Israel bombs 160 sites in Gaza overnight. Mod Warnings in First Post.

Rightwing

wes wrote: »

Yes, its completely awful that is happening. It reminds me of similar things happened after the murder of Lee Rigby, when various mosques etc were attacked in the UK. Unfortunately, racists of all stripes will use such events as an excuse to attack minorities.

I'm not sure they are racists, just uneducated people looking for aggression.

wes

Mr.Micro wrote: »

That might explain why Netanyahu is asking for people to support Israel in the fight. Who is he fooling?

Sure, Al Qaeda tried to pull that same nonsense as well, when there own attacks directly caused a huge rise in hatred against Muslims.

brian ireland

brian ireland wrote: »

I have a friend who lives in Gaza, he is Muslim but I am not (not that it matters) He volunteers for freedom aid in Gaza. They have no money or income so I try and send some money over when I can to buy food for his family.
They are peaceful and very nice people. I ring every day to get updates but I have to say its a bit depressing hearing the stories about the people being slaughtered and the fear in his voice as the bombs explode behind him while on the phone.
He told me they have nowhere to go and are just waiting to die. Yesterday they decided to go to a UN school as it might have some protection, they did but tonight they returned home to shower and get some food. Just an hour ago Israel bombed his street with white phosphor now he his father and grandfather are choking from the chemical. He posted some gruesome photo on Facebook of his friends and neighbors dismembered bodies. Kids with their arms, stomach, legs all in pieces blown to bits. I can’t repost them because my Facebook friends would be too shocked and sickened.
I can’t pray for them him and his family because I don’t pray. With all the debate about who is to blame these poor people are suffering for the crime of being born in Gaza.

brian ireland wrote: »

The UN School my friend was staying in was bombed today by Israel. He went home and the military ordered 20 of them to walk down the street. 5 of them where shot dead. This is just crazy.

My cousin is married to a man from Israel so I know people on both sides. This is just murder in my view. These are just village people nothing else. The emergency services are targets too, they can't help the injured or they could be shot trying.

I am sure some politicians or people with power read boards as this is a politics forum

You have to ask yourself if you have the power to make your voice heard to save innocent people on both sides.
Why are you in your job if you stay silent?

Just found this on the net

This is my friend Walid in this video standing on what was his house! I know this is a politics thread and this is not politics but its a chapter in the story

walshb

wes wrote: »

Yes, its completely awful that is happening. It reminds me of similar things happened after the murder of Lee Rigby, when various mosques etc were attacked in the UK. Unfortunately, racists of all stripes will use such events as an excuse to attack minorities.

We're not far behind the French as regards anti Semitism.

Rightwing

walshb wrote: »

We're not far behind the French as regards anti Semitism.

I think that's a cop out.

Anti semitism not = brutality on behalf on Israel.

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

We're not far behind the French as regards anti Semitism.

And this is based on what, exactly?

Rightwing

Nodin wrote: »

And this is based on what, exactly?

I suspect absolute rubbish...considering there are more jews in france than any other country in Europe.

walshb

Interesting article in Saturday's Indo in the review section about Irish-Jewish relations. Horrid History I think it was called. Also, didn't the Israeli ambassador, or someone similar say that we were the most anti Israeli European nation?

Add in that many of my FB friends are now Israeli-Gaza experts.:)

Social media awash with every tom dick and harry battling to berate Israel. Not out of a love for the Palestinians, or even much sympathy, just a good excuse to bash Israel.

It's our favourite annoying national pastime at the moment. Spoofing about Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

Interesting article in Saturday's Indo in the review section about Irish-Jewish relations. Horrid History I think it was called. Also, didn't the Israeli ambassador, or someone similar say that we were the most anti Israeli European nation?

Add in that many of my FB friends are now Israeli-Gaza experts.:)

Social media awash with every tom dick and harry battling to berate Israel. Not out of a love for the Palestinians, or even much sympathy, just a good excuse to bash Israel.

It's our favourite annoying national pastime at the moment. Spoofing about Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Sorry, you stated "We're not far behind the French as regards anti Semitism. " - Would you care to back that up?

