Numbers up Gerry

Balaclava1991

No

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

The police ombudsmans report (in which the author, who featured in the show, is very clear when she states that the Brit govt never confirms or denies that someone is an agent, it makes no judgment on whether or not she was an informer). This does not say that Robbie was in Long Kesh or in the IRA, in fact his only mention is that he exists. He is not named as being in the house nor mentioned besides once as being her son. However Brian Hanlys "The Lost Revolution" tells us that he was in the IRA and in Long Kesh at the time, and later joined the INLA in 1974. I'm inclined (but not 100% sure) that he was charged and maybe convicted with something rather than interned but I cant remember exactly and dont have the book with me(never lend anything)

I had the report on a disk from ages ago when I was working on something to do with this but I imagine it is online somewhere, if not if you give me your email I'll send it to you.

It was ok to shoot his mother dead then?

K-9

Busted Flat. wrote: »

If Gerry Adams were to admit to being the Chief Of Staff of the IRA, he would spend the rest of his life in court defending himself and the actions of his men.
Anyone with a bit of cop on knows what the situation is about. Get a grip.

Back to square one, not a surprise. The Green Book stands as a well rounded account of N. Irish history.

Happyman42

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

of right thinking decent people

Which 'right thinking decent people' where these?

awec

No

Just finished watching, interesting enough.

Gerry Adams will not have sat comfortably when watching that tonight.

K-9

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

It is outrageous that terrorists and murderers and scum on both sides would be praised as you have.

That is moral idiocy of the highest order.

Well British Army officers often admired IRA actions. Maybe you are right and the IRA and British officers are murderers and scum.

Tramps Like Us

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

It was ok to shoot his mother dead then?

Where have I said that?

My point is that the mother of an IRA prisoner would not be murdered, as the former PSNI ombudsman ludicrously claimed (which puts into doubt her report, I'm only citing it for the simple facts re her kids and their age) for being a "protestant from east belfast" (she was driven out of East Belfast after marrying a catholic and converting, also stated in same report) and an "outsider" to the local community.

Balaclava1991

No

Happyman42 wrote: »

Which 'right thinking decent people' where these?

Right thinking decent people who don't randomly murder innocent men women and children so to satisfy sadistic blood lust and then try to justify it in the cause of God and Ulster/Queen and Country/ Irish Freedom.

Tramps Like Us

awec wrote: »

Just finished watching, interesting enough.

Gerry Adams will not have sat comfortably when watching that tonight.

You think he would have bothered to watch it?

Balaclava1991

No

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Where have I said that?

My point is that the mother of an IRA prisoner would not be murdered, as the former PSNI ombudsman ludicrously claimed (which puts into doubt her report, I'm only citing it for the simple facts re her kids and their age) for being a "protestant from east belfast" (she was driven out of East Belfast after marrying a catholic and converting, also stated in same report) and an "outsider" to the local community.

Who cares why she was murdered?
In Northern Ireland psychopaths had a free for all to murder innocent men women and children.
These psychopaths called themselves Brits, loyalists or republicans.
All the one.
Evil scum who got off on killing.

someone hasmy first choice

D1stant wrote: »

Or will you slide away from this one too?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-iras-disappeared-return-to-haunt-adams-29721918.html

"The programme, The Disappeared, is to be broadcast tomorrow night on RTE One and on Tuesday night on BBC4 and will heap further political pressure on Adams.
In the tape recorded by Hughes, he says: "This woman was taken away and executed . . . Jean McConville. There was only one man who gave the order for that woman to be executed. That man is now the head of Sinn Fein and he went to this family's house and promised an investigation into the woman's disappearance.
"

Yeah ok, but the people who say these things about Gerry, class him as a 'traitor' but where once his friend, they say things like 'he sold us out' and 'lick arse'... And all because he went down the 'peace route'!!! Soooo how could you take what they say about him as GOSPEL... Now I don't know and I assume you don't know, so why do you start a thread titled Numbers up Gerry?....

Busted Flat.

No

This thread is taking on all the hallmarks of Fox news.

