Dublin Pride 2014

La_Gordy · 30-06-2014 10:23am

I enjoyed the music on the streets a lot but there were so many drunk and threatening teenagers. Was anyone around Exchange St/the Czech Inn on Saturday evening? There was a great DJ playing, the atmosphere was great and then these pished up boys got on top of the buildings. It was fun for a wee bit but then one started making out he was going to jump. It was horrendous.

Art Deko · 30-06-2014 10:28am

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ongarboy · 30-06-2014 1:27pm

Went my first Pride on Saturday - perfect weather, great buzz and loved the atmosphere in the lanes outside Nealons and Pantibar where we had a ball - everyone in great spirits and we did not observe any of the more troublesome shenanigans that seemed to take place in other parts of town as noted above.

One setback (and an eye opener for me) is that one of my friends was on the bus into town to join us and he overheard this guy (aged about 30) in the seat in front of him on the phone to someone and Pride came up. He finished his conversation saying "text me when that freakshow is over and we'll head out then". My friend rightly so was taken aback and disappointed. Sad that in 2014, that someone felt the need to say that out loud but maybe that's why we still have Pride and will continue to have Pride until it really is irrelevant (ie when people don't and won't feel the need to make such derogatory remarks).

whirlpool · 01-07-2014 3:16am

Art Deko wrote: »

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ongarboy wrote: »

Went my first Pride on Saturday - perfect weather, great buzz and loved the atmosphere in the lanes outside Nealons and Pantibar where we had a ball - everyone in great spirits and we did not observe any of the more troublesome shenanigans that seemed to take place in other parts of town as noted above.

One setback (and an eye opener for me) is that one of my friends was on the bus into town to join us and he overheard this guy (aged about 30) in the seat in front of him on the phone to someone and Pride came up. He finished his conversation saying "text me when that freakshow is over and we'll head out then". My friend rightly so was taken aback and disappointed. Sad that in 2014, that someone felt the need to say that out loud but maybe that's why we still have Pride and will continue to have Pride until it really is irrelevant (ie when people don't and won't feel the need to make such derogatory remarks).

Is it possible he was referring to what you can see in the photo album posted above?

The sexuality of the people dressed up as.... freaks... may well be entirely irrelevant. There is a large presence in the parade of people dressed up in costume. Nothing to do with them being gay whatsoever. And, also, there are plenty of heterosexual transvestites - it's not a gay thing.

As well as that, there will always be bigots. In the year 3014, there will still be bigots. Keep that in mind.

floggg · 01-07-2014 9:55am

whirlpool wrote: »

Is it possible he was referring to what you can see in the photo album posted above?

The sexuality of the people dressed up as.... freaks... may well be entirely irrelevant. There is a large presence in the parade of people dressed up in costume. Nothing to do with them being gay whatsoever. And, also, there are plenty of heterosexual transvestites - it's not a gay thing.

As well as that, there will always be bigots. In the year 3014, there will still be bigots. Keep that in mind.

You know drag queens and guys in leather aren't freaks, yeah?

So even if he was referring to them it would be disgustingly bigoted.

Annasopra · 01-07-2014 10:16am

whirlpool wrote: »

Is it possible he was referring to what you can see in the photo album posted above?

The sexuality of the people dressed up as.... freaks... may well be entirely irrelevant. There is a large presence in the parade of people dressed up in costume. Nothing to do with them being gay whatsoever. And, also, there are plenty of heterosexual transvestites - it's not a gay thing.

As well as that, there will always be bigots. In the year 3014, there will still be bigots. Keep that in mind.

Regardless of who he was referring to (gay people, straight people, tranvestites, couples, politicians) by calling people a freakshow its still bigotry. Keep that in mind.

J_E · 01-07-2014 10:38am

whirlpool wrote: »

Is it possible he was referring to what you can see in the photo album posted above?

