No makeup selfie.

Un Croissant

'So guys you know by now, donate 4e to charity. Or just post a selfie to raise cancer awareness.'

Aaaam what?

Rhotheta

Have a **** and raise awareness of prostate cancer by posting a picture of cock in hand.

sydthebeat

sinead88 wrote: »

What are people's opinions on this makeup-less selfie trend on facebook, supposedly to raise awareness for cancer? Personally, I think it's totally redundant. It has nothing to do with cancer whatsoever, and does nothing to help those affected by it. If anything, it's slightly offensive as it almost equates going through cancer with your facebook friends just seeing you without makeup on. Also, everyone is really quite aware of cancer already so a donation would be much more beneficial. It just seems like narcissistic fishing for likes and validation to me. I'm genuinely surprised that it's caught on.

Well this must go down as "foot in mouth" post of the year.

Obliq

Tasden wrote: »

needn't have bothered at all!
I dunno if that means I'm using **** make up or I'm just really good at applying it to look natural

It's the first one

It's a taboo topic - talking about the insecurities that women struggle with so much in terms of appearance. And they're all brought on by ourselves. I can nearly guarantee you that in a debate situation, where the merits/demerits of makeup were being debated, the women who are secure enough not to wear any would be loudly shouted down in a very defensive fashion.

I have learned it's not worth the debate (because I always lose this one!) and each to their own, but I do think it's fascinating that the make-upless ones are the baddies for showing up the women who won't leave the house without the slap. It's a self perpetuating problem. Girls in school learning how to apply the mask, followed by girls who are dating reluctant to even show their fella their own skin because the insecurities have become so entrenched. All supported by their mothers refusing to leave the house without makeup.

We're a strange and unhealthy animal at times...

The Backwards Man

sydthebeat wrote: »

Well this must go down as "foot in mouth" post of the year.

I dunno, I think the reaction of those such as the OP did a heap of good in giving people the kick up the hole to donate.

sydthebeat

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I dunno, I think the reaction of those such as the OP did a heap of good in giving people the kick up the hole to donate.

By saying it was redundant, offensive and does nothing to help ??

Try reading the past again.


Its the good will of those who actually took part that makes the difference, not the naysayers on the side lines.

The Backwards Man

sydthebeat wrote: »

By saying it was redundant, offensive and does nothing to help ??

Try reading the past again.


Its the good will of those who actually took part that makes the difference, not the naysayers on the side lines.

How much money was raised by previous facebook campaigns? As I said, I don't know, I'm just surmising, but I do know a quite a few of the donation receipts that appeared on my feed were the product of shame, not good will.

Anyways, much monies are being donated, that's what matters.

Legs.Eleven

Rhotheta wrote: »

Those who think it's brave to post no make up pictures need to actually become aware of the effects of cancer and find out what true bravery actually is. That's if they actually care about awareness.

How many people who've done it have actually stated it's brave though? I know the implication is there but it doesn't necessarily mean that most women see it that way. They might view it as taking them out of their comfort zones a bit as I think most women and men want to look their best in a photo of themselves but brave? How many have actually stated that? Seems to be the buzz word bandied around by the sneering critics than the women themselves.

sydthebeat

The Backwards Man wrote: »

How much money was raised by previous facebook campaigns? As I said, I don't know, I'm just surmising, but I do know a quite a few of the donation receipts that appeared on my feed were the product of shame, not good will.

Anyways, much monies are being donated, that's what matters.

Ageed, the donations are all that matters.
Im only taking about this campaign and I certainly do not see any significant element of people being shamed into it.
There may be a insignificant number.

Obliq

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

How many people who've done it have actually stated it's brave though? I know the implication is there but it doesn't necessarily mean that most women see it that way. They might view it as taking them out of their comfort zones a bit as I think most women and men want to look their best in a photo of themselves but brave? How many have actually stated that? Seems to be the buzz word bandied around by the sneering critics than the women themselves.

