilian casualities. Failure to try and seperate civilians from fighters highlights why Israel will ultimately lose out.

Harry Angstrom

Rightwing wrote: »

There is an obligation on all nations to try and minimise civilian casualities. Failure to try and seperate civilians from fighters highlights why Israel will ultimately lose out.

Which is why Hamas cynically fire rockets at Israel, knowing that the Israeli response will result in civilian casualties.

Rightwing

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Which is why Hamas cynically fire rockets at Israel, knowing that the Israeli response will result in civilian casualties.

And what does Israel do? Play straight into Hamas' hands by killing innocent children randonly instead of attempting to seperate the fighters from the children. Granted they will suffer a lot of casualties, but that's the price of war.

wes

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Hamas broke the ceasefire even before it was officially due to end. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183847#.U-RalPldV8E

These idiots are obviously willing to put people at risk for their own twisted agenda.

Interesting that no one else is reporting that for some odd reason. Seems odd that Israel National News, seems to keep reporting stories that no one else is reporting for some strange reason. I wonder why that is.....

Israel air strikes resume in Gaza amid rockets

Israel says it has resumed air strikes in Gaza after Palestinian militants fired rockets following the end of a three-day truce on Friday morning.

Israel and Hamas trade fire after truce ends

Three-day truce between Israel and Palestinian factions expires after no deal was reached in Cairo-mediated talks.

Israel has hit the Gaza Strip with missiles and artillery for the first time in three days, while Palestinian fighters launched a barrage of rockets at Israel, just hours after a ceasefire between the two sides expired.

At least three air strikes have hit different parts of Gaza so far on Friday. Al Jazeera's Andrew Simmons, reporting from Gaza City, said. Civilian casualties were reported in a strike on the north of the territory.

The Israeli army said 18 rockets were fired into southern Israel after the truce ended at 8am local time (05:00 GMT). Two of the rockets were intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defence system, while 14 fell in open areas, it said. Two other rockets reportedly landed in Gaza.

Its amazing that Israeli National News, seem to almost always be the only news source posting various stories, that are not picked up anywhere else......., and are often directly contradicted by other news sources.....

Regardless, the end of the ceasefire is awful, but we don't have the details as to who was the responsible for the failure of the talks, but Hamas should have stayed in the talks and extended the ceasefire. It was a foolish decision, not to continue with the ceasefire.

**EDIT**
I was wrong the BBC are saying the same as Israel National News, and Al Jazeera are saying otherwise quoting the IDF.....

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Harry Angstrom

Rightwing wrote: »

And what does Israel do? Play straight into Hamas' hands by killing innocent children randonly instead of attempting to seperate the fighters from the children. Granted they will suffer a lot of casualties, but that's the price of war.

And when Hamas are firing rockets into Israel, are they attempting to separate civilians from the military?? Or when a suicide bomber steps onto a bus in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, are they separating civilians from Israeli forces??

Rightwing

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

And when Hamas are firing rockets into Israel, are they attempting to separate civilians from the military?? Or when a suicide bomber steps onto a bus in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, are they separating civilians from Israeli forces??

Of course not. But you should have guessed by now that I'm very critical of hamas.

wes

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

And when Hamas are firing rockets into Israel, are they attempting to separate civilians from the military??

So? What are you getting at? That attacks on civilians are justified if the other guys does them? That logic can easily be used to justify Hamas attacks as well as IDF ones.

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Or when a suicide bomber steps onto a bus in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, are they separating civilians from Israeli forces??

When was the last suicide bombing in Israel?

old_aussie

[QUOTE
Its amazing that Israeli National News, seem to almost always be the only news source posting various stories, that are not picked up anywhere else......., and are often directly contradicted by other news sources.....


**EDIT**
I was wrong the BBC are saying the same as Israel National News, and Al Jazeera are saying otherwise quoting the IDF.....

**END EDIT***[/QUOTE]

Just saw your edit.

Woops

wes

old_aussie wrote: »

Just saw your edit.

Woops

Was my fault, I missed that there does in fairness seem to be confusion about when the rockets were fired, and both seem to be quoting the same source. Its really very strange situation, when no one can seem to agree to what has happened.

Harry Angstrom

wes wrote: »

So? What are you getting at? That attacks on civilians are justified if the other guys does them? That logic can easily be used to justify Hamas attacks as well as IDF ones.

I'm not excusing what Israel is doing, but it's the Israeli way. Everybody knows that, including Hamas. Israel have always been disposed towards extreme retaliation because they are hated throughout the Arab world, and have enemies on all sides of them.

wes wrote: »

When was the last suicide bombing in Israel?

The suicide bombings have abated, not because Islamic fundamentalists have suddenly developed a crisis of conscience, but only because Israeli security is so tight that it isn't worth their while anymore.

wes

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I'm not excusing what Israel is doing, but it's the Israeli way. Everybody knows that, including Hamas. Israel have always been disposed towards extreme retaliation because they are hated throughout the Arab world, and have enemies on all sides of them.

Ok, except that it was Israel who started attacking Hamas, that kicked of this whole latest war in the first place. The entire notion that Israel will leave Palestinians alone if there peaceful, is a fiction due to what Israel is doing in the West Bank. Palestinians are pretty much screwed no matter what they do. If there peaceful, you get settlement expansions in the West Bank, violence from the IDF and settlers and other various humiliation of a colonial settler project.

In Gaza, even if Hamas stop rocket fire, the siege continues, as the goal was never about stopping rockets (but to crush Hamas), which Hamas had stopped and even stopped other groups from doing so.

As for being surrounded by people who hate them, well there are peace deal with Egypt and Jordan, so not surrounded, and an the Arab Peace Plan on the table for over a decade.

Sorry, but Israels extreme reaction is due to wanting to be rid of as many Palestinians as possible, all part of the Greater Israel nonsense as evidence by the settlements.

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

The suicide bombings have abated, not because Islamic fundamentalists have suddenly developed a crisis of conscience, but only because Israeli security is so tight that it isn't worth their while anymore.

Except that plenty of Palestinians sneak into Israel on a regular basis to work. Hamas could if they wanted sneak people in.

Rightwing

As for the bigger picture, the likes of Israel/ISIS/Hamas are making the world are more dangerous place for us all.

wes

Interesting article I stumbled upon:

South Africa Shouldn't be Singled Out

Its amazing that a lot of the exact same arguments to defend Israel were used back in the day to defend the Apartheid regime of South Africa......

While some things may change, I guess defending colonialism doesn't change a whole lot.