Way to go Sinn Fein

Bannasidhe

miles_away wrote: »

the alternative to taking medical cards of sick children ( which i oppose ) was taking it off pensioners who ( if in a relationship ) have a combined income of 45 k per year , people in this country want pensioners spoiled so kids must suffer

kids are four times more likely to be in poverty than old people in ireland , politicans allow this to happen because the kids cant vote

goverments spend money where they want to

re_ iceland , was refering to icelanders who wish to emmigrate , 2k is the largest amount they can withdraw from their bank accounts ( whatever 2k is in icelandic krona ) , many icelanders also took out mortgages in euro so the result of a highly devalued icelandic krona , is a much larger mortgage

Ummm...where did I suggest all pensioners should have medical health cards???

I didn't.

I don't think they should have. I think all cards should be based on either medical need and/or income regardless of age. Anyone who had Health Insurance - unless their condition isn't covered - should automatically lose their card.

My parents could give theirs up for a start as my brother pays for them to have top of the range health insurance...

Tell me - do you think Iceland's restrictions will last as long as our paying for the banks?

Nodin

mickydoomsux wrote: »

And yet SF and a lot of the independents campaigned on the rich paying their fair share.

Who are they to decide what that is?

People with calculators?

Dan_Solo

mickydoomsux wrote: »

And yet SF and a lot of the independents campaigned on the rich paying their fair share.

Who are they to decide what that is?

I agree it is a subjective word.
Now, how does that help when you state your opinion of what is fair as if it is proof conclusive of a fact?

miles_away

mickydoomsux wrote: »

And yet SF and a lot of the independents campaigned on the rich paying their fair share.

Who are they to decide what that is?

the left always assume they have " righteousness " on their side , they see the onus being on everyone else to prove them wrong so they dont have to make any kind of case involving detail

Iwasfrozen

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Iceland 41,000
Ireland 39,547

World Bank PPP figures.
You were saying?

If you don't have an argument don't make one up.

World bank PPP per capita is the middle list here,

rank 13: Ireland: 44k
rank 23: Iceland: 39k

Red Nissan

tayto lover wrote: »

Would you have a link to prove that please?
I think DS babies also require a lot more looking after i.e. childcare expenses.

My own observations over the years working with a variety of fundraising events and charity nights.

You will find quite a few Downs children in mainstream schools from infants, it obviously depends on the individual, not too long ago they would all have had to have special schooling and even confinement.

There are a number who will never live independent lives.

miles_away

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Ummm...where did I suggest all pensioners should have medical health cards???

I didn't.

I don't think they should have. I think all cards should be based on either medical need and/or income regardless of age. Anyone who had Health Insurance - unless their condition isn't covered - should automatically lose their card.

My parents could give theirs up for a start as my brother pays for them to have top of the range health insurance...

Tell me - do you think Iceland's restrictions will last as long as our paying for the banks?

i cant give you a date but i firmly believe that ireland has closer ties with europe and hence is in a better position to network with descision makers in powerful states and institutions

irish people value materialism above nationalism so i think if this goverment gets the economy back on track , a lid will be kept on the ambitions of SF , the european and locals are not seen as all that important to many , germany is aware of the rise of euro sceptic parties throughout europe , i suspect what happened on friday will ensure that the upcoming budget in the autumn - winter will be a very generous one to the middle class , the euro project must be kept alive and ireland is seen as a recovery success story , enda will explain to angela that the foot must come off the middle income tax payer for a while so as to keep them on side with brussells friendly parties

we are easy bought off and have no idealogy so i dont think SF are home and hosed yet

Lastlight.

Karl Stein wrote: »

You're from the north Keith, we're not quite a 32 county country yet. I just went through every post you've made and it's the same anti-SF, 'the Protestant people this, Romanism that' bull your little mind is obsessed with.

I shudder to think of the culture of hate you were raised in.

You're to be pitied really.

Stop attacking the posters. This is about Sinn Fein. We are talking about Sinn Fein and the problems they would cause if they got into government and how they would run the country into the ground.