Well, I think it's more coming from the women who have openly stated that they had to think long and hard about showing their unmadeup face to the world. There was an interesting post a while back from a woman who talked about her skin problems and her insecurities. It IS quite brave, for women who wear makeup literally like it's a second skin.

I remember feeling totally naked for the first while I went without, before it became weird for me to actually put it on after a while! I don't dismiss the genuine problem a lot of women have with exposing themselves in this way.

yawhat!

I should post a video of myself taking a dump with ketchup to raise awareness of Colon Cancer.

Legs.Eleven

Well, I think it's more coming from the women who have openly stated that they had to think long and hard about showing their unmadeup face to the world. There was an interesting post a while back from a woman who talked about her skin problems and her insecurities. It IS quite brave, for women who wear makeup literally like it's a second skin.

So why are people sneering at them? That's hardly something to be sneered at and belittled. Those women hardly view it on the same scale of braveness as a cancer patient. There ARE varying degrees of bravery.

I remember feeling totally naked for the first while I went without, before it became weird for me to actually put it on after a while! I don't dismiss the genuine problem a lot of women have with exposing themselves in this way.

Maybe you're not but many are. I don't depend on make up and only wear some mascara day to day because I'm blonde with blonde eyelashes and it makes my eyes stand out but I could take it or leave it if I had to. I think most women would be the same, particularly women out of the early twenties/teens.

Mysteriouschic

The guy version seems to be doing a cockinasock to raise money I've seen that floating around twitter.

Obliq

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

So why are people sneering at them? That's hardly something to be sneered at and belittled. Those women hardly view it on the same scale of braveness as a cancer patient. There ARE varying degrees of bravery.



Maybe you're not but many are. I don't depend on make up and only wear some mascara day to day because I'm blonde with blonde eyelashes and it makes my eyes stand out but I could take it or leave it if I had to. I think most women would be the same, particularly women out of the early twenties/teens.

I actually think a lot of people don't know about the insecurities that are bound up with make up. You make your eyes stand out because you're concerned (at times?) they don't look right without mascara? I myself wear some makeup to weddings for example. I wear it to cover up the few broken veins on my cheeks because I feel I would stand out if I'm not looking my best.

I too started out a few days ago thinking the selfie thing is ridiculous, but not because of the "bravery" of the women going make up free, but because the whole notion (to me) of it being so hard to go without it, is quite ludicrous when you think about it. Also, I am a huge grouch about selfies in general, so the increase in them in my newsfeed has made me want to chuck up tbh. At least these ones aren't pouting, but the "tragic cancer sad-face" (thankyou Muise..) is nearly as bad.

I'm not knocking the money FFS, and whinging is allowed if you can explain yourself !

Gaspode

I am getting so pissed off with this nominate crap on FB at the moment (no makeup, guys no make, sellotape on face etc etc- firstly why are people wasting so much of their money on these charities when they know most of the money goes into the back pocket of the execs running them.
I also feel that these nominate things, no matter what they are for are the equivalent of the old chain mail letter - nobody really wants to get them but if they do the then feel guilty if they don't succumb to the peer pressure that's put on them.

Wake up and smell the roses guys, this isn't some charitable campaign you're all getting involved with, it's a viral marketing campaign and you are getting sucked into it.

Legs.Eleven

I actually think a lot of people don't know about the insecurities that are bound up with make up. You make your eyes stand out because you're concerned (at times?) they don't look right without mascara? I myself wear some makeup to weddings for example. I wear it to cover up the few broken veins on my cheeks because I feel I would stand out if I'm not looking my best.

Concern is too strong a word but I do feel more comfortable with it on and have worn it almost everyday since the age of 16. I think I look grand without it but I look better with it on and if I'm having my photo taken, I would definitely have it on but I wouldn't die of embarrassment if I didn't.

You're right though and I think it's a little hard for some men to understand as it does seem superficial but I really think for most women it's just a a case of feeling better with it on than off and wanting to look their best in a photo.