As someone who identifies strongly with a group in said album and marched with them, I think you should step back and adjust your perceptions. I am very much 'average and normal' in the typical sense. I don't want the post to come across as 'give me validation!!!!', just to remind you that what you might consider 'freaky' or out of the norm, is very much an ordinary part of life to me and many others and certainly not weird. You think a guy in leather constitutes a freakshow? Or a 'queen? Nope.

whirlpool · 01-07-2014 1:10pm

floggg wrote: »

You know drag queens and guys in leather aren't freaks, yeah?

So even if he was referring to them it would be disgustingly bigoted.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Regardless of who he was referring to (gay people, straight people, tranvestites, couples, politicians) by calling people a freakshow its still bigotry. Keep that in mind.

I didn't say any different.

Cydoniac wrote: »

As someone who identifies strongly with a group in said album and marched with them, I think you should step back and adjust your perceptions. I am very much 'average and normal' in the typical sense. I don't want the post to come across as 'give me validation!!!!', just to remind you that what you might consider 'freaky' or out of the norm, is very much an ordinary part of life to me and many others and certainly not weird. You think a guy in leather constitutes a freakshow? Or a 'queen? Nope.

Eh, hang on a second. You've all conveniently ignored the people dressed up in various costumes that have absolutely nothing to do with transvestites or leather. Is there a particular reason you all chose to ignore the varying costumes in that photo album that had nothing to do with being gay?

Ambersky · 01-07-2014 1:16pm

whirlpool said
you all chose to ignore the varying costumes in that photo album that had nothing to do with being gay?

Ive had another look at the album and it looks like once again I cant even see straight.

whirlpool · 01-07-2014 1:17pm

floggg wrote: »

You know drag queens and guys in leather aren't freaks, yeah?

So even if he was referring to them it would be disgustingly bigoted.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Regardless of who he was referring to (gay people, straight people, tranvestites, couples, politicians) by calling people a freakshow its still bigotry. Keep that in mind.

Cydoniac wrote: »

As someone who identifies strongly with a group in said album and marched with them, I think you should step back and adjust your perceptions. I am very much 'average and normal' in the typical sense. I don't want the post to come across as 'give me validation!!!!', just to remind you that what you might consider 'freaky' or out of the norm, is very much an ordinary part of life to me and many others and certainly not weird. You think a guy in leather constitutes a freakshow? Or a 'queen? Nope.

Annasopra · 01-07-2014 1:21pm

whirlpool wrote: »

Eh, hang on a second. You've all conveniently ignored the people dressed up in various costumes that have absolutely nothing to do with transvestites or leather. Is there a particular reason you all chose to ignore the varying costumes in that photo album that had nothing to do with being gay?

whirlpool wrote: »

NONE of these costumes are guys in leather or are simply cross-dressing. They are dressed up in full costumes completely unrelated to their sexuality.

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I could go on and on with these posts. Those are people who could easily be gay or straight. The comment about the parade being a "freakshow" did not necessarily refer to the sexuality of those marching, but the costumes that are used every year - which, no, are not solely cross-dressers or leather-wearers, as you all conveniently chose to claim so that you could claim to be offended.

Don't be looking for things to be offended by.

And I personally don't have a problem with the word "freak." A lot of people enjoy the word / description.

But don't go off topic. Leather-wearing and drag queens are only a small part of the parade. And a lot of people in the parade are also straight.

I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make at all.

whirlpool · 01-07-2014 1:26pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make at all.

Man on bus refers to the parade as a "freakshow."

Person feels offended because he decides that man on bus means "gay people = freaks."

Man on bus was referring to a parade which involves a wide range of people dressing up in costumes.

People dressing up in a wide range of costumes does not equal gay people.

People dressing up in a wide range of costumes does not equal leather and drag queens.

Yet the people who responded to my post with hostility chose to decide that the gay pride parade was solely leather wearers and drag queens, and therefore that that must be what the man on the bus was "attacking."

There is a LOT more to the parade than leather wearers and drag queens - a lot more which has nothing to do with sexuality.

