Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread IV

Pink Fairy · 24-01-2016 3:43pm

Donnacha O'Callaghan trolling the fck out of us there by saying TOL will be welcomed on as he's going to raise the tempo of the game

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 24-01-2016 3:49pm

will conor o shea be in charge of munster next season, is this going to happen.

Pink Fairy · 24-01-2016 3:50pm

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

will conor o shea be in charge of munster next season, is this going to happen.

No, he's almost nailed on for the Italian job, he wants international rugby, could be looking to succeed JS in a few years

razorblunt · 24-01-2016 4:05pm

Only caught the last ten minutes. commentary would put you to sleep.

DDC1990 · 24-01-2016 4:32pm

razorblunt wrote: »

Only caught the last ten minutes. commentary would put you to sleep.

Match would have put you to sleep as well.

F-ck me, the referee tried everything in his power to even things up. We should have won by 40+, and we didn't even play well.

1 sure try overturned, 3 attacks in the 22 called back for questionable (and incorrect) forward pass calls. Rediculous mismanagement of the scrums, letting the Italians bore in and up.

No momentum in the game thanks to constant whistling. Dire altogether.

DDC1990 · 24-01-2016 4:32pm

razorblunt wrote: »

Only caught the last ten minutes. commentary would put you to sleep.

Match would have put you to sleep as well.

F-ck me, the referee tried everything in his power to even things up. We should have won by 40+, and we didn't even play well.

1 sure try overturned, 3 attacks in the 22 called back for questionable (and incorrect) forward pass calls. Rediculous mismanagement of the scrums, letting the Italians bore in and up.

No momentum in the game thanks to constant whistling. Dire altogether.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 24-01-2016 4:32pm

Pink Fairy wrote: »

No, he's almost nailed on for the Italian job, he wants international rugby, could be looking to succeed JS in a few years

thats a shame, he would be perfect for munster.
i know thats harsh on foley, but i am of the belief that foley will be gone soon anyway.
Munster have a chance to get a proven coach for next season.
time to bite the bullet.

phog · 24-01-2016 10:14pm

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

will conor o shea be in charge of munster next season, is this going to happen.

In charge of what?

Imho, O'Shea is more suited to CEO or DoR but I wouldn't back him for Head Coach.

jacothelad · 24-01-2016 10:39pm

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

thats a shame, he would be perfect for munster.
i know thats harsh on foley, but i am of the belief that foley will be gone soon anyway.
Munster have a chance to get a proven coach for next season.
time to bite the bullet.

phog wrote: »

In charge of what?

Imho, O'Shea is more suited to CEO or DoR but I wouldn't back him for Head Coach.

Correct. He is not a coach at 'Quins, He is the Director of Rugby. The main man is Head Coach John Kingston along with Mark Mapletoft and Tony Diprose among others.

O'Shea wouldn't be able to replace Axel. He isn't a hands on coach despite the inaccuracies blathered in the Indo and Times by authors too lazy to do proper research or who simply lack the understanding of his position. He fulfils the same job that David Humphreys did at Ulster.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 24-01-2016 10:58pm

jacothelad wrote: »

Correct. He is not a coach at 'Quins, He is the Director of Rugby. The main man is Head Coach John Kingston along with Mark Mapletoft and Tony Diprose among others.

O'Shea wouldn't be able to replace Axel. He isn't a hands on coach despite the inaccuracies blathered in the Indo and Times by authors too lazy to do proper research or who simply lack the understanding of his position. He fulfils the same job that David Humphreys did at Ulster.

So can you explain what is the difference between the roles of foley at munster and oshea at quins.

irishbucsfan · 24-01-2016 11:20pm

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

So can you explain what is the difference between the roles of foley at munster and oshea at quins.

Axel Foley is the head coach of Munster. He handles coaching on a day to day basis. Fitzgerald handles a lot of the off field rugby related issues like player contracts etc.

O'Shea has never been a head coach. He was Director of Operations/rugby with LI and then worked for the RFU as a blazer and now is Director of Rugby at Quins. His job is more like Fitzgerald's job with Munster except with more oversight on the rugby side and most likely less oversight on the operational/financial side.