I too started out a few days ago thinking the selfie thing is ridiculous, but not because of the "bravery" of the women going make up free, but because the whole notion (to me) of it being so hard to go without it, is quite ludicrous when you think about it. Also, I am a huge grouch about selfies in general, so the increase in them in my newsfeed has made me want to chuck up tbh. At least these ones aren't pouting, but the "tragic cancer sad-face" (thankyou Muise..) is nearly as bad.

I'm not knocking the money FFS, and whinging is allowed if you can explain yourself !

It's not my favourite idea in the world either and I understand the implication is there that women merely taking off their make up is some big deal and you're right, it is mad when you think about it but I do think that some people are adding more gravity to this than actually existed in the first place; I saw it as something fairly light-hearted to begin with and that most women didn't see it as sacrificing anything, just getting out of their comfort zone a bit. Obviously it's a bigger deal for many but not the majority, I don't think.

Obliq

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

It's not my favourite idea in the world either and I understand the implication is there that women merely taking off their make up is some big deal and you're right, it is mad when you think about it but I do think that some people are adding more gravity to this than actually existed in the first place; I saw it as something fairly light-hearted to begin with and that most women didn't see it as sacrificing anything, just getting out of their comfort zone a bit. Obviously it's a bigger deal for many but not the majority, I don't think.

It's certainly worked better than the "where do you hang your handbag? Post one word and pass it on, to raise awareness about breast cancer" crap. Utterly useless. And insulting to people with cancer.

At least this one comes with the ideal of raising money, but I still have a problem with people being guilted into donating as they'll (insecurities again) look like a tight-arse if they don't, especially if you've been nominated by friends. I find it a little bit cheeky, and although it's clearly gone viral and raised loads of money (the end justifying the means somewhat), I won't subscribe to it myself. Similarly, I never reply to those "post this on your page for one hour - I know my REAL friends will" type stuff.

Legs.Eleven

Obliq wrote: »

It's certainly worked better than the "where do you hang your handbag? Post one word and pass it on, to raise awareness about breast cancer" crap. Utterly useless. And insulting to people with cancer.

At least this one comes with the ideal of raising money, but I still have a problem with people being guilted into donating as they'll (insecurities again) look like a tight-arse if they don't, especially if you've been nominated by friends. I find it a little bit cheeky, and although it's clearly gone viral and raised loads of money (the end justifying the means somewhat), I won't subscribe to it myself. Similarly, I never reply to those "post this on your page for one hour - I know my REAL friends will" type stuff.

Nah, I wouldn't do it myself either as I never get involved in any of those, "Post your bra size and colour" stuff as it's not my style (:cool:) but I wouldn't feel pressured to do it either (I feel I'm beyond that point in my life, thank fook). Maybe there's more pressure among younger women though, which is not great, I'll admit and to refuse you could be seen as vain and if you do it, you're vain as well.

That's definitely a downside to it. Thank fcuk I'm beyond that stage in my life. :P

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

how is that stuff insulting to people who have cancer?

Obliq

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

how is that stuff insulting to people who have cancer?

Well, what colour are your knickers and where do you hang your handbag has somewhat less bearing on the seriousness of such an awful illness as (for example) passing around breast check information. It's trite, and to my mind, does nothing to spread awareness. Like a previous poster said there, it's more like a chain letter - one of those "if you don't pass this on, you're clearly AGAINST awareness" guilt trips, which belittles the experience of people who themselves, or whose family/friends have struggled valiantly with a dreadful disease.

Grayson

Obliq wrote: »

Well, what colour are your knickers and where do you hang your handbag has somewhat less bearing on the seriousness of such an awful illness as (for example) passing around breast check information. It's trite, and to my mind, does nothing to spread awareness. Like a previous poster said there, it's more like a chain letter - one of those "if you don't pass this on, you're clearly AGAINST awareness" guilt trips, which belittles the experience of people who themselves, or whose family/friends have struggled valiantly with a dreadful disease.

It's strange but the sock on your cock version of this is actually a clearer example of why I don't like it. One look at that page and you'll see that 90% of the blokes doing it are vain posers. They're just looking for an excuse to show off.