Finally, there's nothing wrong with being a freak. Plenty wear it as a badge of honour.

If you're going to get offended by the opinions of everyone on the planet, you're in for a very rough ride. Bigots are never going away.

Annasopra · 01-07-2014 1:33pm

whirlpool wrote: »

Man on bus refers to the parade as a "freakshow."

Person feels offended because he decides that man on bus means "gay people = freaks."

Man on bus was referring to a parade which involves a wide range of people dressing up in costumes.

People dressing up in a wide range of costumes does not equal gay people.

People dressing up in a wide range of costumes does not equal leather and drag queens.

Yet the people who responded to my post with hostility chose to decide that the gay pride parade was solely leather wearers and drag queens, and therefore that that must be what the man on the bus was "attacking."

There is a LOT more to the parade than leather wearers and drag queens - a lot more which has nothing to do with sexuality.

Right ok so because the man on the bus is referring to a couple of people wearing costumes who may or may not be gay then he is not a bigot.... that really is some stretch.

Nah

It doesn't matter who is dressed up. It doesn't matter that there are people in costumes.

It's bigotry and its offensive. End. Of. Story.

And your suggestions that the people in the photos were a freakshow is very offensive as well.

Barna77 · 01-07-2014 1:36pm

I'm with whirlpool.

And that's why I don't like the parade and why i never do it. And no intention on the future.

Annasopra · 01-07-2014 1:36pm

whirlpool wrote: »

If you're going to get offended by the opinions of everyone on the planet, you're in for a very rough ride. Bigots are never going away.

It's also very patronising and condescending to tell people what they should and shouldn't find offensive.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 01-07-2014 1:54pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It's also very patronising and condescending to tell people what they should and shouldn't find offensive.

You seem to be the one telling people what is and isn't offensive.

Annasopra · 01-07-2014 2:08pm

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You seem to be the one telling people what is and isn't offensive.

No. Theres a big difference. I am telling people what I find offensive. I'm not telling people they should find it offensive.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 01-07-2014 2:25pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

No. Theres a big difference. I am telling people what I find offensive. I'm not telling people they should find it offensive.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It's bigotry and its offensive. End. Of. Story.

You don't know if it was bigotry, but you are telling people that.it.is.
You don't know what he meant by freaks, yet you are throwing around the label 'bigot'.

Maybe the person did mean that he thought that those in attendance were freaks due to their sexuality; the point being made by whirlpool (at least the way I read it) was that there was no certainty that was the case, so jumping to the conclusion that he was automatically a bigot was being unfair.
Judging a person by their sexuality, or a single comment/word, isn't the best way to label someone.

Annasopra · 01-07-2014 3:00pm

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You don't know if it was bigotry, but you are telling people that.it.is.
You don't know what he meant by freaks, yet you are throwing around the label 'bigot'.

Maybe the person did mean that he thought that those in attendance were freaks due to their sexuality; the point being made by whirlpool (at least the way I read it) was that there was no certainty that was the case, so jumping to the conclusion that he was automatically a bigot was being unfair.
Judging a person by their sexuality, or a single comment/word, isn't the best way to label someone.

I think it's perfectly obvious what is meant by calling the parade a freakshow.

daithi84 · 01-07-2014 4:25pm

I thought pride was brilliant. Seeing the garda band and everything in the parade made me very proud, and even if i dont like politicians in this country at the moment to see so many of them in the parade was great. Gay rights have come a long way and I was great to see everybody out supporting us.

The only trouble i saw was around Central Bank on Dame Street where it seemed to me to be all under 18's getting drunk. The Gardai should of had more of a presence there as to me it was just young people taking advantage of pride but i suppose you can't blame them, we have all been that age before and made fools of ourselves.

I heard that a garda report for the day and night said that disturbances were no more or less than a typical Saturday night in town and the overwhelming majority of them were from temple bar which was not connected to the pride festivities.

