Way to go Sinn Fein

FTA69

Woodville56 wrote: »

So what do you suggest to someone who has no interest or wish to have their taxes used to further the ideology of parties which they do not wish to support - is it a case of pay up and be quiet ???

Campaign for the salary of TDs to be lowered then. You do realise that it's their inherent wage which is going toward the party and not additional state funds don't you?

FTA69

martingriff wrote: »

As I said I do not care what they paid I WAS A PROMISE THEY HAD but they do take it home so they give it to the party machine

They don't take it home in the sense they live on a €90,000 salary while preaching equality to their supporters. They donate a portion of their wage to the party as a sign of sincerity and goodwill. You wouldn't catch half of the other f*ckers at the same thing, never mind doing it voluntarily.

I bet if a FF, FG ot Labour politican did this people would be arguing the very same think I am against SF and others who do it.

So other TDs are great lads for living on a hundred grand odd a year spending it on themselves but Sinn Féin are bastards for maintaining themselves on the average industrial wage? Ridiculous.

It is not a barrier to careerism to be paid more.

You're missing the point. SF's policy is aimed at trying to keep out people who are only in it for the money. Of which there are plenty in Irish politics I might add.

Woodville56

FTA69 wrote: »

Campaign for the salary of TDs to be lowered then. You do realise that it's their inherent wage which is going toward the party and not additional state funds don't you?

What I said initially is that their wage be set at mud public servant salary based on hours worked and an allowance in respect of vouched expenses within defined parameters. The wage would be just that, for their own upkeep. If they want to give that over to the party that's their business but I am loath to think that my taxes support party politics

martingriff

FTA69 wrote: »

martingriff wrote: »

They don't take it home in the sense they live on a €90,000 salary while preaching equality to their supporters. They donate a portion of their wage to the party as a sign of sincerity and goodwill. You wouldn't catch half of the other f*ckers at the same thing, never mind doing it voluntarily.



So other TDs are great lads for living on a hundred grand odd a year spending it on themselves but Sinn Féin are bastards for maintaining themselves on the average industrial wage? Ridiculous.



You're missing the point. SF's policy is aimed at trying to keep out people who are only in it for the money. Of which there are plenty in Irish politics I might add.

Sorry I did not quote that properly left out a bit what I meant to say SF and others would argue the way I was doing it FF, FG and Labour was doing this and that is hypocracy giving you are saying it is grand to do this. I do apologise I will edit it. Of course SF are not b"!£$rds for doing it.

martingriff

Dan_Solo wrote: »

No, they are different things.
You can show you can live on the average wage by living on it. Not by where you give the rest of the cash.

Ok but lets see where the rest goes and I do not really believe them

Zubeneschamali

Woodville56 wrote: »

So what do you suggest to someone who has no interest or wish to have their taxes used to further the ideology of parties which they do not wish to support -

I suggest that someone has a think for a minute or two:

The government is going to enact policies. These will be the policies of the parties that win the elections.

If parties are not taxpayer funded, they will be funded mainly by big business and the rich, and the ideologies they buy will not be in the interests of the "someone" who is so uninterested in ideology.

Bannasidhe

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Which shows your ignorance of the difficulties ordinary WORKING people are facing with Property Tax

So are the unemployed unless they are tenants.

martingriff

comongethappy wrote: »

Fair enough.... Up to a point.

18 moths though..... Just wrong.

Agree 6 months

dxhound2005

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I suggest that someone has a think for a minute or two:

The government is going to enact policies. These will be the policies of the parties that win the elections.

If parties are not taxpayer funded, they will be funded mainly by big business and the rich, and the ideologies they buy will not be in the interests of the "someone" who is so uninterested in ideology.

Anyone rich or poor can give donations to political parties. But they have to be declared. It would be normal I presume for party supporters and activists to give donations. What is not conventional in other democracies as far as I know is for elected representatives to give their wages to the party or have them taken by the party whichever is the Sinn Fein and Socialist Party model.

Is it too much to expect the elected politicians and the party just to declare these amounts to the appropriate body? The party makes it known in general terms what is going on and indeed they make a virtue of it. I just want to see the figures. These are not insignificant amounts and they will be boosted now by the extra European Parliament salaries which SF will be getting.

Dan_Solo

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What is not conventional in other democracies as far as I know is for elected representatives to give their wages to the party or have them taken by the party whichever is the Sinn Fein and Socialist Party model.

I see now we're moving into the forcibly stolen from the TD sensationalism territory...

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Is it too much to expect the elected politicians and the party just to declare these amounts to the appropriate body?

I don't know if other parties employ secretaries solely out of the party budget? I still don't see what the problem is. I'd much rather have the party I vote for supporting themselves from their own pockets than from business man X or developer Y who of course never seem to want anything at all in return...

Santa Cruz

I don't care about the rest of ye but I don't want to exist on the average industrial wage. So I work extra, have a few investments going and do everything to minimise my tax liability. I pay my due taxes and no more. If living on the average industrial wage is some left wing paradise they can stuff it. Life is for living not existing. If I have to work hard and take chances to obtain and maintain a good standard of living then bring it on.

Bannasidhe

Santa Cruz wrote: »

I don't care about the rest of ye but I don't want to exist on the average industrial wage. So I work extra, have a few investments going and do everything to minimise my tax liability. I pay my due taxes and no more. If living on the average industrial wage is some left wing paradise they can stuff it. Life is for living not existing. If I have to work hard and take chances to obtain and maintain a good standard of living then bring it on.

Thankfully not everyone shares your view.

A view you could come to regret should you be made redundant, be incapacitated and cannot work, have a disabled child etc etc etc.

