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Tragic yet worrying scenes in waterford last night

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    #422
    Brown Bomber
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    No serious crime...except assault.



    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/teenager-dies-fleeing-scene-of-garda-assault-in-co-waterford-1.1798349

    You need to get your timeline in check. No serious crime had been committed by the time they had left the estate , as far as we, or at least i know at this stage.


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    #423
    mikom
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I think you are confusing me with jeremy clarkson.

    Unlikely..... Jeremy clarkson would never be a proponent for damaging cars.......... unless they were manufactured by Rover.


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    #424
    Brown Bomber
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    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Listen Nino, it's very important that you ignore the thousands of Euros of damage that these guys likely did to the cars of the residents, otherwise people might lose sympathy for the dead man. Sure what's a few thousand euros out of their pockets anyway, aren't we all loaded these days? They'd probably only blow it on mortgage payments or food anyhow, bloody bourgeoisie.

    Likely? You know become sub. Human and worthy of death because it is likely you caused some damage to things.


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    #425
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,911 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    You need to get your timeline in check. No serious crime had been committed by the time they had left the estate , as far as we, or at least i know at this stage.

    That's not way The Times reported it.


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    #426
    Nino Brown
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Your source for all of the above?

    Eye witnesses:

    One of the houses hit belongs to Superintendent Michael Leacy. He was woken at around 12.05am yesterday to hear bottles smashing off his home.
    By this stage, other neighbours had also been targeted and were out on the roadway following the culprits.

    “Nothing even close to this has ever happened in this estate before. We don’t believe he (Supt Leacy) was targeted as they (the gang) were randomly throwing bottles at other houses before they got to his and again later down the road,” another neighbour said.

    Another resident in the estate claimed that he’d seen youths kicking one car and smashing another vehicle’s window with a bottle.

    He added that five youths and two teenage girls were “shouting and roaring” as they targeted the homes and property.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/estate-in-shock-as-teen-dies-after-garda-attacked-268991.html


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    #427
    RecordStraight
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    You need to get your timeline in check. No serious crime had been committed by the time they had left the estate , as far as we, or at least i know at this stage.
    A sterling defence of 'not serious crime' such as vandalism, public order offences, and criminal damage.

    Maybe they should have given them an award for livening up the street?


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    #428
    RecordStraight
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Likely? You know become sub. Human and worthy of death because it is likely you caused some damage to things.
    What?

    Incidentally, I don't think he should have got the death sentence - just a year in prison, or somesuch. But he killed himself trying to evade justice. Tough sh!t.


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    #429
    Brown Bomber
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    RecordStraight wrote: »
    So you would prefer a society where people are free to smash other people's property, vandalise at will, and put elderly people in fear in their homes?

    You 'care' about the innocent, yeah? What about the right of innocent people not to live in fear, have their hard-earned belongings trashed, their neighbourhood vandalised, their rest disturbed?

    If the Garda had not confronted these scumbags, they would have got away with what they did, same as scumbags usually get away with it. That's the society you want to live in. I prefer one where people are held to account for their crimes, where people stand up to criminals.

    So one of them died as he tried to escape. Tough ****. There are hundreds of genuine tragedies happening every week in this country alone. I'll save my sympathy for those people - people driven to suicide by local thugs, that sort of thing. I don't celebrate his death. I just don't care.

    You, on the other hand, preoccupy yourself with the guys who commit the crimes. Perhaps you envy them, somehow?
    I prefer a society where justice prevails, everyone is innocent until proven guilty and can have their day in court and any punishment is proportional to the crime i.e. Not death for smashing bottles in a public place. I prefer a society where a human life has more value than a car.


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    #430
    RecordStraight
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    Nino Brown wrote: »
    Eye witnesses:

    One of the houses hit belongs to Superintendent Michael Leacy. He was woken at around 12.05am yesterday to hear bottles smashing off his home.
    By this stage, other neighbours had also been targeted and were out on the roadway following the culprits.