It was my first time actually being in the parade and was absolutely delighted i did it. Brilliant day and night and look forward to it every year.

P.S. if someone refers to a LGBT pride event as a freakshow its a given he is not just referring his comments to drag queens and leather men, which in my opinion are not freaks at all. Live and let live and get off your high horse. If anybody has the cheek and/or balls to call me a freak or a member of a freakshow that person is a bigot, end of.

sniperman · 01-07-2014 4:30pm

yes a total freakshow.should not be allowed

j8wk2feszrnpao · 01-07-2014 4:31pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I think it's perfectly obvious what is meant by calling the parade a freakshow.

And you may be correct, but you may also be incorrect (which I think was whirlpool's point).

If someone thinks that those (which included friends of mine) in the parade were a 'freakshow', then that's grossly unfair, and not someone I'd consort with.
I also think it's grossly unfair to label someone a bigot without knowledge of the person, wasn't part of the conversation that took place, and didn't even overhear the conversation.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 01-07-2014 4:35pm

sniperman wrote: »

yes a total freakshow.should not be allowed

Why are they a freakshow?
Some dress-up (some don't), have a good time, don't cause hassle for people, and make it inclusive for all.
They are as entitled as anyone to have a parade; long may it continue.

ongarboy · 01-07-2014 4:39pm

To weigh in, seeing as I kind of started this whole freakshow side topic, you can rest assured the bus passenger was referring to all LGBTs, "the gays", and not just those in elaborate costume (not that there would be justification in labelling them as such either), hence why my friend (who heard the conversation, tone and context) was momentarily offended (and moreso disappointed) and in turn, I and my friend who he related the story to.

And no, the bus passenger didn't mean it as some sort of post ironic, backhanded, badge of honour compliment either (if some take pleasure in being called a freak...even when the derogatory context was unambiguous, then that really confuses me!!

)

Aard · 01-07-2014 5:30pm

Breaking News: Some people don't like "the gays"!

Let's not get sidetracked by the comments of one person on his phone. A lot worse has been said in the past, and if this is the worst thing somebody heard on the day of the parade, then we've come a long way. I myself did not hear a single bad thing on the day, as long as you don't count the random bible-quote protester on Lombard Street.

J_E · 01-07-2014 9:26pm

whirlpool wrote: »

If you're going to get offended by the opinions of everyone on the planet, you're in for a very rough ride. Bigots are never going away.

Bit flippant, I don't think I mentioned I was offended. It was more what you said here;

Is it possible he was referring to what you can see in the photo album posted above?

It was indeed yourself that made such a connection, not the man on the bus in question. That's what I wanted to touch on. I am not the sort to flap my arms and get oversensitive. Not a big deal either way.

Aard wrote: »

I myself did not hear a single bad thing on the day, as long as you don't count the random bible-quote protester on Lombard Street.

I had heard talk of a protest and thought it was going to be a big group of people like that American family that flew over not too long ago, but it was a little anticlimatic. Most of us just smiled and walked by.

sniperman · 01-07-2014 10:58pm

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Why are they a freakshow?
Some dress-up (some don't), have a good time, don't cause hassle for people, and make it inclusive for all.
They are as entitled as anyone to have a parade; long may it continue.

because of what they are,freaks

j8wk2feszrnpao · 02-07-2014 12:12am

sniperman wrote: »

because of what they are,freaks

Now this is a bigoted person.

A quick check of his posting history suggest that he's well into his guns.
Could he be a member of a gun club? Perhaps he could be described as a gun nut? Maybe a gun freak?
Due to being in a freakshow, perhaps his rights should be infringed upon and the weapons removed from his possession and banned from attended gun clubs?

Personally I think he has the right to carry out his pastime as he wishes. It's his life, and as long as he's not hurting anyone, then how he lives it is his own business. Something he'd appreciate.
Pity he doesn't have the same outlook towards others in life.

Dublin Pride 2014

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