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GoT Illiterate Season 4 finale *HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS*

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    #482
    Awkward Badger
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    twinex wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me (more specific than Easteros) where Varys and Tyrion are going?, that is if it was mentioned of course.

    There wasn't anything more specific said I don't think. Just Jamie saying Varys had secured passage to Essos.


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    #483
    Adamocovic
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    Pugsly wrote: »
    There wasn't anything more specific said I don't think. Just Jamie saying Varys had secured passage to Essos.

    Nice new locations for next year, also wonder what will happen with Stannis now, will he ride to the north to take Winterfell off the Boltons or will he help fight the walkers?


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    #484
    bren2001
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    Adamocovic wrote: »
    Nice new locations for next year, also wonder what will happen with Stannis now, will he ride to the north to take Winterfell off the Boltons or will he help fight the walkers?

    I presumed they were heading to Bravos, although it is not mentioned at all.

    The Stannis arc is interesting. He owes the Iron Bank a lot of money which means he cant stay and fight the Walkers. I imagine he plans on riding south and getting the North to rally around him. He needs to take KL to start financing his debt.


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    #485
    SamAK
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Can someone confirm for me if John Snow knows about his brother and stepmother?

    h9D0E9BE9


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    #486
    twinex
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    Pugsly wrote: »
    There wasn't anything more specific said I don't think. Just Jamie saying Varys had secured passage to Essos.

    Essos of course. (Easteros!?, jesus)


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    #487
    Timmyctc
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    twinex wrote: »
    Essos of course. (Easteros!?, jesus)

    I quite like easteros :pac:


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    #488
    challengemaster
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    twinex wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me (more specific than Easteros) where Varys and Tyrion are going?, that is if it was mentioned of course.

    Essos is the entire continent, it was mentioned that the ship is heading to the Free Cities.

    That means its one of the following

    Braavos · Lorath · Norvos · Qohor · Pentos · Tyrosh · Myr · Lys · Volantis


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    #489
    DL Saint
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    So wait.....is Stannis a "Good Guy" now? Has he always been? Could it be possible that he recruits a strong wildling force and then rally up the remaining Northerners and maybe even the army of the Vale? Then you would have Stannis' Army, The Red Woman, The Golden Company, Wildling Force, Armies Loyal to the Starks, Army of the Vale (and maybe even the Tyrells) , Brotherhood without Banners Vs. Boltons and a diminishing Lannister Force...If that were the case I'd say Go team Stannis. But this is GOT so Stannis will probabaly be killed by Hodor next series or something :P


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    #490
    J. Marston
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    Ser Davos for the Iron Throne.


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    #491
    mikemac1
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    Tywin threatens to hang any whore he catches with Tyrion

    And then he bangs Shea himself

    Not something I was expecting


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    #492
    quad_red
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    DL Saint wrote: »
    So wait.....is Stannis a "Good Guy" now? Has he always been? Could it be possible that he recruits a strong wildling force and then rally up the remaining Northerners and maybe even the army of the Vale? Then you would have Stannis' Army, The Red Woman, The Golden Company, Wildling Force, Armies Loyal to the Starks, Army of the Vale (and maybe even the Tyrells) , Brotherhood without Banners Vs. Boltons and a diminishing Lannister Force...If that were the case I'd say Go team Stannis. But this is GOT so Stannis will probabaly be killed by Hodor next series or something :P

    Good?

    Stannis burned his uncle alive for refusing to refute the old gods for the 'one true god'.

    I would also have serious concerns about what Mellisandre has in store for Stannis daughter who seems to have jumped from tradition and displays a personality. Not really holding out for Stannis to see the light (da dum) and protect her.

    Either way, Stannis is a ruthless, religiously fanatical bore (the last bit being the worst! ;p )


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    #493
    GerB40
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    DL Saint wrote: »
    So wait.....is Stannis a "Good Guy" now? Has he always been? Could it be possible that he recruits a strong wildling force and then rally up the remaining Northerners and maybe even the army of the Vale? Then you would have Stannis' Army, The Red Woman, The Golden Company, Wildling Force, Armies Loyal to the Starks, Army of the Vale (and maybe even the Tyrells) , Brotherhood without Banners Vs. Boltons and a diminishing Lannister Force...If that were the case I'd say Go team Stannis. But this is GOT so Stannis will probabaly be killed by Hodor next series or something :P