    “Nothing even close to this has ever happened in this estate before. We don’t believe he (Supt Leacy) was targeted as they (the gang) were randomly throwing bottles at other houses before they got to his and again later down the road,” another neighbour said.

    Another resident in the estate claimed that he’d seen youths kicking one car and smashing another vehicle’s window with a bottle.

    He added that five youths and two teenage girls were “shouting and roaring” as they targeted the homes and property.
    Again, it's important that we ignore the first-hand evidence of the victims of the gang.


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    #431
    RecordStraight
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I prefer a society where justice prevails, everyone is innocent until proven guilty and can have their day in court and any punishment is proportional to the crime i.e. Not death for smashing bottles in a public place. I prefer a society where a human life has more value than a car.
    A load of bullsh!t rhetoric. What a surprise.


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    #432
    Nino Brown
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    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Again, it's important that we ignore the first-hand evidence of the victims of the gang.

    I know, now if the Garda would just reimburse the thugs for breaking their bottle with his head we put all this unpleasantness behind us.


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    #433
    RecordStraight
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    Nino Brown wrote: »
    I know, now if the Garda would just reimburse the thugs for breaking their bottle with his head we put all this unpleasantness behind us.
    Well to be fair, if the thugs could make it clear to everyone on the street when it is ok with the thugs for them to leave their cars out, or have windows in their houses, or to sleep, the situation wouldn't have arisen in the first place. So the thugs do share a certain amount of culpability here.


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    #434
    rm234
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    Don't know if it was posted or not but these vermin help up a house with a hatchet on wednesday and were out on bail. They certainly weren't just drunk ASBOs.


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    #435
    Nino Brown
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    rm234 wrote: »
    Don't know if it was posted or not but these vermin help up a house with a hatchet on wednesday and were out on bail. They certainly weren't just drunk ASBOs.

    No surprises there! It hadn't been mentioned before, but I knew it was just a matter of time before somebody would bring up their criminal history.


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    #436
    thirdtime
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    Did anyone see a photo of Michael Ducey's father? It's up on Jamie's Facebook page. He has an employment repelling tattoo on his neck


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    #437
    Brown Bomber
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    RecordStraight wrote: »
    A load of bullsh!t rhetoric. What a surprise.
    Bull****? As in it is all false? One of the pillars of civilised society?

    Point out a single thing you disagree with that you've quoted.


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    #438
    Brown Bomber
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    thirdtime wrote: »
    Did anyone see a photo of Michael Ducey's father? It's up on Jamie's Facebook page. He has an employment repelling tattoo on his neck
    So...?


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    #439
    rm234
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    Not gunna copy the exact text either but one of his mates posted on his page reminiscing about how they used to throw stones at houses, they obviously got a kick out of doing it


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    #440
    Brown Bomber
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    Nino Brown wrote: »
    No surprises there! It hadn't been mentioned before, but I knew it was just a matter of time before somebody would bring up their criminal history.
    Yes, you assumed based on your own prejudices. Give yourself a pat on the back

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    rm234 wrote: »
    Not gunna copy the exact text either but one of his mates posted on his page reminiscing about how they used to throw stones at houses, they obviously got a kick out of doing it
    And I'll just take you on the word so.


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    #441
    thirdtime
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    So...?

    Having a tattoo on your neck = Unemployable

    No doubt Mr. Ducey would blame his circumstances on 'society' just like you Bomber it's everyone else's fault except for Ducey's.


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    #442
    RecordStraight
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Bull****? As in it is all false? One of the pillars of civilised society?

    Point out a single thing you disagree with that you've quoted.
    That's exactly why it is rhetorical bullsh!t. It's just a load of platitudinous preaching. It has no application to the current case whatsoever. The guy wasn't killed because he smashed up some cars, he died because he was trying to escape justice; justice for p!ssing all over the basic human rights of others not to have their lives made a misery.