Rightwing

walshb wrote: »

Interesting article in Saturday's Indo in the review section about Irish-Jewish relations. Horrid History I think it was called. Also, didn't the Israeli ambassador, or someone similar say that we were the most anti Israeli European nation?

Add in that many of my FB friends are now Israeli-Gaza experts.:)

Social media awash with every tom dick and harry battling to berate Israel. Not out of a love for the Palestinians, or even much sympathy, just a good excuse to bash Israel.

It's our favourite annoying national pastime at the moment. Spoofing about Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

I agree many mightn't know about it, and I'm no expert. However, I know when I see wrongs being committed. I'm no more anti jew than I am anti catholic or protestant. I am anti Israel policy. Big difference.

Manach

I vaguely recall an ex-Minsiter lecturing people on how Ireland is in no place to judge history based on the deep, deep anti-Semitic history of a boycott of Jewish shops in Limerick pre-WWI. I'm unsure if it was ever pointed out to him the contextually picture, especially in light of the pogroms in Eastern Europe at the time that had laid the foundations of classic Zionism (from a text on Israel Palestine by Martin Burton )

johnnyskeleton

Manach wrote: »

I vaguely recall an ex-Minsiter lecturing people on how Ireland is in no place to judge history based on the deep, deep anti-Semitic history of a boycott of Jewish shops in Limerick pre-WWI. I'm unsure if it was ever pointed out to him the contextually picture, especially in light of the pogroms in Eastern Europe at the time that had laid the foundations of classic Zionism (from a text on Israel Palestine by Martin Burton )

Somethig people forget about that is that after fleeing Limerick many of the jews were warmly welcomed in Cork and Cobh.

walshb

There is conflicts and deaths all over the world, but when Israel are involved it always seems to bring out the masses here.

BlaasForRafa

walshb wrote: »

There is conflicts and deaths all over the world, but when Israel are involved it always seems to bring out the masses here.

If it's muslims bombing the sh**e out of each other then no-one cares too much but mention that israel/jews are involved and it brings em out of the woodwork.

K-9

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Rightwing

walshb wrote: »

There is conflicts and deaths all over the world, but when Israel are involved it always seems to bring out the masses here.

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

If it's muslims bombing the sh**e out of each other then no-one cares too much but mention that israel/jews are involved and it brings em out of the woodwork.

There is truth in this.

The reason being the 1 sided nature of it. Very few neutrals can't be touched by the stories such as 'an emergency pregnancy, baby born, mother and the rest of family dies'. Or just the total destruction of Gaza.

The World's media is also there. To think that it's just here is naive in the extreme.

whatstherush

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

If it's muslims bombing the sh**e out of each other then no-one cares too much but mention that israel/jews are involved and it brings em out of the woodwork.

Why does one side of this minor little conflict that we shouldn't give a ****e about, have the most powerful political lobby in the most powerful country, justifying their every action?

If as you contend this is a little back water conflict why does this lobby exist?

Leftist

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

If it's muslims bombing the sh**e out of each other then no-one cares too much but mention that israel/jews are involved and it brings em out of the woodwork.

Israel is a western ally.

If Syria was concentrating this level of strength and ferocity on a walled city like gaza while being backed by the US as victims, then people would be as outraged.

the insinuation that people care because it's 'jews' is an insinuation that criticism of israeli force and brutality is anti-semitic.

Which apart from being lazy and pathetic, actually insults the sincerity of genuine ant-semitism.

You don't have to be anti-Eastern Orthodox to be against Serbian brutality during the 90s.
or anti White African to be against SA apartheid.
Or Anti-Catholic to be against the Provos etc.

wes

Leftist wrote: »

Israel is a western ally.

To add to that, being a Western ally, and also a major trading partner with the EU, and the lack of sanctions by our governments, mean that we are in a position to do something.

In the case of Syria, Assad is already under sanctions as are some of the groups fighting against him.