    Regarding whether Stannis is good or bad, he's the greyest shade of grey in a story full of grey characters..
    He does bad things (burning his uncle alive for not worshipping the lord of light, chopping Davos' fingers off for being a smuggler) but they're all, in his eyes, for the greater good.
    He never wanted to be king, it was a position that fell to him through Westeros' laws and customs. But now that he is, he will do whatever it takes to be recognized as such. Things like religion, black magic, buying mercenaries, they're all beneath Stannis but with a throne to sit on he has to lower his morals, again for the greater good.
    Basically he's neither good nor bad, but he is the lawful and rightful king of Westeros and is duty bound to fight for recognition.


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    #494
    Anachrony
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    DL Saint wrote: »
    So wait.....is Stannis a "Good Guy" now? Has he always been?

    More like Lawful Stupid. He's not the best and he's not the worst. But whatever his personal faults, he seems like the sort of guy who would actually stop his campaigning for a bit to prevent Westeros from being invaded if he gets the chance, which is more than you can say about some claimants for the Iron Throne.

    It remains to be seen if he can be convinced of the true existential threat to Westeros, but with that fire witch whispering in his ear, he's probably more predisposed to believe in ice monsters than the Lannisters would be.


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    #495
    loyatemu
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    GerB40 wrote: »
    he is the lawful and rightful king of Westeros and is duty bound to fight for recognition.

    Technically Dany is the lawful ruler - her father was overthrown in a rebellion.


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    #496
    A Neurotic
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    Technically Dany is the lawful ruler - her father was overthrown in a rebellion.

    Robert's rebellion gave him a recognised right to the throne by conquest. Upon his death, that right falls to Stannis.


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    December2012
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    Good guy or not, he's the only one of the Kings claiming the throne who shows up to actually protect the realm.


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    #498
    Awkward Badger
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    What about Gendry ? As Roberts oldest son would he not be the heir before Stannis bastard or not ? Is that not why the Lannisters had all his bastards killed ?

    I also wouldn't class him as a good guy really. Misguided and stupid would probably be a better description. He's done a lot of dodgy stuff in the name of the Lord of Light. His protection of the realm from the wildlings is just another angle for him to gain power and if he does I doubt it'll be all peace and prosperity.


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    #499
    December2012
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    Gendry has not been legitimised so is not his heir.


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    #500
    Awkward Badger
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    December2012 wrote: »
    Gendry has not been legitimised so is not his heir.

    So the Lannisters were more just killing the bastards to hide the evidence of the fact none of Roberts actual children were anything like Cersi and Jamies then ?


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    #501
    GerB40
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    Pugsly wrote: »
    So the Lannisters were more just killing the bastards to hide the evidence of the fact none of Roberts actual children were anything like Cersi and Jamies then ?

    Roberts bastards were living, breathing proof that Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen were not his. They actually proved the stories about Cersei and Jaime to be true which was far worse because it was effectively a death sentence for Cersei, Jaime and their bastard offspring.


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    Links234
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    Ok, I've been rewatching a bit of Season 3 and something makes me wonder about the Hound...
    After winning trial by combat with Beric Dondarrion, they're releasing him and Arya protests, Beric tells her it's not their place to judge and then says "Go in peace Sandor Clegane, the lord of light isn't done with you yet" and this has me wondering about the Hound's fate, suggesting he's got some sort of destiny, so now I'm wondering if the brotherhood without banners don't stumble upon him again and revive him and he joins up with them? Not beyond the realms of possibility, but after being so sure the Mountain was a goner and I was adamant that he wasn't gonna get back up again, I'm a little hesitent to call someone's death now unless it's Oberynly obvious and we didn't actually see the Hound die, did we?

    Edit: I know I've been told spoiler tags aren't nessecary for speculation from what we've seen in the show, but it's kinda habit.


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    #503
    Awkward Badger
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    Links234 wrote: »
    Ok, I've been rewatching a bit of Season 3 and something makes me wonder about the Hound...
    After winning trial by combat with Beric Dondarrion, they're releasing him and Arya protests, Beric tells her it's not their place to judge and then says "Go in peace Sandor Clegane, the lord of light isn't done with you yet" and this has me wondering about the Hound's fate, suggesting he's got some sort of destiny, so now I'm wondering if the brotherhood without banners don't stumble upon him again and revive him and he joins up with them? Not beyond the realms of possibility, but after being so sure the Mountain was a goner and I was adamant that he wasn't gonna get back up again, I'm a little hesitent to call someone's death now unless it's Oberynly obvious and we didn't actually see the Hound die, did we?