K-9

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

The police ombudsmans report (in which the author, who featured in the show, is very clear when she states that the Brit govt never confirms or denies that someone is an agent, it makes no judgment on whether or not she was an informer). This does not say that Robbie was in Long Kesh or in the IRA, in fact his only mention is that he exists. He is not named as being in the house nor mentioned besides once as being her son. However Brian Hanlys "The Lost Revolution" tells us that he was in the IRA and in Long Kesh at the time, and later joined the INLA in 1974. I'm inclined (but not 100% sure) that he was charged and maybe convicted with something rather than interned but I cant remember exactly and dont have the book with me(never lend anything)

I had the report on a disk from ages ago when I was working on something to do with this but I imagine it is online somewhere, if not if you give me your email I'll send it to you.

Ok, I've seen this line repeated often, what evidence do you have Robbie was in the IRA and then INLA?

On the ombudsman, look I know her track record, she'd an extremely tough job, maybe it'a whole lot of bull, but if people want to believe Adams, well I'll give a benefit of the doubt to the Ombudsman. Sorry if that is incongruous with some Republican beliefs. I've followed the history of the police ombudsman from Castlereagh on, despicable abuse of human rights, and that ended up in the admonishment of the British Government in the ECHR.

Funnily enough the Brits used aspersions at Republican prisoners character in 1977/78 in Castlereagh. Adams uses aspersions at Republican characters now. Shame I expected better of people who experienced British violence and abuse, bit of an innocent and naive individual I am.

Balaclava1991

No

K-9 wrote: »

Well British Army officers often admired IRA actions. Maybe you are right and the IRA and British officers are murderers and scum.

Murdering scum on all sides were calling the shots for 30 years.

Paisley, Adams, Haughey, Thatcher etc. all had blood on their hands and made careers out of stoking up division and prolonged an utterly needless conflict.

It is vomit inducing to listen to Adams try and defend himself and absolve himself of blame.

K-9

Happyman42 wrote: »

So you are telling me that you made two unrelated posts where you quoted others then went back 20 odd posts to quote me and ask me a question about something I had already clarified? Yeh...right!

I don't have a clue what you are on about. This isn't an IRA court marshal.

K-9

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Murdering scum on all sides were calling the shots for 30 years.

Paisley, Adams, Haughey, Thatcher etc. all had blood on their hands and made careers out of stoking up division and prolonged an utterly needless conflict.

It is vomit inducing to listen to Adams try and defend himself and absolve himself of blame.

Well if you consistently denounce Adams, Paisley, Haughey and Thatcher, good luck to you.

The Diabolical Monocle

Replying 'Yes' to the poll puts you in the same category as ghosthunters, ufo observers, and yeti chasers.

Simply because: All included groups have f*ck all other than a 'belief'.

In fact at least the yeti believers have some sort of cast footprint, and the ufo gobshytes have a picture of a fray-bentos pie tin being thrown.

Thats at least something.

Tramps Like Us

K-9 wrote: »

Ok, I've seen this line repeated often, what evidence do you have Robbie was in the IRA and then INLA?

On the ombudsman, look I know her track record, she'd an extremely tough job, maybe it'a whole lot of bull, but if people want to believe Adams, well I'll give a benefit of the doubt to the Ombudsman. Sorry if that is incongruous with some Republican beliefs. I've followed the history of the police ombudsman from Castlereagh on, despicable abuse of human rights, and that ended up in the admonishment of the British Government in the ECHR.

Funnily enough the Brits used aspersions at Republican prisoners character in 1977/78 in Castlereagh. Adams uses aspersions at Republican characters now. Shame I expected better of people who experienced British violence and abuse, bit of an innocent and naive individual I am.

I just told you... I know its true and it is stated in Brian Hanleys book "The Lost Revolution". Which is excellently researched. What more do you want from me?

There aren't exactly lists of prisoners readily available and I can't prove to you that I've been told this by irps and former prisoners. I can point to Hanleys book which is scholarly and well researched.

You faith in the PSNI/RUC ombudsman is misplaced. Even the HET has been discredited in court as being too kind to brit soldiers.

K-9

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

You faith in the PSNI/RUC ombudsman is misplaced. Even the HET has been discredited in court as being too kind to brit soldiers.

I never said I'd faith in the Ombudsman as a whole, just quoted Castlereagh and the similar equivalent of the ombudsman at the time, 35 years ago which ended up in ECHR admonishment of the British. If you are looking for absolute and consistent truths, well N.I. isn't the place to look for it!