    If you are going to post platitudes, at least post relevant ones.


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    #443
    rm234
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭rm234


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Yes, you assumed based on your own prejudices. Give yourself a pat on the back

    .
    And I'll just take you on the word so.

    I'll PM you the link if you like, seeing as you are the expert


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    #444
    Brown Bomber
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    RecordStraight wrote: »
    That's exactly why it is rhetorical bullsh!t. It's just a load of platitudinous preaching. It has no application to the current case whatsoever. The guy wasn't killed because he smashed up some cars, he died because he was trying to escape justice; justice for p!ssing all over the basic human rights of others not to have their lives made a misery.

    If you are going to post platitudes, at least post relevant ones.
    ... so in response to the request to point out any "bull****". You can't point out a single thing that you don't actually agree with. ... Good talk:rolleyes:


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    #445
    Nino Brown
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Yes, you assumed based on your own prejudices.

    I assumed based on the fact that normal people don't destroy property, harass families, and assault people. That is the work of criminals.


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    #446
    Brown Bomber
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    rm234 wrote: »
    I'll PM you the link if you like, seeing as you are the expert
    I'm no expert, but yes please do, if such a thing actually exists.


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    #447
    mrsbyrne
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    If this real world involves celebrating the death of a young student for being allegedly rowdy in the vicinity of a police mans home you can keep it, i dont want any part of it.

    And a quick reminder that these old people were teenagers once themselves and likely bothered the old people of the day with their antics.

    Once again brown bomber "bothering old people with their antics" means playing knick knack on a summers evening before you got called in for your tea and bed. This gang were returning from a beach party drunk/high throwing bottles at peoples houses and smashing car windows. I'm not going to let you diminish the suffering and fear of the elderly. Antics my arse. Your quite insufferable.


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    #448
    thirdtime
    Registered Users Posts: 40 ✭thirdtime


    brown Bomber seems like you're fighting a losing battle. Just turn your computer off


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    #449
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Nino Brown wrote: »
    Eye witnesses: l
    Unnamed eyewitnesses, which are worthless as they can easily be fabricated.
    Nino Brown wrote: »
    One of the houses hit belongs to Superintendent Michael Leacy. He was woken at around 12.05am yesterday to hear bottles smashing off his home.
    If he was asleep how does he know that there was bottles smashing off his home?
    Nino Brown wrote: »
    By this stage, other neighbours had also been targeted and were out on the roadway following the culprits.
    Does this sound realistic to you? Where have they got all the empty bottles from? To have as many bottles as are implied then this would need to have been a pre-planned attack carried out in random neighbourhood for no apparent reason..

    Can you explain why these neighbours "following" these guys stopped following them? Everyone has a camera these days so where is the footage? Can you explain why these people were not assaulted by the small group?
    Nino Brown wrote: »
    “Nothing even close to this has ever happened in this estate before. We don’t believe he (Supt Leacy) was targeted as they (the gang) were randomly throwing bottles at other houses before they got to his and again later down the road,” another neighbour said.
    And presumably any reporter worth his salt would be asked to be directed to the scene of the crime and photograph it. Do we have these photos?
    Nino Brown wrote: »
    Another resident in the estate claimed that he’d seen youths kicking one car and smashing another vehicle’s window with a bottle.
    Oh, another claim of an unnamed person. Not very convincing. So where are the photos of these smashed cars?


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    #450
    RecordStraight
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    ... so in response to the request to point out any "bull****". You can't point out a single thing that you don't actually agree with. ... Good talk:rolleyes:
    So you concede that what you posted is completely irrelevant? Fair play to you.


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    #451
    Nino Brown
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    Okay Brown Bomber, I give up.

    There was 2 possibilities:
    1. They were just scumbags with previous criminal histories out causing trouble.
    2. There is giant conspiracy to frame them including the Gardai, Ambulance Service, Coast Guard, every news paper in the country, and people on this forum.

    You're right, it has to be number 2.


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