    Edit: I know I've been told spoiler tags aren't nessecary for speculation from what we've seen in the show, but it's kinda habit.

    What Beric Dondarian said I would simply take as "He didnt see fit to take you're life this time" more than "He has a job for you in future". But regardless of what else was said or done I don't think you can assume anyone is dead unless you see them die. They were only 10 miles from the bloody gates and although broken up and having a banjaxed leg the Hound was still alive and shouting (not far from whatever path they were both travelling to and from the Bloody Gates) when we last seen him.

    Word would surely reach Littlefinger too from the guards that Sandor Clegane and Arya Stark were at the gates. So there is a chance he will survive.


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    #504
    Links234
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    Pugsly wrote: »
    What Beric Dondarian said I would simply take as "He didnt see fit to take you're life this time" more than "He has a job for you in future".

    See, that's what I thought the first time too, but now I'm half wondering if it isn't the latter? But yeah, this is just idle speculation on my part


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    #505
    wp_rathead
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    DL Saint wrote: »
    So wait.....is Stannis a "Good Guy" now? Has he always been? Could it be possible that he recruits a strong wildling force and then rally up the remaining Northerners and maybe even the army of the Vale? Then you would have Stannis' Army, The Red Woman, The Golden Company, Wildling Force, Armies Loyal to the Starks, Army of the Vale (and maybe even the Tyrells) , Brotherhood without Banners Vs. Boltons and a diminishing Lannister Force...If that were the case I'd say Go team Stannis. But this is GOT so Stannis will probabaly be killed by Hodor next series or something :P

    No way will Tyrells team up with Stannis after he killed Renly - plus Mace is on Council so they firmly with the Lannisters imo

    I see Stannis as a good guy who has been corrupted by Red Woman..

    Following is if you listen to Season 2 "History and Folklore" (available on youtube)
    in regards Stannis role in Roberts Rebellion you will see he was treated badly for his loyalty with Renly getting Storms End despite the hardship Stannis went through.


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    #506
    wp_rathead
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    Haha Links "Oberynly obvious" - love it haha :D


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    Awkward Badger
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    wprathead wrote: »
    No way will Tyrells team up with Stannis after he killed Renly - plus Mace is on Council so they firmly with the Lannisters imo

    I see Stannis as a good guy who has been corrupted by Red Woman..

    Following is if you listen to Season 2 "History and Folklore" (available on youtube)
    in regards Stannis role in Roberts Rebellion you will see he was treated badly for his loyalty with Renly getting Storms End despite the hardship Stannis went through.

    I doubt they care about Renly, he was a means to and end just as Joffrey was before they killed him and just as Tommen is now.

    The only reason they wouldn't have anything to do with Stannis is because Tommen on the throne with Margaery as his queen is what they want.


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    #508
    Mickeroo
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    Pugsly wrote: »
    I doubt they care about Renly, he was a means to and end just as Joffrey was before they killed him and just as Tommen is now.

    Ser Loras would have a thing or two to say about that probably, though the rest of the Tyrells would agree with you I'm sure.


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    Awkward Badger
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    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Ser Loras would have a thing or two to say about that probably, though the rest of the Tyrells would agree with you I'm sure.

    That's true. The end Loras was after was slightly different than what the rest were after....


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    Links234
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    wprathead wrote: »
    Haha Links "Oberynly obvious" - love it haha :D

    :pac:

    At this point I'm not ruling anyone deceased unless they lose their head, or otherwise get Jojen'd to smithereens. And even then I'm not ruling out a headless Ned Stark stumbling around King's Landing


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    #511
    wp_rathead
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    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Ser Loras would have a thing or two to say about that probably, though the rest of the Tyrells would agree with you I'm sure.

    Aye, Loras was goin on about how he would kill Stannis in season 2
    Plus Mace and Stannis have history from Roberts Rebellion - all explained in the excellent "History and Folklore" on the Blu-Ray boxset, can view on youtube- really recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it


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