When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

naughto

irishgeo wrote: »

is it live in castlebar yet?

Ya it is I got mine done only got a small 10mb jump in speed was hoping I'd get more.have 40 down 10up now

irishgeo

naughto wrote: »

Ya it is I got mine done only got a small 10mb jump in speed was hoping I'd get more.have 40 down 10up now

i dont appear to have got anything.:(

still 30/8 , i am out the last cabinet on the westport rd about 500m from it.

naughto

irishgeo wrote: »

i dont appear to have got anything.:(

still 30/8 , i am out the last cabinet on the westport rd about 500m from it.

You need to get on to them ring them or use the web chat on there site.it not done automatically

briany

Eircom have done something around my way but I don't know if it's attributable to vectoring. Attainable speeds on the upstream have dropped off by about 3 mbs. Not a huge deal, but enough to make you wonder if there's more slackening in service yet to come.

irishgeo

irishgeo wrote: »

i dont appear to have got anything.:(

still 30/8 , i am out the last cabinet on the westport rd about 500m from it.

you eircom or vodafone

naughto

eircom.i should be connected to the cabnet near st geralds but ah no iam connected to the fecking one at glen fort i think the name of it is.thats why only on 40/10 would be on alot more if it was the one at the school

FaganJr

naughto wrote: »

eircom.i should be connected to the cabnet near st geralds but ah no iam connected to the fecking one at glen fort i think the name of it is.thats why only on 40/10 would be on alot more if it was the one at the school

Whats your router stats, as I dont think Vectoring has been enabled yet?

naughto

FaganJr wrote: »

Whats your router stats, as I dont think Vectoring has been enabled yet?

VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 13 days: 9 hours: 14 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 10.239 Mbps 39.853 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 10.240 Mbps 39.854 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 8.9 dB 8.4 dB
Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms
Transmit Power: 8.4 dBm 12.8 dBm
Receive Power: -7.0 dBm -16.2 dBm
Actual INP: 29.0 symbols 29.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 15.5 dB 29.0 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 11.112 Mbps 42.640 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.4 59.6 N/A 19.0 50.7 77.0
Signal Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.0 57.3 N/A 27.5 50.3 N/A
SNR Margin(dB): 9.2 8.9 8.9 N/A 8.4 8.4 N/A
Transmit Power(dBm): 0.3 5.9 3.1 N/A 11.2 7.7 N/A
============================================================================

FaganJr

naughto wrote: »

VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 13 days: 9 hours: 14 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 10.239 Mbps 39.853 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 10.240 Mbps 39.854 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 8.9 dB 8.4 dB
Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms
Transmit Power: 8.4 dBm 12.8 dBm
Receive Power: -7.0 dBm -16.2 dBm
Actual INP: 29.0 symbols 29.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 15.5 dB 29.0 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 11.112 Mbps 42.640 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.4 59.6 N/A 19.0 50.7 77.0
Signal Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.0 57.3 N/A 27.5 50.3 N/A
SNR Margin(dB): 9.2 8.9 8.9 N/A 8.4 8.4 N/A
Transmit Power(dBm): 0.3 5.9 3.1 N/A 11.2 7.7 N/A
============================================================================

Shouldn't your SNR Margin have gone to 20+ for vectoring?

What was your stats previously?

naughto

the day i got it installed
============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 1 hour: 39 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 8.251 Mbps 30.795 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 8.191 Mbps 30.720 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 11.7 dB 12.4 dB
Actual Delay: 6 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: 8.3 dBm 12.8 dBm
Receive Power: -6.5 dBm -16.3 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 14.8 dB 29.1 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 13.971 Mbps 48.888 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.1 59.2 N/A 19.4 50.4 76.5
Signal Attenuation(dB): 7.4 39.3 56.2 N/A 27.6 50.0 N/A
SNR Margin(dB): 11.7 11.7 11.7 N/A 12.4 12.4 N/A
Transmit Power(dBm): 0.8 6.0 1.7 N/A 11.2 7.7 N/A
=======================================

FaganJr

naughto wrote: »

the day i got it installed

So you got a slight speed bump but your
SNR Margin went down
&
Attainable Net Data Rate went down

Very weird!

Deagol

FaganJr wrote: »

So you got a slight speed bump but your
SNR Margin went down
&
Attainable Net Data Rate went down

Very weird!