The women who are doing selfies are a lot like that. If they'd wanted to give something to charity they could have done so at any point. This trend is effectively them choosing to pay to participate in an internet theme. Many will also feel pressured to do it. as you said there would be people who now feel that they have to participate in this circus because they were publicly called out. If they don't it's assumed they don't care about cancer.

I will say two positive things about it. If it gets women out of make up it's a good thing. far too many plaster that crap all over their faces and if it helps them realise they don't need it (or even as much of it) then it can be a good thing. I've seen photo's some of my friends have posted and they are stunning without makeup. The makeup actually makes them look less attractive.

And secondly, at least the money is going to cancer research.

Czarcasm

I think anything an individual does that raises much needed funds for charity is a fantastic thing, so the whole selfie campaign is brilliant, but, I hate seeing this nominate element creeping into the campaign. It's the equivalent of moral high horsery and guilt tripping someone into giving, where they normally wouldn't, or in a lot of cases couldn't afford to give to charity. Before anyone thinks "couldn't afford to give €4 to charity?", there's quite an exhaustive list of them on the Revenue website that are all EQUALLY deserving of the €4, if you're philanthropically inclined -


Resident Charities authorised @ 19th January 2014 under the Scheme of Tax Relief for Donations to eligible Charities and other Approved Bodies under the terms of Section 848A Taxes Consolidation Act, 1997


The selfies campaign, the Irish Cancer Society, and Cancer Research UK have both made it quite clear that they didn't start it, and they too are treating the phenomenon with an arms length distance -

The #NoMakeUpSelfie craze has grown organically as a viral movement and is not directly related to the Irish Cancer Society.

Source: Irish Cancer Society

The trend isn’t something Cancer Research UK started so it’s been fantastic to see so many people getting involved and wanting to use their selfie to raise money for our life-saving research.

Source: Independent.co.uk


Why? Because like most of these social media phenomena, there will be a lot of people will actually be turned off the idea of giving to charity, because they'll feel they're being pressured into doing so, and if you're only giving because you feel forced to do so, then that's not charity if the person is donating begrudgingly or doing so to be validated by their peers.

For that reason, I'm not comfortable with social media campaigns, and even less so when it comes to making people feel like less of a person if they don't donate. Thankfully I myself don't suffer from such guilt trips, but my wife does, and horribly so, so when she was nominated for one of these selfie efforts last night, she doesn't 'do' selfies, but it made her feel horrible that if she didn't show on her Facebook a selfie and a donation, that people would think less of her. My wife is 38 for Christ sake.

That's why I find this so particularly annoying. I suggested that if it's for breast cancer awareness sure stick up a picture of your breasts then. Because that'll be the next progression. Someone's bound to push the boundaries in the name of 'creating awareness' (already the #cockinasock campaign to 'raise awareness' of testicular cancer is trending on social media), and I was only joking about my wife putting up a picture of her breasts.


I'm also surprised that 30 odd pages in, there's been no mention of the details for people to donate if they actually WANT to donate, not just because they feel they have to -

For anyone interested in making a donation, you can CallSave 1850 60 60 60, donate online here or text Pink to 50300 to donate €4 now.

Source: Irish Cancer Society


I went for a colonoscopy procedure last year for something completely unrelated, and the doctors found and biopsied a lump that later turned out they'd identified bowel cancer in the early stage and caught it in time. They told me come back in five years. Tbh I'm hoping I'll have forgotten about it by then as a couple of years back I'd a mate died of bowel cancer and my best mate's wife died of lung cancer a few years before that. The transformation from a stunning looking woman to a mere shell of a barely identifiable human being, those no make up selfies just don't do it justice, so while I find only one positive thing about them, I find that one positive is outweighed by so many negatives.

Whether that's a good or a bad thing of course depends on your perspective, but I for one hope the trend doesn't extend to bowel cancer awareness where people start posting up pictures of their bare arses, or 'belfies' as they're more commonly known.

