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Deise Greenway. Cycle path. Waterford City to Dungarvan.

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    #422
    Max Powers
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    I see in this week's n&s that mayor John Hearne wants horses to be allowed on green way...what a bloody stupid idea or even thing to say.


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    #423
    beazee
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    Max Powers wrote: »
    wants horses to be allowed on green way...
    Yay!
    Sulky races on Greenway!
    That's what we want!
    Sure it'll bring more visitors in!


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    #424
    Max Powers
    Registered Users Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    beazee wrote: »
    Yay!
    Sulky races on Greenway!
    That's what we want!
    Sure it'll bring more visitors in!

    Exactly, its f-ing stupidity of the highest order, what next, motorbikes , there will be no walkers if this is not managed well and the likes of horses and motorbikes kept off it, and of course John Hearne cop on to himself.
    Thankfully, normal sensible people who drove this from the communities along the route started the green way will i presume put this nonsense in the box of stupid ideas.


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    #425
    Cabaal
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    Max Powers wrote: »
    I see in this week's n&s that mayor John Hearne wants horses to be allowed on green way...what a bloody stupid idea or even thing to say.

    Awful idea, they'll be horse **** all over the place.
    It's bad enough dog **** already,

    Also we'll end up with sulky races, even as it is we could end up with sulky races!


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    #426
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    Awful idea, they'll be horse **** all over the place.
    It's bad enough dog **** already,

    Also we'll end up with sulky races, even as it is we could end up with sulky races!

    This is why we can't have nice things :(


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    #427
    jelutong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭jelutong


    Is Adam Wyse not the Mayor of Waterford?


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    #428
    [Deleted User]
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    jelutong wrote: »
    Is Adam Wyse not the Mayor of Waterford?

    There is two at the moment :D


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    #429
    beazee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭beazee


    jelutong wrote: »
    Is Adam Wyse not the Mayor of Waterford?
    Mayor of Waterford (City and County Council)

    John Hearne is Mayor of Metropolitan District (Waterford & Tramore)


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    #430
    lertsnim
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    Not a good idea to have bicycles whizzing past horses either. What a jackass to even suggest it.


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    #431
    my3cents
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    lertsnim wrote: »
    Not a good idea to have bicycles whizzing past horses either. What a jackass to even suggest it.

    So are you suggesting its a better idea to have cars whizzing past horses on the main road?


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    #432
    lertsnim
    Registered Users Posts: 9,728 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    my3cents wrote: »
    So are you suggesting its a better idea to have cars whizzing past horses on the main road?

    Where did I suggest that? No mention of cars or road in my post.


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    #433
    my3cents
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    lertsnim wrote: »
    Where did I suggest that? No mention of cars or road in my post.

    OK so I'll suggest it. A horse and rider on the Greenway is a horse and rider that is not exposed to motor traffic on the road. In just the same way a cyclist on the Greenway is a cyclist not exposed to motor traffic on the road. What makes having a safe place the ride the right of cyclists and not of horse riders.


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    #434
    lertsnim
    Registered Users Posts: 9,728 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    my3cents wrote: »
    What makes having a safe place the ride the right of cyclists and not of horse riders.

    I never suggested that either. Anything else you would like to pull out of your arse?


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    #435
    my3cents
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    lertsnim wrote: »
    I never suggested that either. Anything else you would like to pull out of your arse?

    That was a question sorry I missed out the question mark but I'll put it another way, if you don't think they should be on the Greenway then where else do you think they can go?


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    #436
    Poor Uncle Tom
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    I can see it now....

    Chape spin to the schmoke boss, only a euro ta gey hin da trap an 50 ta gey how....:P

    I'll take 4 sonny......:D


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    #437
    Max Powers
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    my3cents wrote: »
    That was a question sorry I missed out the question mark but I'll put it another way, if you don't think they should be on the Greenway then where else do you think they can go?

    3 cents, if you want to be a contrarian, you need to give some decent argument related to the topic not just silly different for sake of different point of view.a blind person can see not just safety problems mixing the main users of the greenway: pedestrians, wheelchair users, kids, families, older people and cyclists with horses and carts in a narrow area like the greenway.cop on.


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    #438
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    my3cents wrote: »
    OK so I'll suggest it. A horse and rider on the Greenway is a horse and rider that is not exposed to motor traffic on the road. In just the same way a cyclist on the Greenway is a cyclist not exposed to motor traffic on the road. What makes having a safe place the ride the right of cyclists and not of horse riders.

    bikes dont do knee sized dumps :pac:


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    #439
    my3cents
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    Max Powers wrote: »
    3 cents, if you want to be a contrarian, you need to give some decent argument related to the topic not just silly different for sake of different point of view.a blind person can see not just safety problems mixing the main users of the greenway: pedestrians, wheelchair users, kids, families, older people and cyclists with horses and carts in a narrow area like the greenway.cop on.

    Safety is a perfectly good argument. If it could be proved that having horses on the Greenway could save accidents on the roads then it would be reprehensible of the coco not to allow horses.