Dan_Solo

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Life is for living not existing. If I have to work hard and take chances to obtain and maintain a good standard of living then bring it on.

So you work extra long and extra hard because life is worth living...
Mmmmmk.

Santa Cruz

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So you work extra long and extra hard because life is worth living...
Mmmmmk.

I enjoy my work. A lot of people do. I know by working the way I do that I will have the wherewithal to enjoy life outside work as well.

Dan_Solo

Santa Cruz wrote: »

I enjoy my work. A lot of people do. I know by working the way I do that I will have the wherewithal to enjoy life outside work as well.

I never said I didn't like my job. I have other things to live for too though.
And for some reason I do find myself caring how other people are getting on. Weird that, huh?

Santa Cruz

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Thankfully not everyone shares your view.

A view you could come to regret should you be made redundant, be incapacitated and cannot work, have a disabled child etc etc etc.

Why should I regret my view? I make provision for future events. I won't be totally reliant on the State or anyone else.

Bannasidhe

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Why should I regret my view? I make provision for future events. I won't be totally reliant on the State or anyone else.

But you will be reliant eh?

Other people's taxes going to pay for that partial reliance?

Santa Cruz

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I never said I didn't like my job. I have other things to live for too though.
And for some reason I do find myself caring how other people are getting on. Weird that, huh?

Whatever turns you on. I care for people who are decent and hard working not scroungers and dossers who want to live off me. SF would bleed people like me dry but they won't get that chance. One minute on the internet and anything I have will be well out of their reach

Karl Stein

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Will Cork get a SF lord mayor now?

Unlikely. Tweedle dee and tweedle dum will get a pact that ensures it rotates amongst FF/FG and probably an independent.

Santa Cruz wrote: »

I don't want to exist on the average industrial wage.

Nobody is asking you to?

Everyone who gets paid from the public purse should have their wages linked in some way to the AIW and there should be an upper cap of 4/5 times the AIW.

Santa Cruz

Karl Stein wrote: »

Unlikely. Tweedle dee and tweedle dum will get a pact that ensures it rotates amongst FF/FG and probably an independent.



Nobody is asking you to?

Everyone who gets paid from the public purse should have their wages linked in some way to the AIW and there should be an upper cap of 4/5 times the AIW.

Good luck with that.

Woodville56

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I suggest that someone has a think for a minute or two:

The government is going to enact policies. These will be the policies of the parties that win the elections.

If parties are not taxpayer funded, they will be funded mainly by big business and the rich, and the ideologies they buy will not be in the interests of the "someone" who is so uninterested in ideology.

That's fine so - cool if you"re happy to have your taxes used to promote political parties or ideologies you don't agree with ! Lesser of two evils I suppose .
And yes, I have thought for a minute or two or more even, thought enough to have an objection in principal to indirectly funding parties that, through their policies, have brought this this country to its knees, others who have kept us there and a few other outfits who just want to get into power !

Iwasfrozen

Santa Cruz wrote: »

I enjoy my work. A lot of people do. I know by working the way I do that I will have the wherewithal to enjoy life outside work as well.

Don't bother Santa, a lot of these lefty types wouldn't understand the pleasure gotten from hard work.

Iwasfrozen

For the people advocating wages be linked to a faction of the average industrial wage, do you realise this will cause the average industrial wage to continuously fall?

Bannasidhe

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Don't bother Santa, a lot of these lefty types wouldn't understand the pleasure gotten from hard work.

Oh look - more sneering. How sad and predictable.

Is this where I say a lot of those righty types wouldn't know a hard days work if it bit them as their wealth is derived from other people's hard work?

Nah - I prefer not to sink to the level of the playground.

Bannasidhe

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

For the people advocating wages be linked to a faction of the average industrial wage, do you realise this will cause the average industrial wage to continuously fall?

Wages paid by the exchequer or do you prefer the current system?

comongethappy

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Wages paid by the exchequer or do you prefer the current system?

Which would still cause the average Ind wage to fall!

Ever decreasing circles.

And yes, personally I do prefer being paid what my employer agreed to pay me.
Instead of some ill thought out zero sum game cooked up on a web forum.

Iwasfrozen

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Wages paid by the exchequer or do you prefer the current system?

Wages that get spent in the economy. The higher private sector wages the better, putting a cap on public sector wages at a fraction < 1 of the average industrial wage will put downward pressure on the average industrial wage. It's a continuous downward spiral.

dark crystal

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Don't bother Santa, a lot of these lefty types wouldn't understand the pleasure gotten from hard work.

What an utterly idiotic, snotty, sneering attitude to have. I've seen some moronic posts on here, but this one takes the biscuit.

The Celtic Tiger sure spawned a whole lot of spoiled little cubs and the recession has brought out the worst in them.

I can see now why some people hate SF so much and where the fear of their recent successes comes from.

Dan_Solo

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Don't bother Santa, a lot of these lefty types wouldn't understand the pleasure gotten from hard work.

Judging by our banker/developer elite, neither would a lot of the righty types.

Bannasidhe

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Wages that get spent in the economy. The higher private sector wages the better, putting a cap on public sector wages at a fraction < 1 of the average industrial wage will put downward pressure on the average industrial wage. It's a continuous downward spiral.

Social Welfare payments are also spent in the economy yet there is vocal group calling for those to be cut but suggest one cuts the salaries of the upper echelons and people lose their minds.

Imagine if I suggested the minimum wage should be raised to ensure that no one in a full time job should be forced to apply for Family Income Supplement(thereby lowering our SW bill) - there would be howls of protest.

How bizarre.