I was one of the first in my area to get efibre and I noticed that over time the net attainables have steadily gone down. I suspect that as more and more people are added to the DSLAM the noise in the cable bundle increases and impacts the neighbouring twisted pairs.

Nonoperational

That's true, but I am getting more and more convinced that eircom have enabled enhanced impulse noise protection (G.INP) on all cabinets, but not yet vectoring on a good number. Why there is a delay in doing this I'm not sure, perhaps they have realised it is causing issues with digiweb's fritzbox, or perhaps I'm talking absolute rubbish...

Deagol

Nonoperational wrote: »

That's true, but I am getting more and more convinced that eircom have enabled enhanced impulse noise protection (G.INP) on all cabinets, but not yet vectoring on a good number. Why there is a delay in doing this I'm not sure, perhaps they have realised it is causing issues with digiweb's fritzbox, or perhaps I'm talking absolute rubbish...

Something is definitely upsetting my Fritzbox 7390. It appears that only the enhanced noise protection is on on my cab, (as I'm only seeing 70mb max quoted by the Eircom line checker) but my Fritzbox has become much more unstable the last couple of weeks.

I called Eircom tech support, they said they could see a 'short and earth fault' and I'm awaiting a visit now. Be interesting to see if they find a real fault or not.

GIMickey

jimmad wrote: »

So Still no sign of vectoring on my digiweb line here in letterkenny, but out home the eircom line has been upgraded and altho only on the 50 meg package is enjoying healthy pings with INP set to 29/29 with 0 delay.

I have taken the F1000 router from home and plugged it into my digiweb line to see the line stats compared to that given by the fritz box and low and behold

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 0 hour: 2 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.477 Mbps       61.436 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.478 Mbps       61.437 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       10.0 dB           16.2 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:      - 2.4 dBm          12.4 dBm
           Receive Power:      -20.0 dBm          -8.6 dBm
              Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      29.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       17.6 dB           21.0 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     23.058 Mbps       82.628 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  4.6    23.8    34.9     N/A    12.8    30.3    46.6   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.6    22.9    33.7     N/A    16.7    30.1    46.6   
        SNR Margin(dB): 10.2    10.3     9.8     N/A    16.3    16.3    16.2   
   Transmit Power(dBm):-16.1   - 6.6   - 4.8     N/A     7.9     7.8     7.2   
============================================================================

Compared to that of my digiweb line of the following.

Max. DSLAM throughput	kbit/s	61440	20480
Min. DSLAM throughput	kbit/s	1024	1024
Attainable data rate	kbit/s	57067	14122
Current throughput	kbit/s	57530	13447
Seamless rate adaptation		off	off
 			
Latency		4 ms	8 ms
Impulse Noise Protection		28	2
G.inp		on	off
 			
Signal-to-noise ratio	dB	9	9
Bitswap		on	off
Line attenuation	dB	17	13
 			
Profile	17a		
G.Vector		off	off
 			
Carrier record		B43	B43

If I had digiwebs settings I could connect the line properly using the eircom router, but digiweb are obviously telling fibs here in order to prevent a better more costly service, or maybe im missing something?

Wow, i might have to try that my self. Jimmad our line is almost identical. I too am getting 9db both ways on my SNR.

Digiweb are a shower of bastards

jimmad

So after some messing about being told I could get faster tan 60/20 im now on a 90/20 profile synced at 85/20 very happy, its all who you get on tech support really.

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 22 hours: 40 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.477 Mbps       85.412 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.478 Mbps       85.413 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:        9.9 dB           10.6 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:      - 2.4 dBm          12.4 dBm
           Receive Power:      -20.1 dBm          -8.3 dBm
              Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      29.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       17.7 dB           20.7 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     22.843 Mbps       87.560 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  4.6    23.7    34.9     N/A    12.7    30.3    46.7   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.6    23.6    34.1     N/A    16.7    30.1    46.7   
        SNR Margin(dB):  9.2     9.8     9.9     N/A    10.3    10.2    10.2   
   Transmit Power(dBm):-16.1   - 6.5   - 4.9     N/A     8.2     7.9     6.9

airuser

Good to hear suppliers are listening.

Deagol

Finally had it confirmed today that vectoring is not turned on for my cabinet (ENS1-020)

But unable to find out when it will be :rolleyes:

Did find out though that the Fritzbox routers seem to be a problem. My one is giving SNR of 9db up / down compared to the F1000 14db / 13db.