Bannasidhe

miles_away wrote: »

its not about their economic policys being " useless " , thats subjective , SF have a radically different view of how an economy should opperate , they favour a much much larger role for the state , like i said , equality would likely rise but prosperity would have to fall overall as economic personal liberty would be curtailed , i realise that some see that as desirable

We already have a ridiculously bureaucratic and overly centralised state so it would be interesting to see how the state could interfere more than it already does.

Radically different does not equal useless - many many countries operate their economies in a radically different way to Ireland. Plus - the way it has been 'managed' is hardly the poster boy for success now is it? We nearly went bust in the 70s, we nearly went bust in the 80s, we did go bust in the 00s and we are still in crises in the 10s.

It depends on how you define 'prosperity' really - to me the mark of true prosperity is no one is homeless, no one is hungry, no one dies due to lack of medical care, equal access to education etc etc - not how many golf courses we have or how many audi drivers or indeed, how many millionaires.

Dan_Solo

Iceland external debt 90.2$ of GDP
Ireland external debt 123.7% GDP


Yeah, poor Iceland. They must wish they had kept all those lovely guaranteed deposits like we did.

tayto lover

miles_away wrote: »

the left always assume they have " righteousness " on their side , they see the onus being on everyone else to prove them wrong so they dont have to make any kind of case involving detail

left = righteousness

right = arrogance

As it seems to be in Ireland now.

Dan_Solo

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If you don't have an argument don't make one up.

World bank PPP per capita is the middle list here,

rank 13: Ireland: 44k
rank 23: Iceland: 39k

Oh I see, you selectively picked the SECOND list.
And the first list is the IMF's list which has Iceland HIGHER. Why do you think it is first? Why did you go for the second one? ;-)

EDIT:
International Monetary Fund (2013) World Bank (2011–2012)

OH DEAR.
The World Bank figures you are insisting on using turn out to be OUT OF DATE!
How sad for you and your theory...

miles_away

Red Nissan wrote: »

My own observations over the years working with a variety of fundraising events and charity nights.

You will find quite a few Downs children in mainstream schools from infants, it obviously depends on the individual, not too long ago they would all have had to have special schooling and even confinement.

There are a number who will never live independent lives.

im opposed to having kids with down syndrome learning along side abled students , its politcal correctness and little else

Red Nissan

Lastlight. wrote: »

Stop attacking the posters. This is about Sinn Fein. We are talking about Sinn Fein and the problems they would cause if they got into government and how they would run the country into the ground.

We are not actually.

Delighted that SF are doing well in the polls. Well done

This is the first post here, this thread is actually about congratulating SF for doing so well in the recent Polls. In fact talking about it as a Government in two years time and what it might do is actually off topic.

I'm not complainin like, just as you brought it up like.

Lastlight.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

NI gets a set amount of money which is decided in London. The Northern Assembly cannot raise more funds. That was London's decision not the Northern Assembly's.

It is disingenuous to call it a 'bailout' - it is their budget as determined by Westminster. Westminster could - if it desired - allow NI to control it's own finances but it preferred to reserve a great deal of control.

Nor are SF the only party in power in NI - they share power so any criticism of the actions of the NI Assembly can equally be laid at the door of the DUP/SDLP/UUP/Alliance all of whom form the government.

The nationalists wanted a mandatory coalition. It is them which has set up the joke which is Stormont and the institutions which are far from democratic. Not even being able to vote a party out of government and form an official opposition.

At least the Irish Republic has that and which is why I am more confident in Sinn Fein not getting into power.

suicide_circus

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Iceland external debt 90.2$ of GDP
Ireland external debt 123.7% GDP


Yeah, poor Iceland. They must wish they had kept all those lovely guaranteed deposits like we did.

Do you seriously not recognise the differences in circumstances between Ireland and Iceland (currency, interest rates etc) or are you taking the piss?

miles_away

tayto lover wrote: »

left = righteousness

right = arrogance

As it seems to be in Ireland now.

i see you,ve come up with new definitions there yourself

the irony of you labeling one side as arrogant and ( presumably your own ) as righteous

Red Nissan

miles_away wrote: »

im opposed to having kids with down syndrome learning along side abled students , its politcal correctness and little else

I must admit I was once of this view myself. but I see enough regularly to see the benefits for all.