    I'm not suggesting horses and carts but as its not easy to create a simple access system that excludes a horse and rider while allowing kids buggies wheel chairs and the bikes with trailers that have become very popular.


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    #440
    Cabaal
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    my3cents wrote: »
    OK so I'll suggest it. A horse and rider on the Greenway is a horse and rider that is not exposed to motor traffic on the road. In just the same way a cyclist on the Greenway is a cyclist not exposed to motor traffic on the road. What makes having a safe place the ride the right of cyclists and not of horse riders.

    Bikes don't react unpredictable when dogs are near, they don't bolt and don't continue when the rider has dismounted, bikes don't **** on the greenway, bikes are not likely to act in a unpredictable manner that could lead to death of small children out walking.

    Remember, the greenway is narrow in places, so large horse passing a man or women with a dog don't have alot of distance


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    #441
    Cabaal
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    my3cents wrote: »
    Safety is a perfectly good argument. If it could be proved that having horses on the Greenway could save accidents on the roads then it would be reprehensible of the coco not to allow horses.

    I'm not suggesting horses and carts but as its not easy to create a simple access system that excludes a horse and rider while allowing kids buggies wheel chairs and the bikes with trailers that have become very popular.

    Ok, let's start,
    In the past 10 years how many horse related traffic accidents have happened in Waterford. How many resulted in a death?
    I'm not aware of any in the media myself.

    The green way can be narrow in places, you're suggesting putting horses in closer proximity to people/cyclists/dogs then would normally occur on a regular basis.


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    #442
    Max Powers
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    Ok, let's start,
    In the past 10 years how many horse related traffic accidents dents have happened in Waterford. How many resulted in a death?
    I'm not aware of any in the media myself.

    The green way can be narrow in places, you're suggesting putting horses in closer proximity to people/cyclists/dogs then would normally occur on a regular basis.

    Thanks cabaal, saved us the trouble.let that be the end of the ridiculous horse silly talk.


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    #443
    mooseknunkle
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    Anyway...a bit of good news from the council
    " **UPDATE**
    30 August 2016
    Waterford City & County Council is pleased to announce that a substantial section of the Waterford Greenway will open for use from the 23rd September 2016 between Dungarvan (Causeway) and Kilmacthomas (Workhouse).
    Members of the public should be aware that, from time to time, minor construction works may need to be carried out on this section of the Greenway – however advance notice will be given on social media and on the Greenway website at www.visitwaterfordgreenway.com. Information on car parks and access points will be made available in time for the September opening of that section.
    Work on the remaining section from Kilmacthomas to Waterford City will continue with a view to opening for use in the near future. Updates will be posted on social media and on the Greenway website.
    The official ‘ribbon cutting’ opening will take place in Spring 2017 to coincide with the launch of the tourism season. Queries to waterfordgreenway@waterfordcouncil.ie "


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    #444
    johnsparkexile
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    Ok, let's start,
    In the past 10 years how many horse related traffic accidents have happened in Waterford. How many resulted in a death?
    I'm not aware of any in the media myself.

    .

    I can think of 1 in 2011, which resulted in the death of the driver.


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    #445
    beazee
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    ... react unpredictable when dogs are near, they don't bolt and don't continue when the rider has dismounted

    Imagine the horse getting hit by the train...

    Free running dogs are enough of the issue already.


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    #446
    Cabaal
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    beazee wrote: »
    Imagine the horse getting hit by the train...

    Free running dogs are enough of the issue already.

    Can see it now, free running dogs running after a horse. Yeah, thats not going to end will at all!


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    #447
    mooseknunkle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭mooseknunkle


    I read the very small piece in the paper about this and the mayor was at an event for Stonehaven Equestrian centre when he said it but i dont think he was talking about leaving anyone with a horse on it,what i got from it he was on about having guided tours on horseback which does sound nice and all,but horses dogs cyclists runners all on the same small track is just a recipe for disaster.


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    #448
    Harry Palmr
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    Classic of it's type - thank goodness he wasn't at the Waterford Freewheelers AGM then.


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    #449
    Azatadine
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    In fairness the horses wouldn't be using the tarmac. I'd imagine it's probably the area at the other side of the track. You should also keep in mind that the equestrian centre had used the old railway for donkeys years prior to the greenway so I can see how their ability to trek has been limited now. In a way, they probably almost had some rights to it as they've been using it so long.


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    #450
    Chuchote
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    lertsnim wrote: »
    Not a good idea to have bicycles whizzing past horses either. What a jackass to even suggest it.

    Lots of horses where I live in Dublin: sulkies, carriages, etc. The horses don't pay a blind bit of notice when I cycle past them; I'll often cycle alongside the carriage they're pulling and chat to the driver and passengers. Relax! Life isn't so full of horror and danger as it seems from inside a car!


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    #451
    Max Powers
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    The above 2 didn't visit or grasp that the greenway is a old railway line. so it is quite narrow, no flat side verges for most part etc. Makes their points irrelevant.


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