He's be ideal for Italy if they paired him with quality Italian coaches though, especially if he was then afforded time to do work with the off-field development of Italian rugby and improving their frameworks of bring players from the S10 through and better use of resources at pro level, which they really need, he could become an Italian legend.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 24-01-2016 11:36pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Axel Foley is the head coach of Munster. He handles coaching on a day to day basis. Fitzgerald handles a lot of the off field rugby related issues like player contracts etc.

O'Shea has never been a head coach. He was Director of Operations/rugby with LI and then worked for the RFU as a blazer and now is Director of Rugby at Quins. His job is more like Fitzgerald's job with Munster except with more oversight on the rugby side and most likely less oversight on the operational/financial side.

He's be ideal for Italy if they paired him with quality Italian coaches though, especially if he was then afforded time to do work with the off-field development of Italian rugby and improving their frameworks of bring players from the S10 through and better use of resources at pro level, which they really need, he could become an Italian legend.

does conor o shea hire and fire HIS coaches at quins
does he pick the team
does he pick the tactics
the answer is yes.

COS is not a CEO or a CFO, hes a DOR/manager of a rugby team.

irishbucsfan · 24-01-2016 11:46pm

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

does conor o shea hire and fire HIS coaches at quins
does he pick the team
does he pick the tactics
the answer is yes.

COS is not a CEO or a CFO, hes a DOR/manager of a rugby team.

Those responsibilities are mixes between Kingston and O'Shea. Kingston wasn't hired by O'Shea either, he has been there since before O'Shea and ran the show after bloodgate when Richards got banned. He's much closer to what Foley brings to Munster than what O'Shea would bring.

To compare it to another province, O'Shea is like a more powerful version of what Guy Easterby does for Leinster.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 25-01-2016 9:16am

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Those responsibilities are mixes between Kingston and O'Shea. Kingston wasn't hired by O'Shea either, he has been there since before O'Shea and ran the show after bloodgate when Richards got banned. He's much closer to what Foley brings to Munster than what O'Shea would bring.

To compare it to another province, O'Shea is like a more powerful version of what Guy Easterby does for Leinster.

i have never heard of kingston, never seen a pre or post match comment from him.
if you check the gloucester and quins websites, you will see under coaching Humphrey and oshea as number 1 coaching staff.
you will see many media references to david humphryes gloucester, osheas harlequins, dai youngs wasps - travel to X, beat X etc etc.

Conor Oshea is the manager of quins rugby players and coaching staff.
he picks the team.
he picks the tactics.
he picks new recruits.
he talks to the media pre and post match.
his role is nothing like guy easterby.

Cookiemunster · 25-01-2016 11:22am

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

i have never heard of kingston, never seen a pre or post match comment from him.
if you check the gloucester and quins websites, you will see under coaching Humphrey and oshea as number 1 coaching staff.
you will see many media references to david humphryes gloucester, osheas harlequins, dai youngs wasps - travel to X, beat X etc etc.

Conor Oshea is the manager of quins rugby players and coaching staff.
he picks the team.
he picks the tactics.
he picks new recruits.
he talks to the media pre and post match.
his role is nothing like guy easterby.

http://www.quins.co.uk/team/coaching-staff/
Kingston is right next to O'Shea. It says O'Shea is DOR and Kingston is head coach. O'Shea doesn't do any coaching. He delegates it to Kingston and his assistant coaches.

irishbucsfan · 25-01-2016 12:52pm

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

i have never heard of kingston, never seen a pre or post match comment from him.

That's not necessarily a reflection on him at all.

Speaking of Humphreys, I'm sure you've heard of Laurie Fisher? Very similar setup

nerd69 · 25-01-2016 12:53pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

http://www.quins.co.uk/team/coaching-staff/
Kingston is right next to O'Shea. It says O'Shea is DOR and Kingston is head coach. O'Shea doesn't do any coaching. He delegates it to Kingston and his assistant coaches.

But surely most of the day to day coaching would be done by the backs coach,forwards coach strength and conditioning coach etc

irishbucsfan · 25-01-2016 12:56pm

nerd69 wrote: »

But surely most of the day to day coaching would be done by the backs coach,forwards coach strength and conditioning coach etc

At Munster Foley would do a lot of day to day coaching, it's a different job

jm08 · 25-01-2016 3:05pm

nerd69 wrote: »

But surely most of the day to day coaching would be done by the backs coach,forwards coach strength and conditioning coach etc

Foley is Munster's Forwards Coach (Mick O'Driscoll helps out with lineout and Jerry Flannery Scrum).

don't forget as well, Munster have two training centres.