It has to be on an individual basis naturally.

tayto lover

miles_away wrote: »

i see you,ve come up with new definitions there yourself

the irony of you labeling one side as arrogant and ( presumably your own ) as righteous

You obviously didn't read the post I was replying to

miles_away

Red Nissan wrote: »

I must admit I was once of this view myself. but I see enough regularly to see the benefits for all.

It has to be on an individual basis naturally.

its incredibly inefficent and expensive , in small rural schools you often have a situation where one special needs kid effectivley have their own personal tutor

if even ten kids with the same challenges attended a special school , that brings down the cost by 90%

jank

Bannasidhe wrote: »

SF TDs already live on the average industrial wage (no - I don't like the fact that the donate the rest to the party but at least it's not going into their pocket like the rest of the shower in Leinster house) so straight away that is a point in their favour when it comes to making common ground with the electorate.

Yet they are prepared to scam the system and claim 50k in expenses on printer cartages. Sinn Fein are not holier than thou and that is not even talking about their close ties to the Provos and all what that entailed.

Sinn Fein will continue to do well as long as they cod the people into believing that there is some utopian alternative that involves much better public services with no increases in taxation to pay for them. If/when they get into power the same people that are voting Sinn Fein will flock back to the Greens or Labour Party.

Bannasidhe

miles_away wrote: »

im opposed to having kids with down syndrome learning along side abled students , its politcal correctness and little else

I am opposed to well heeled third level students getting a highly subsidised university education - I would say I have to teach them everyday but the truth is most of them don't turn up every day unlike the students with disabilities...

Dan_Solo

suicide_circus wrote: »

Do you seriously not recognise the differences in circumstances between Ireland and Iceland (currency, interest rates etc) or are you taking the piss?

No, I think it is you that doesn't understand the situation one bit.
(that was easy, wasn't it?)

tayto lover

miles_away wrote: »

its incredibly inefficent and expensive , in small rural schools you often have a situation where one special needs kid effectivley have their own personal tutor

if even ten kids with the same challenges attended a special school , that brings down the cost by 90%

Jesus what a comment.
Would you prefer if they were kept at home in order that your kids are not held back.

miles_away

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I am opposed to well heeled third level students getting a highly subsidised university education - I would say I have to teach them everyday but the truth is most of them don't turn up every day unlike the students with disabilities...

im opposed to both

Bannasidhe

Lastlight. wrote: »

The nationalists wanted a mandatory coalition. It is them which has set up the joke which is Stormont and the institutions which are far from democratic. Not even being able to vote a party out of government and form an official opposition.

At least the Irish Republic has that and which is why I am more confident in Sinn Fein not getting into power.

Ireland is democratic??? :eek:

Gosh - and here was me thinking there was a gang of four who rule the roost.

Smidge

miles_away wrote: »

its incredibly inefficent and expensive , in small rural schools you often have a situation where one special needs kid effectivley have their own personal tutor

if even ten kids with the same challenges attended a special school , that brings down the cost by 90%

Oh god lord!
I'm not even going to bother asking for figures to back that up.

fergus1001

Politics is a load of scabies


Feck off everyone of them the lying shower of ****s

Iwasfrozen

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Iceland external debt 90.2$ of GDP
Ireland external debt 123.7% GDP


Yeah, poor Iceland. They must wish they had kept all those lovely guaranteed deposits like we did.

Christ, do you ever get sick of being wrong?

Ireland external debt %: 1,008
Iceland external debt%: 999

Only 7% less debt to GDP ratio. That's twice you've been pulled up on for seemingly pulling numbers out of your arse.

From now on I think you should supply a source every time you post numbers.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Bannasidhe

jank wrote: »

Yet they are prepared to scam the system and claim 50k in expenses on printer cartages. Sinn Fein are not holier than thou and that is not even talking about their close ties to the Provos and all what that entailed.

Sinn Fein will continue to do well as long as they cod the people into believing that there is some utopian alternative that involves much better public services with no increases in taxation to pay for them. If/when they get into power the same people that are voting Sinn Fein will flock back to the Greens or Labour Party.

Hi Jank.

Long time no see. I should tell you I no longer bother reading your posts but couldn't be bothered putting you on ignore so lets agree to not waste each others time and you can focus on bickering with people who may be inclined to get into a discussion with you.