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Phibsborough, Dublin 7

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    #182
    De Bhál
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    Zipppy wrote: »
    new vegan Cafe round by snooker hall on canal...looks great...big gym there too...

    seems to be only open at the weekend

    https://www.google.ie/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1NDCM_enIE731IE731&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=vegan+cafe+phibsborough&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=53361599,-6271974,244&tbm=lcl&rldimm=15817876768151509028&tbs=lf_msr:-1,lf_od:-1,lf_oh:-1,lf_pqs:EAE,lf:1,lf_ui:9&*&rlfi=hd:;si:15817876768151509028;mv:!1m3!1d39936.08527790805!2d-6.233919757922422!3d53.35610604485356!3m2!1i955!2i805!4f13.1;tbs:lf_msr:-1,lf_od:-1,lf_oh:-1,lf_pqs:EAE,lf:1,lf_ui:9


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    #183
    Tar.Aldarion
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    Gonna go try it out, thanks!


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    #184
    LadyMayBelle
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    Zipppy wrote: »
    new vegan Cafe round by snooker hall on canal...looks great...big gym there too...

    Would like to try it, met someone promoting it and they went on a bit about alkiline bracelets or something which kinda lost me..But keen to try the food and support local...


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    #185
    mosi
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    I noticed when passing that a BBQ place, Smokin' Bones, has gone into the old Burdocks unit in the shopping centre. There's also work going on in the old Fish Bar on the Cabra Road at the moment.


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    #186
    petejmk
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    Planning notice in The Herald today for the shopping centre. Includes proposal for more student accommodation (321 beds). That can be added to the list of applications in for the already crazy amount of proposed student accom in the surrounding area.


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    #187
    L1011
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    petejmk wrote: »
    Planning notice in The Herald today for the shopping centre. Includes proposal for more student accommodation (321 beds). That can be added to the list of applications in for the already crazy amount of proposed student accom in the surrounding area.

    There probably isn't enough student accom in the pipeline with current demographic trends (and a college moving in stages to down the road)

    More student accom = less normal houses rented to students = more conventional rental supply.


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    #188
    petejmk
    Registered Users Posts: 211 ✭✭petejmk


    L1011 wrote: »
    There probably isn't enough student accom in the pipeline with current demographic trends (and a college moving in stages to down the road)

    More student accom = less normal houses rented to students = more conventional rental supply.

    Probably. Wonder how far it will get considering planners have sought further information from similar projects.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/dublin-planners-raise-concerns-over-dit-student-digs-1.3016646?mode=amp


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    #189
    Peregrine
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    petejmk wrote: »
    Planning notice in The Herald today for the shopping centre. Includes proposal for more student accommodation (321 beds). That can be added to the list of applications in for the already crazy amount of proposed student accom in the surrounding area.

    Given that the second largest college in Ireland is moving into the area, the dire shortage of student accommodation to begin with and the proximity to TCD and DCU, I would argue that there isn't enough proposed student accommodation.
    petejmk wrote: »
    Probably. Wonder how far it will get considering planners have sought further information from similar projects.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/dublin-planners-raise-concerns-over-dit-student-digs-1.3016646?mode=amp

    The same planners who won't allow tall buildings in the docklands during a housing crisis? Our planners are a joke who bow down to NIMBYs and An Taisce.


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    #190
    L1011
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    petejmk wrote: »
    Probably. Wonder how far it will get considering planners have sought further information from similar projects.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/dublin-planners-raise-concerns-over-dit-student-digs-1.3016646?mode=amp

    Further info requests are the norm for large applications. Cheaper to respond than to answer every potential question up front


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    #191
    gaiscioch
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    It must be a bad joke. They are going to "develop" Phibsborough Shopping Centre but leave the ugliest building in Dublin there, and the second worst Tesco in Dublin (Ballymun being the worst). After all these years of promises and hope, this is a kick in the teeth. All the people duped to buy here in 2006, and 2016, based on the promise to get rid of this monstrosity. Nothing would have done more to improve the area than the development of this place (and the removal of the two Des Kelly eyesores).