Soft Falling Rain

Over half a million, that is ****ing impressive.

It really is great to see, just when you thought people were becoming weary of charity.

Pumpkinseeds

I find it a bit silly really. I know it's raising money for cancer charities. The thing is it implies that all women are so insecure that we need to wear make up and that by posting a photo of themselves they are somehow 'doing something brave' for charity. Most women I know, including myself, don't feel the need to cake ourselves in makeup before we leave the house.

On an average day I don't wear any makeup at all. So I don't see what all the fuss is about

clairek6

up on €550,00 now, silly craze or not cant argue with those figures

moonshadow

Can't argue, it's hands in pockets to donate and feelgood factor also . Well done to all involved, major major achievement for the charity involved.

Lollipop95

I fully support the no makeup selfie, I and others have donated because of it (I wouldn't have even know the number for donating if it hadn't been for this!) however I was nominated but am not doing it. It's not because I don't support it(I 100% do because it's proven to raise awareness!) it's just I really don't feel comfortable without makeup on at all and as much as I would like to step outside my comfort zone posting a selfie with me not wearing makeup would make me feel very uneasy. I hope people don't think badly of me or think I'm vain saying this but I just wouldn't feel comfortable people on my friends list seeing me without makeup! I'm not shallow, honest! :P and honestly fair play to the girls that have done it(they also posted a screenshot of the donating msg / majority of them so most likely everyone I know has also donated along with the selfie )

Obliq

Lollipop95 wrote: »

I fully support the no makeup selfie, I and others have donated because of it (I wouldn't have even know the number for donating if it hadn't been for this!) however I was nominated but am not doing it. It's not because I don't support it(I 100% do because it's proven to raise awareness!) it's just I really don't feel comfortable without makeup on at all and as much as I would like to step outside my comfort zone posting a selfie with me not wearing makeup would make me feel very uneasy. I hope people don't think badly of me or think I'm vain saying this but I just wouldn't feel comfortable people on my friends list seeing me without makeup! I'm not shallow, honest! :P and honestly fair play to the girls that have done it(they also posted a screenshot of the donating msg / majority of them so most likely everyone I know has also donated along with the selfie )

That doesn't make you shallow or vain mate, just insecure (if you don't mind me saying so). Like a lot of women, we've been taught that we're only "worth it" if we put products all over our face and hair. It's actually very unfunny how deeply ingrained it is for many of us now. Fair play for posting that.

Czarcasm

Lollipop95 wrote: »

I fully support the no makeup selfie, I and others have donated because of it (I wouldn't have even know the number for donating if it hadn't been for this!) however I was nominated but am not doing it. It's not because I don't support it(I 100% do because it's proven to raise awareness!) it's just I really don't feel comfortable without makeup on at all and as much as I would like to step outside my comfort zone posting a selfie with me not wearing makeup would make me feel very uneasy. I hope people don't think badly of me or think I'm vain saying this but I just wouldn't feel comfortable people on my friends list seeing me without makeup! I'm not shallow, honest! :P and honestly fair play to the girls that have done it(they also posted a screenshot of the donating msg / majority of them so most likely everyone I know has also donated along with the selfie )

Yeah, this for me is one of the other negatives I was thinking about but forgot to mention - the whole think has a weird whiff of 'competitiveness' from it - who looks better without makeup, who's giving more than someone else, and now it's turning into a "anything women can do, guys can do too" sort of equality contest.

Yes one single charity is benefitting from all the money raised, but the whole 'competitive' edge to it is what makes it less like giving to charity and more like simple social networking one-upmanship. Just for me anyway it feels like the whole good will element and spirit of giving is being superceded by the competitive element.

I can see a backlash coming tbh, just a matter of time, like all these other social media phenomena that turned sour.

Yellowblackbird

Obliq wrote: »

Like a lot of women, we've been taught that we're only "worth it" if we put products all over our face and hair. .

If that premis is untrue (you're only worth it if you put products...) then how could someone 'teach' you different.
It's either true or it's not.