GIMickey

I am currently on the 70/20 profile. I was able to get 65mb down and 20mb up from that profile. A few weeks ago when everyone experienced the small drop in download but G.inp turned on. My speed drop from 65mb sync to 46-47mb sync. Then jimmad posted a comment with findings he got on an eircom router so i tried this.

My fritzBox dsl Firmware 6.04

Max. DSLAM throughput kbit/s 71680 20480
Min. DSLAM throughput kbit/s 1024 1024
Attainable data rate kbit/s 47293 17635
Current throughput kbit/s 47398 16737
Seamless rate adaptation off off

Latency fast 8 ms
Impulse Noise Protection 28 2
G.inp on off

Signal-to-noise ratio dB 9 9
Bitswap on on
Line attenuation dB 21 14

Profile 17a
G.Vector off off

Carrier record B43 B43


Vodafone modem firmware B214

Line standard VDSL2
Channel type None
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 67621
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 20478
Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 71292
Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 23039
Downstream SNR (dB) 9.4
Upstream SNR (dB) 9.7
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 15
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 5.4
Downstream output power (dBmV) 14.3
Upstream output power (dBmV) 5.1
Downstream CRC 0
Upstream CRC 0
Downstream FEC 0
Upstream FEC 0



Now as you can see the fritzbox cuts off 20mb. I rand digiweb and got tech support level 2. I was told that digiweb wont be doin the speeds of up to 100mb anytime soon because the modem has issues with it. Tech support said that. Was told that digiweb will now contact fritzbox directly about this, so i have to wait about 2 weeks for an answer.

Tonight i will be getting an eircom modem to test my line, will post results later. For anyone that wants to know, im about 550m from the cabinet

So can someone please tell me why my line attenuation is different on both boxes.

Also i brought my fritzbox to my friends houses to test my box on the lines. Bought one guy from 72mb down to 56mb, then in another house it brought their line from 51mb to 35mb

ED E

Fritzbox would appear to just be total junk. If its being trounced by the Zyxels thats bad as they arent a very high bar to beat.

GIMickey

ED E wrote: »

Fritzbox would appear to just be total junk. If its being trounced by the Zyxels thats bad as they arent a very high bar to beat.

Even though fritzbox can support vectoring with their latest firmware upgrade, digiweb said that alot of problems are arising, so they aren't releasing vectoring speeds (100mb) any time soon.

ED E

http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/index.php Website says it all... :rolleyes:

GIMickey

Don't get me wrong, functionality on this box is pretty good. Only really having the problems since the newest update 6.04. On the fritzbox i was getting the same stats as the vodafone modem. This all changed a few weeks back.

SpaceTime

Surprising really as they're probably all using more or less the same chipsets.

bk

SpaceTime wrote: »

Surprising really as they're probably all using more or less the same chipsets.

I've no inside information, but despite probably using the same chipset, putting together the boards in a different reconfiguration etc. can cause interference or other issues.

GIMickey

Eircom Router Results



============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 0 hour: 8 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.477 Mbps 71.678 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.478 Mbps 71.679 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 10.0 dB 10.7 dB
Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms
Transmit Power: 5.1 dBm 14.2 dBm
Receive Power: -15.9 dBm -7.6 dBm
Actual INP: 29.0 symbols 30.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 21.1 dB 21.9 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 23.145 Mbps 75.156 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 5.4 29.3 43.4 N/A 15.2 37.1 56.1
Signal Attenuation(dB): 5.4 28.7 42.5 N/A 19.6 36.8 56.1
SNR Margin(dB): 10.9 9.9 10.1 N/A 9.8 9.9 9.8
Transmit Power(dBm):-10.8 - 1.2 3.8 N/A 11.9 8.0 6.9
============================================================================

MrGarak

On 50Mb at the moment, called Eircom today to see if 100Mb was available (I'm in Leixlip), but the guy told me my line is only capable of 40Mb :S

I asked when 100Mb would be available and he said Summer 2015. Maybe I'm speaking to the wrong person :P

Deagol

Very annoyed about the Fritzbox, I paid north of €200 for it as it had a lot of exccellent reviews.

Going to contact them and ask them to look at this as a matter of urgency, or I'll be returning it for refund. Plus of course the obligatory bad write up on review sites!

GIMickey

Yeah do. The more the merrier

Deagol

Done.