There aren't many bodies identifiable as anyway independent in N.I., the police ombudsman is about as good as you'll get.

K-9

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

I just told you... I know its true and it is stated in Brian Hanleys book "The Lost Revolution". Which is excellently researched. What more do you want from me?

Excellently researched books don't count much when it comes to McGuinnes or Adam involvement in the IRA when it doesn't suit.

I've no problem counting your book as a source, but only if you are consistent and accept many a respected N.I. journalist state Adams was a IRA senior/strategist, as was McGuinness.

Nodin

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Not Boston College, Mackers and Moloneys money-spinner?

Maybe it was, but I have it in me head it was another place....I could be entirely wrong...normally I'd keep a link.....I'm old, old and grey......

Nodin

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

.....
Only a psychopath could either commit or condone the PIRA's campaign of mass murder.

Hai.

fasttalkerchat

No

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Where have I said that?

My point is that the mother of an IRA prisoner would not be murdered, as the former PSNI ombudsman ludicrously claimed (which puts into doubt her report, I'm only citing it for the simple facts re her kids and their age) for being a "protestant from east belfast" (she was driven out of East Belfast after marrying a catholic and converting, also stated in same report) and an "outsider" to the local community.

I think every republican thinks she deserved to die under the rules of the time. The issue is, did she deserve to be disappeared. Most republicans think no one reserved that. But hindsight is a great thing.

fasttalkerchat

No

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Replying 'Yes' to the poll puts you in the same category as ghosthunters, ufo observers, and yeti chasers.

Simply because: All included groups have f*ck all other than a 'belief'.

In fact at least the yeti believers have some sort of cast footprint, and the ufo gobshytes have a picture of a fray-bentos pie tin being thrown.

Thats at least something.

I voted yes because every republican would have know what was coming to her. This was days after being found with a british army radio.

michael999999

Just reported on morning Ireland that Gerry Adams has been arrested in connection with the disappearance of Jean mc Conville.

michael999999

Or at least that is what I would have expected to hear with the so called compelling evidence supposedly broken in that programme last night.

NTC

michael999999 wrote: »

Just reported on morning Ireland that Gerry Adams has been arrested in connection with the disappearance of Jean mc Conville.

It there any other reports of that? I can't find any.

Sunnyisland

No

NTC wrote: »

It there any other reports of that? I can't find any.

He is being sacastic as in there was no new evidence shown on tv last night.

bumper234

No

[-0-] wrote: »

If this happened to my mother, I would lose more sleep over her being a tout than being dragged out of the house in front of my eyes.

Lol you are a proper stone cold hard man :rolleyes:

Painted Pony

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Replying 'Yes' to the poll puts you in the same category as ghosthunters, ufo observers, and yeti chasers.
Simply because: All included groups have f*ck all other than a 'belief'.

I think you could make your list a bit longer. Many “believe” that there was collusion between British forces and loyalists paramilitaries during the troubles. More “believe” there was a shoot to kill policy and even more still “believe” that the British were involved in the Dublin / Monaghan bombings.

Presumably you would liken all of these people to ghosthunters? Because the evidence presented for all of these has more or less the same credibility as that presented suggesting Adams was in the PIRA.

(And for those, if there are genuinely any, who believe Adams was never a soldier, do you not think it a far more pertinent question to ask, why not?)

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I think every republican thinks she deserved to die under the rules of the time.

Would you say the same about Rosemary Nelson and Pat Finucane?

SoulAuctioneer

No

Let us imagine that most of the disappeared were killed because they were informers or they were believed to have been aiding the enemy in a time of war. The PIRA had an internal security unit known as the 'Nutting Squad' which lifted suspects and took them away for lengthy debriefing and interrogation. If you then consider that this internal security unit was run by a very high level british agent from 1978, well the whole picture gets a bit darker.

It's my personal belief that Adams knew about the disappeared, probably had to give the final order given he was the leader of the PIRA at that time. It isn't hard to believe that the information provided by the ISU formed some of Adams' decisions with regards these cases.

How many of the disappeared were framed by the British agent led Nutting Squad to protect real informers within the movement? Adams may bear a lot of responsibility but the British State are implicated heavily here too.