    One of Dublin's ugliest buildings retained in Phibsborough shopping centre plan


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    #192
    GLaDOS
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    I'd heard they cant demolish it due to issues with asbestos

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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    #193
    L1011
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    GLaDOS wrote: »
    I'd heard they cant demolish it due to issues with asbestos

    They'd be more likely to demolish than re-shell if issues were that bad!

    As goes it being ugly - buildings can easily be reskinned these days - the Holiday Inn on O'Connell Street and the & Other Stories on Grafton Street are the original 1970s buildings with new exteriors. Tesco Ballymun is long closed!


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    #194
    Zipppy
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    GLaDOS wrote:
    I'd heard they cant demolish it due to issues with asbestos


    Developers don't own Tesco or eddie rockets so can't demolish....
    I think it looks grand...not too sure on even more student accommodation...would be nice if some apartments were included and young couples/ families moved in..
    what happens to student accommodation in summer? empty?


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    #195
    Peregrine
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    gaiscioch wrote: »
    It must be a bad joke. They are going to "develop" Phibsborough Shopping Centre but leave the ugliest building in Dublin there, and the second worst Tesco in Dublin (Ballymun being the worst). After all these years of promises and hope, this is a kick in the teeth. All the people duped to buy here in 2006, and 2016, based on the promise to get rid of this monstrosity. Nothing would have done more to improve the area than the development of this place (and the removal of the two Des Kelly eyesores).

    One of Dublin's ugliest buildings retained in Phibsborough shopping centre plan

    The tower is being refurbished. You can see part of it in one of the renders in that article. There are lots of examples of 1960s era buildings being refurbished to look presentable. We have not seen the plans for refurbishment. Being preemptively outraged isn't a good way to approach these things. It will colour your judgement when you do see the plans.

    As for being 'duped' into buying, people shouldn't buy houses based on speculations about what someone else intends to do with their property. At least, not until you see any concrete plans. AFAIK, this is the first time a planning application is being lodged. The current owner didn't even own the property until last year. When people hedge their bets on speculative plans for redevelopment, they must take the risks that go along with it including the developer's financial situation, their vision and the restrictions placed on them.


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    #196
    Interested Observer
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    gaiscioch wrote: »
    It must be a bad joke. They are going to "develop" Phibsborough Shopping Centre but leave the ugliest building in Dublin there, and the second worst Tesco in Dublin (Ballymun being the worst). After all these years of promises and hope, this is a kick in the teeth. All the people duped to buy here in 2006, and 2016, based on the promise to get rid of this monstrosity. Nothing would have done more to improve the area than the development of this place (and the removal of the two Des Kelly eyesores).

    One of Dublin's ugliest buildings retained in Phibsborough shopping centre plan

    The developers don't own the Tesco or the property the Tesco is in, they can't touch it. Don't be so shrill.


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    #197
    surball
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    Great to see the plans for the area. Shame they won't remove the tower but as other have said the developers do not own that end of the shopping centre (Tesco, gym and Eddie rockets included).
    The skin they wrap the building will make a difference since it will cover the ugly antennae too.

    There's a display of the plans tomorrow evening in the tower.


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    #198
    Interested Observer
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    surball wrote: »
    Great to see the plans for the area. Shame they won't remove the tower but as other have said the developers do not own that end of the shopping centre (Tesco, gym and Eddie rockets included).
    The skin they wrap the building will make a difference since it will cover the ugly antennae too.

    There's a display of the plans tomorrow evening in the tower.

    Even re-skinning it would make a massive difference, and the other redevelopment being proposed is great. I live about 1km from the shopping centre, delighted this is going ahead.


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    #199
    blue_blue
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    Zipppy wrote: »
    what happens to student accommodation in summer? empty?

    No, they're rented out to Summer students or tourists. For example, you can book rooms & apartments on a nightly basis in Trinity's Campus. https://www.tcd.ie/summeraccommodation/


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    #200
    Zipppy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Zipppy


    blue_blue wrote:
    No, they're rented out to Summer students or tourists. For example, you can book rooms & apartments on a nightly basis in Trinity's Campus.


    I think I read that most of the student accommodation in North inner city can't be let to tourists in summer....anyone else see that?


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    #201
    pmcc1
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    This development is a once in a lifetime opportunity to sort out this grim eyesore in the centre of a village with an otherwise bright future.