Cookiemunster · 25-01-2016 3:11pm

nerd69 wrote: »

But surely most of the day to day coaching would be done by the backs coach,forwards coach strength and conditioning coach etc

Isn't that what I said? The coaches do the coaching, the DOR doesn't. Munster don't have a DOR. Foley and his staff do the coaching.

jm08 · 25-01-2016 4:22pm

Worth noting as well, that Garrett Fitz has a playing/coaching/business background which would be very similar to Conor O'Shea and it seems that John Kelly (playing/Business background) is being groomed to take over from Garrett Fitz when he retires.

Not sure how Conor O'Shea could be a good fit in that setup.

irishbucsfan · 25-01-2016 4:30pm

jm08 wrote: »

Worth noting as well, that Garrett Fitz has a playing/coaching/business background which would be very similar to Conor O'Shea and it seems that John Kelly (playing/Business background) is being groomed to take over from Garrett Fitz when he retires.

Not sure how Conor O'Shea could be a good fit in that setup.

Well Quins have a CEO, Ellis. I think it'd actually be like a more empowered version of Niall O'Donovan's job. A mixture between O'Donovan and Fitzgerald maybe. It would take a structural change.

jm08 · 25-01-2016 5:00pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Well Quins have a CEO, Ellis. I think it'd actually be like a more empowered version of Niall O'Donovan's job. A mixture between O'Donovan and Fitzgerald maybe. It would take a structural change.

Probably yes. The difference with say Munster is that the CEO does the legwork for recruitment (for instance, it was Garret Fitz who contacted Wayne Smith who recommended Rob Penney) and negotiation of contracts.

Mick Dawson also seems to work like that, whereas Logan in Ulster just would not have the experience so they have a someone else doing it for them.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 25-01-2016 5:41pm

conor o shea would be a perfect fit for munster. he has the experience munster need right now.
also i would not be surprised if leinster went after him.
cullen and foley were promoted too soon and without outside coaching experience. both decisions still make no sense.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 25-01-2016 5:41pm

conor o shea would be a perfect fit for munster. he has the experience munster need right now.
also i would not be surprised if leinster went after him.
cullen and foley were promoted too soon and without outside coaching experience. both decisions still make no sense.

jm08 · 25-01-2016 6:04pm

Magnus Muscular Meadowlark wrote: »

conor o shea would be a perfect fit for munster. he has the experience munster need right now.
also i would not be surprised if leinster went after him.
cullen and foley were promoted too soon and without outside coaching experience. both decisions still make no sense.

Is the experience you are talking of Harlequin's failure to qualify for the Champions Cup last season despite being free to sign anyone they want? (they were 8th in the league:rolleyes:)

thomond2006 · 25-01-2016 6:17pm

It doesn't read like DOC and Conway will be available for Zebre, they are only coming back to 'modified' training. CJ Stander, James Cronin, Keith Earls, Conor Murray, Tommy O'Donnell, Donnacha Ryan and Simon Zebo are all in Irish camp.

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/21958.php#.VqZYLfkrLcs

lazybones32 · 25-01-2016 6:54pm

Any word on Duncan Williams? TOL will surely be starting at the weekend but Duncan didn't play in the BaI game and no-one seems to know what's up.
Seeing as Doyle has a concussion, he prob. won't be available, so JOD will be at 7 but who'll cover?

tommycahir · 25-01-2016 9:55pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

Any word on Duncan Williams? TOL will surely be starting at the weekend but Duncan didn't play in the BaI game and no-one seems to know what's up.
Seeing as Doyle has a concussion, he prob. won't be available, so JOD will be at 7 but who'll cover?

Nearly sure I seen a pic retweeted from mrsc earlier today in which he (Duncan) was standing in with some supporters after the match, so looks like he travelled so must have been some doubt over Murray or TOL before the match.

phog · 25-01-2016 11:09pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

Any word on Duncan Williams? TOL will surely be starting at the weekend but Duncan didn't play in the BaI game and no-one seems to know what's up.
Seeing as Doyle has a concussion, he prob. won't be available, so JOD will be at 7 but who'll cover?

A backrow from Billy, Coghlan, JOD and Shane Buckley ?

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