Israel however have escaped sanctions for some bizarre reason, and are given a free hand. The massive hypocrisy, is also a huge reason why people are annoyed. On the one hand Russia is sanctioned for expanding outside her borders into the Crimea, and on the other the West is supporting Israel doing the same thing in the West Bank.

seanaway

Leftist wrote: »

Israel is a western ally.

'' ....actually insults the sincerity of genuine ant-semitism.''

What a viscious statement.

Rightwing

seanaway wrote: »

Leftist wrote: »

Israel is a western ally.

'' ....actually insults the sincerity of genuine ant-semitism.''

What a viscious statement.

What does that even mean ?

I think the French foreign minister came up with the potential solution today.

This needs to be taken out of Israel's control. They are clearly not fit for purpose.

Leftist

seanaway wrote: »

What a viscious statement.

explain.

BlaasForRafa

Reports of Hamas arresting people who protested against them in Gaza and executing at least 30 people, free speech in action in Gaza eh.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183741#.U-Cy0_ldV8E

wes

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Reports of Hamas arresting people who protested against them in Gaza and executing at least 30 people, free speech in action in Gaza eh.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183741#.U-Cy0_ldV8E

Yeah, that was from a week ago, have yet to see anywhere that isn't an Israeli news source report that either, for some reason.

In fact a lot of the claims only seem to show up in Israeli media, like Hamas firing from near a hospital, and yet media organization from the rest of the world, haven't found any such evidence...... Seems to me that sections of the Israeli media are acting as war cheerleaders, and not news organizations.

Rightwing

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Reports of Hamas arresting people who protested against them in Gaza and executing at least 30 people, free speech in action in Gaza eh.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183741#.U-Cy0_ldV8E

The few who remain after a most indiscriminate massacre.

2 wrongs don't make a right. Never was that phrase more apt that in this conflict.

Gringo180

walshb wrote: »

There is conflicts and deaths all over the world, but when Israel are involved it always seems to bring out the masses here.

Maybe because this conflict has been going on for decades and the Palestinians have had not only there land taken but have suffered mass genocide for too long against one of the strongest armies on the planet. People are sick to there stomach of the treatment of innocent Palestinians and rightfully so.

BlaasForRafa

wes wrote: »

Yeah, that was from a week ago, have yet to see anywhere that isn't an Israeli news source report that either, for some reason.

In fact a lot of the claims only seem to show up in Israeli media, like Hamas firing from near a hospital, and yet media organization from the rest of the world, haven't found any such evidence...... Seems to me that sections of the Israeli media are acting as war cheerleaders, and not news organizations.

Western reporters in Gaza see what Hamas want them to see. Israeli news organizations would have their own network of contacts with palestinians built up over decades.

Gringo180

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Western reporters in Gaza see what Hamas want them to see. Israeli news organizations would have their own network of contacts with palestinians built up over decades.

Do you not think Israeli news organisations would be biased towards there own country in news reports?

wes

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Western reporters in Gaza see what Hamas want them to see.

According to you. Seems to me, they have free reign, as Hamas were rather busy fighting the IDF.

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Israeli news organizations would have their own network of contacts with palestinians built up over decades.

They would also have a rather clear bias, as evidenced by the war cheer leading they have been engaged. For example, after the 3 settler teenagers were kidnapped, the Israeli media received a gag order to stop them reporting that they were taught to be dead and that Hamas weren't involved, now I don't expect the Israeli media to break this order, but the fact that they egged the whole thing on, while knowing the truth, destroys there credibility imho.

Also, the fact that the Israeli government can gag anything the media reports, for dubious reasons, also means that the Israeli media can't be trusted. Even if they had information that says something different, they can't report it, and we won't know until long after. So, even if a Israeli media organization are fair and balanced in there reporting, we have no idea if there being gagged by there government, as they were earlier in regards to the kidnap and murder of the 3 settler teenagers.

walshb

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Reports of Hamas arresting people who protested against them in Gaza and executing at least 30 people, free speech in action in Gaza eh.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183741#.U-Cy0_ldV8E

Hamas has enough to be dealing with when fighting the might of the Israeli war machine to then have to be fighting against Palestinians as well. Not surprised they were executed.