    Good:
    * Managed student accommodation is terrific idea and will energise the neighbourhood (managed accom, so no crammed bins in gardens fluttering all over the place).
    * The circulation through to NCR & Dalymount + the civic plaza. Brill.

    Lost opportunities:
    * The whole front of the site will remain devoted to 2 dozen car parking spaces. Here is the chance to put parking underground where it belongs.
    * The TOWER. Cladding the whole structure in metal, aside from just leaving us with what looks like a giant fridge, will also increase the outline of the monolith still further. 1m on all sides, and 2m on top from what I can make out.

    The developer has put out the notion that the optimum plans are held hostage by Tesco on the ground floor and mobile phone operators' antennae on the roof.

    The planning permission for the antennae expires in October this year- as it was though that the tower would also have expired by then, so that is fake news. There are techniques for reorganising the upper floors of the tower without impacting Tesco. I'm sure that Tesco can be made to play ball, if it is true that they are blocking the plan. A local boycott of the shop might change their tune.


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    #202
    surball
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    pmcc1 wrote: »
    This development is a once in a lifetime opportunity to sort out this grim eyesore in the centre of a village with an otherwise bright future.


    * The whole front of the site will remain devoted to 2 dozen car parking spaces. Here is the chance to put parking underground where it belongs.
    Good point. Retaining the car park as is, is just silly. It would be great to maximise the civic space.


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    #203
    Bandana boy
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    Zipppy wrote: »
    new Cafe opening shortly beside Rothar....

    Popped in at the weekend , was very busy
    Premises are quite cramped and as its very busy was not very relaxing

    Food though was top notch and reasonably priced .
    A huge pot of tea
    they should upgrade the sausage with the brekkie
    Good real lovely bacon rasher

    Snapjack desert thingy was gorgeous , scone was lovely

    A lot of couples with young children and nowadays they can be quite rude and difficult to share a space with , That is a Phibsboro reality though and cant blame Kennedy's as such


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    #204
    LadyMayBelle
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    Bandana boy wrote: »
    Popped in at the weekend , was very busy
    Premises are quite cramped and as its very busy was not very relaxing

    Food though was top notch and reasonably priced .
    A huge pot of tea
    they should upgrade the sausage with the brekkie
    Good real lovely bacon rasher

    Snapjack desert thingy was gorgeous , scone was lovely

    A lot of couples with young children and nowadays they can be quite rude and difficult to share a space with , That is a Phibsboro reality though and cant blame Kennedy's as such
    Popped in too early last Saturday morning. Tiny, nabbed the window seat! Reasonably priced, scones were delicious. Very friendly too and feels welcoming. My favourite is still Bang Bang, not a huge Two Boys Brew fan but I do get my coffee beans there so I do like it in the area!


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    #205
    Zipppy
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    Looks like dalymount pushed out to at least 2021.


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    #206
    De Bhál
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    The Botanic House on Botanic Road reopening in july. Big temporary sign going up on the side of it as I passed at lunchtime.

    This place
    https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Clonliffe+Architects/@53.3667283,-6.2708967,3a,75y,290.77h,96.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPIrphB1-gNIKwo1CpISzfw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m8!1m2!10m1!1e2!3m4!1s0x48670e778e8fee0f:0x120253d557374fdc!8m2!3d53.3670591!4d-6.2710763


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    #207
    Zipppy
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    De BhÃ&#161 wrote: »
    The Botanic House on Botanic Road reopening in july. Big temporary sign going up on the side of it as I passed at lunchtime.


    That's good news ...


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    #208
    Zipppy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Zipppy


    Dublin bikes station being installed beside McGowans... strange place to put it..why not beside luas stop at broadstone ? Mad.


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    #209
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    Doyles has reopened.


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    #210
    surball
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    De Bhál wrote: »
    The Botanic House on Botanic Road reopening in july. Big temporary sign going up on the side of it as I passed at lunchtime.

    They have a temporary website - http://botanichouse.ie/

    Looks like they will have a seafood restaurant run by the people that own aqua in howth.


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    #211
    surball
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭surball


    Byron Better Scatterbrain wrote: »
    Doyles has reopened.

    Does anyone have any idea of what will open opposite Doyle’s? Heard rumours of a restaurant?


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